I did not vote for Obama, however Obama won, an is now our President, and as our President I want him to do well....

Question:
Now that Obama is President, would like to know if you voted for him, and seen what he is doing as of now, would you change your vote if you could?

Choices:
I did not vote for him
I did vote for him and like what he's doing
I did vote for him, and now would change my vote

 

I think the choices in your poll question are a little flawed.

I think it's possible to say "I voted for him and, so far, am not absolutely crazy about the way things are going, but that doesn't mean I would go back and change my vote to McCain". So there is a middle ground between the choices you're giving.

This is how I see it: It's been 6 months! Some people are already up in arms screaming "I told you so" like a 5 year old, when this administration is 6 months (out of 4 years) into cleaning up the worst, most far reaching mess *any* president has left behind *ever*. I believe I remember Obama saying, with regard to the economy, "It's gonna get worse before it gets better", and apparently, he was right.

For those who are under the bizarre impression that the downturn in the economy started with Obama in office, you're not even close. It takes quite a while to get into a recession and quite a while to get out. And while I'm not utterly convinced that Obama has made all the right moves so far, I'm FAR from thinking he's blown it. It could very well take his entire (1st) term to reverse the financial and reputation-related damage Bush left behind. I don't expect a miracle turn around in 6 months for a problem that festered for 8 years.

So anyway, the point of this is that the poll creator should have given a not-so-black-and-white choice somewhere in between "like what he's doing" and "would change my vote".

There's no way in HELL I would have voted for ANY ticket that had Sarah "Idiocracy" Palin on it, but that doesn't mean I see every single move Obama has made as the right one. I don't think *any* president in history had a flawless record. We just need one who, unlike the last president, doesn't have a record that is primarily made up of flaws.

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I voted for him, thought I would vote McCain early on, but didn't and I couldn't stand Palin.

I wasn't thrilled with anyone to be honest.


I like some of what he is doing, and other parts I don't. I wasn't so on board with bailouts, especially the bank ones (I know it was done already, but he was on board I would say).


Will I vote for him when he runs again? I don't know, its very early. I guess it depends on how the next 3 years turn out, and if and what a 3rd/4th option looks like. I have been a republican all my life, but I think I am done with them. I would like to be done with them and the democrats to be honest (unless they change).


My views are kind of a hybrid of things, and I am hoping a party forms that is more in line with what I like.

I like some of the GOP stuff, like I like stiff penalties for crimes, death penalty, strong military (its attributed, not to say more...), BUT I am athiest now (before I was inbetween, when I voted for Bush and before), and I am not down with the 'I am doing god's will' stuff. I find it a breach of the spirit of our country that we even have candidates do a religious debate forum. It about made me gag watching Hillary act like she was almost moses recieving the 10 comandments from god...Its so fake imo. I don't want someone that thinks they hear the voice of god making rational decisions for our country.


So I hope that something comes about, if its the same old, I don't know.

I voted for him, and like what hes doing. I think hes a great president. Hasnt taken a vacation yet either.

I did not vote for him and Im proud I didnt. This clown is sinking the country on a hourly basis.

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Originally posted by BrownsFan1988:
I voted for him, and like what hes doing. I think hes a great president. Hasnt taken a vacation yet either.

Wow you are one of the many decieved Americans aren't you. He had not taken a vacation??? Hum Have you been watching the news. His trips to Hawaii and his date with his wife. Now I am for dates with your wife, but, you can't say he never took a Vacation. And NO I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!! HE IS DESTROYING OUR FREEDOM AS WE KNOW IT!!! But what do I know, I am just a man who loves AMERICA and I hate any one who would take what our founding fathers had done, and is throwing that into Socialism, which will Lead to Communism. Dangerous my friend, Dangerous I say.

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Originally posted by ThunderHelm:

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Originally posted by BrownsFan1988:
I voted for him, and like what hes doing. I think hes a great president. Hasnt taken a vacation yet either.

Wow you are one of the many decieved Americans aren't you. He had not taken a vacation??? Hum Have you been watching the news. His trips to Hawaii and his date with his wife. Now I am for dates with your wife, but, you can't say he never took a Vacation. And NO I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!! HE IS DESTROYING OUR FREEDOM AS WE KNOW IT!!! But what do I know, I am just a man who loves AMERICA and I hate any one who would take what our founding fathers had done, and is throwing that into Socialism, which will Lead to Communism. Dangerous my friend, Dangerous I say.

Wow.
Really?
That was sarcasm?
REALLY?
Wow.

Faced with what we were left with following GW's 8 years of "Regulation Smegulation" governing spending about a quadrillion dollars in Iraq while lowering taxes and rolling back every piece of lending legislation to allow all americans to afford a home (even though many couldn't and financed at 110%)... what did you expect any president to do?
...and for our revisionist historian friends here (yes you thunderhelm) the first round of banking bailout and "nationalization" was suggested and promoted by the Bush administration.
Try to remember that Obama has only been president since January 20, 2009. The banking collapse happened in September 2008, after years of out of control military spending and "tax cuts" that caused the ballooning of the national debt and the devaluing of the US dollar versus foreign currencies.
Add to that fun the fact that all those faulty "sub prime" home loans that helped "recover" the economy after 911 turned out to be nothing more than money written on paper... like a friend who writes you an IOU that says "I owe you ONE BILLION GAGILLION DOLLARS!... and the credit industry freezes. (again, prior to the inauguration)
After credit institutions stop lending large indebted institutions and insurance lending firms stopped being able to function, jeopardizing not just the American economy, but many foreign economies that have heavily invested in American businesses because of their history of stability.
As a result of the credit crunch, not only is the housing market in the toilet, and can no one buy a car, but big blue chip companies that rely on large lending to transfer debt began to run out of funds and have to make drastic layoffs and eventually file for bankruptcy (GM, Chrysler).
Health care is a mess (I work in the industry, and can assure you it is a totally broken system ruled by insurance not doctors), and whether socialized or not, needs SOME fix... ignoring it cannot work much longer.
Education is failing... apparently No Child Left Behind really meant "if you leave ALL children behind, you don't have to feel guilty!"
We have to address the Environment and set better standards for it's protection... because we only have this one planet, and we are killing it! Well- as George Carlin once said... the earth will go on, the earth will be fine... it's US that will be gone!
AND WE STILL HAVEN'T FOUND BIN LADEN!

No president is perfect. No president is above question or reproach. It is actually our duty as citizens of a democracy to question our leaders and make sure that they are abiding by the Constitution of the United States.
But you should give them a chance to screw up before you label them "communist".
Obama is a student of Constitutional Law... taught the subject at the U of Chicago.
That by no means will make him a good president, but it means that the man knows what the Constitution says, and what it doesn't. And when he raised his right hand, placed his left on Abraham Lincoln's bible, and swore to uphold every word in our most cherished document, you should try to believe him.

And for the record-
Thunderhelm is right-
Obama has taken several vacations.
It's just that Bush was on vacation SO MUCH that by comparison it seems like Obama is always at work!

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Originally posted by in_eden:

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Originally posted by ThunderHelm:

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Originally posted by BrownsFan1988:
I voted for him, and like what hes doing. I think hes a great president. Hasnt taken a vacation yet either.

Wow you are one of the many decieved Americans aren't you. He had not taken a vacation??? Hum Have you been watching the news. His trips to Hawaii and his date with his wife. Now I am for dates with your wife, but, you can't say he never took a Vacation. And NO I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!! HE IS DESTROYING OUR FREEDOM AS WE KNOW IT!!! But what do I know, I am just a man who loves AMERICA and I hate any one who would take what our founding fathers had done, and is throwing that into Socialism, which will Lead to Communism. Dangerous my friend, Dangerous I say.

Wow.
Really?
That was sarcasm?
REALLY?
Wow.

Your accurate grasp of the facts and history only indicates that yes,"you are one of the many deceived Americans aren't you?" and yes, I'm being sarcastic about you being deceived.

I didn't vote for Obama. I voted Nader. I'm not crazy about the state of the nation. Partisanship and special interest groups have too much influence on the process.

Also, WE All BLEED RED WHITE AND BLUE!
I got a call from the NRA. They said they were calling all "Patriotic" Americans. I asked, "Wouldn't that be everyone?"
"Uh...yea."

I'm getting pretty tired of hearing the "Founding Fathers" this, "The Constitution" that "Socialism", "Socialism", "Socialism"!!!!

Can we move past bumper-sticker dialogue and solve problems.

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Originally posted by ThunderHelm:

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Originally posted by BrownsFan1988:
I voted for him, and like what hes doing. I think hes a great president. Hasnt taken a vacation yet either.

Wow you are one of the many decieved Americans aren't you. He had not taken a vacation??? Hum Have you been watching the news. His trips to Hawaii and his date with his wife. Now I am for dates with your wife, but, you can't say he never took a Vacation. And NO I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!! HE IS DESTROYING OUR FREEDOM AS WE KNOW IT!!! But what do I know, I am just a man who loves AMERICA and I hate any one who would take what our founding fathers had done, and is throwing that into Socialism, which will Lead to Communism. Dangerous my friend, Dangerous I say.

oh im sorry I didnt know that was a actual vacation, goin on a date with your wife and all? Im just so used to presidents running to there ranchs in Texas in the midst of a terrorist attacking our country, 2 wars, and national economic failure.

This country was closer to "communism or socialism" when Bush was in office. What has Obama put into law that has taken away freedoms so far? I can name one Bush did, Patriot Act. Bush invaded a country that had nothing to do with our war on Al Qaeda and had no WMD. Isnt that what a communist regime does, invade smaller, weaker nations without any real reason. Hell the Russians had more of a excuse to invade Georgia but everyone on the Republican side was ready to start WW3 over it...and Georgia was attacking them first.

Bush was more of a communist, Obama hasnt passed any laws against his countrys own people yet.


Yes I do praise obama for what he has done so far.

Hes adressing numerous issues at home, rebuilding all our friendships with foreign countrys Bush so proudly destroyed, closed Gitmo, banned torture, striving to cut ours and the Russians nuclear stock piles by 1/3, began the process of pulling us out of Iraq, we can fly over Russia with millitary weapons for the first time in forever, trying to reform healthcare, going after Bin Ladden more so then we have in years, etc. etc. etc. etc.

Hes done more in a few months then Bush did his whole 8 years in office.

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I didn't vote for him and I'm glad I didn't.....He's done great things to help our struggling economy.

So far, I like what he's doing "improving his chances to not being re-elected"

I did not vote for Obama. I voted for the other guy, and just figured he was the lesser of the two evils.

Obama wants big Government and wants to control our lives in every aspect he can possibly arrange. His agenda was made quite clear for years and most voters did not pick up on it. I see no re-election for him IMO. Hopefully we will not be completely Socialists before the next President gets elected.

Honestly Washington is so corrupt, it will take a miracle to get this country back to how our founding fathers intended it to be. They had a great plan but the Government has been in the process of shredding the Constitution for years.

Voted, he's doing good job at fixing Bush's mess.

Apparently people expect him to work miracles as soon as he gets into office. Bush was in 8 years and Obama is suppose to play clean up and be done in a few mere months? Ha, don't make me laugh. The guys doing the best he can which is far better than what any Republican could ever offer us.

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closed Gitmo,

Still open!

trying to reform healthcare

Not even close!

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Originally posted by ThunderHelm:

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Originally posted by BrownsFan1988:
I voted for him, and like what hes doing. I think hes a great president. Hasnt taken a vacation yet either.

Wow you are one of the many decieved Americans aren't you. He had not taken a vacation??? Hum Have you been watching the news. His trips to Hawaii and his date with his wife. Now I am for dates with your wife, but, you can't say he never took a Vacation. And NO I DID NOT VOTE FOR HIM!!! HE IS DESTROYING OUR FREEDOM AS WE KNOW IT!!! But what do I know, I am just a man who loves AMERICA and I hate any one who would take what our founding fathers had done, and is throwing that into Socialism, which will Lead to Communism. Dangerous my friend, Dangerous I say.

Please. do tell which freedoms have been destroyed?

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Originally posted by SuperBrown:
I did not vote for him and Im proud I didnt. This clown is sinking the country on a hourly basis.

Can you cite some examples of this supposed sinking of America?

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Originally posted by gabedawg:

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closed Gitmo,

Still open!

Notice you never hear or read about that place anymore?

Anybody that voted for this man should have their brain examined he is going to completely destroy this country and what it stands for.

Your freedoms will be gone by the end of his term. Government will run everything. Most importantly it will play a major role in our health care, and not in a good way.

I have never witnessed a president who just literally prints money and says we are out of debt.

Take some time to read the outline of his proposed health care plan it involves the government having direct electronic access to your bank accounts.

By the way who do you think is going to pay for all this money that he has printed, who is going to pay for all this fantastic health care that the unemployed will have? If you don't know just keep a close eye on your paycheck.

Socialized medicine has not worked in France or Canada for decades so why would it work here, it won't.

To say the least it is a very scary time to be an American. The day they say they will have direct access to my bank account is the day that I withdraw every penny.

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Originally posted by BrownsFan1988:
I voted for him, and like what hes doing. I think hes a great president. Hasnt taken a vacation yet either.

Your a funny dude, I guess all those talk shows he has been on is ok?

Give me a break he is quickly destroying this country.

I to could go borrow 10,000 and put in my account and tell everyone, see look I am not broke. Guess what IT HAS TO BE PAID BACK. Who do you think is paying this money back.

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Please. do tell which freedoms have been destroyed?

You are kidding right, pay attention to what this guy is doing. He is trying to make it so government runs everything. Within the first couple of months the government now owns banks and major car manufactures, next stop is the health care.

Health Care needs to be reformed but doesn't need to be run by the government.

He has done more spending than any other president in such a short time.

Again, read through the outline of his proposed health care plan it does involve the government having direct access to your bank accounts.

What freedoms you ask, well the choice of end of life is one, I would say thats a pretty big one at that.

In his new health care plan the government will be allowed to determine when you stop getting treatment and they just let you die.

How would you like it if it were your mother or someone very close to you that was laying in the hospital and fighting for their life and the doctor comes in and says sorry the government says your done.

This guy is a joke and I pray every single day that he does not get re-elected.

Oh, the goverment will tell you when you don't get care anymore ehh?? What...kind of like the insurance companies already do? Please.

The insurance companies tell you what you can and cant have done now.

I am not even for the last health bill, and I know that scare tactic is full of bull.

Their is always limits, do you think if grandma would live a little longer in orbit, that your insurance company is going to fly her to the space station? Get real and start a crusade against the people that ALREADY are doing what you fear Obama will do in the FUTURE.

Cnn reports that just one week after winning the Nobel peace prize, President Barack Obama watched 2 qtrs of college football on Saturday and was awarded the Heisman Trophy.

For everyone that says socialism is bad and that the founding fathers would want freedom for us, you need to educate yourself. Socialism is government controlled by the working class. As American citizens we are in the top 5 countries that pay the highest taxes in the world. With socialism we would at least have guaranteed health care, guaranteed education (higher learning, college, trade schools, etc) no more banks run by greed hungry monsters. You call Obama a socialist but if he was a Socialist he would have actually changed something by now, Obama is not a socialist, he is an opportunist just like nader and the other "third" parties that represent nothing but a way to get votes for ideas like "hope" and "change" Also the founding fathers of this country were some of the wealthiest men in this country. When the constitution was being written the forum they held was open to wealthy land owners and entrepeuner. In fact, in order to be a part of the forum you needed to take up to 4-6 months off and spend every waking moment to be an "theorist" or "contributor" to the writing of our declaration of independence. Tell me, how does the honest working man at that time have any way to do this??? Educate yourselves and see that Socialism and Communism, while being separated by a very thin line, are two complete different forms of government. Obama is nothing more than an oppurtunist. I agree with none of his policies nor mccains. Socialized health care hasnt worked in France??? Please not only have I visited France but it is working better than any health care I have ever seen. Their will always be people who abuse the system, but those bad apples are in every form of society. Social Democracy for the US is the only way we will ever survive as a nation.

Please read some books and dont believe everything that these "freedom fighters" limbaugh and beck tell you, they are just as bad, if not worse than republicans and democrats.

On a side note, Mangini and Lerner must go. They are not for the city of Cleveland and do not care what the voice of the people have to say. This is our city and we have the right to voice our opinions whether or not we agree with one another.

GO BROWNS!!

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by SuperBrown:
I did not vote for him and Im proud I didnt. This clown is sinking the country on a hourly basis.

Can you cite some examples of this supposed sinking of America?

Everything he and his socialist/communist "thug" crowd are trying to implement.

screw obama and socialism give me my money back im not payin 4 everyone elses problems i have enough of my own that I WILL TAKE CARE OF MYSELF BROWNS better than obama, thats sad

why don't you have this option?


I did not vote for him, and now would change my vote.

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Originally posted by TheDAWG:
why don't you have this option?


I did not vote for him, and now would change my vote.

that would make it more of an unbiased poll. a quick intro to stats 100 as a sticky topic would make this forum exponentially better

Ignorance is what got Obama elected...young people that don't know the difference between the Dems or Reps, conservatism or liberalism, or the issues...people who thought seeing a young black man as president rather than another old white guy would be "cool".

Stupid people who blamed Bush for the economy, job losses etc. when they can't see past their own noses got Obama elected...in other words, they see the conditions right in front of them, and make judgements with no understanding of the complexities of economics, business, government and law.

Hollywood, and celebrities who because of their celebrity status all of a sudden are experts on the environment and foreign affairs elected Obama. They use their celebrity status to promote their liberal agenda and the American morons bought into it.

The news media got Obama elected, a mouthpiece for the Democratic party, that tried so hard to dig up trash to tear Palin and McCain down. Could you imagine how relentless the news media would be if a Republican uttered what Joe Biden said..."It's good we have a clean , articulate black man running for president", or if a Republican atttended a church that preached hatred and racism for 20 years? The news media was soft on those two bums and gave them a pass. You must be born an American citizen to run for president, and it's troubling to me Obama birth certificate has never surfaced.

Many years ago, during the cold war, then communist Russian president Kruschev proclaimed the United States will turn into a socialist state without the USSR firing a single shot. Damn if it isn't happening now...as in communist countries, government control of the auto industry, healthcare, housing, laws and regulations imposed on businesses and virtually every aspect of our lives. As in communism, the libs want "God" to be taken out of the pledge of allegiance and in city halls, schools and other public places.

A government run news agency which for all intents and purposes is what the US media is for the Democratic party. As we speak, the govt. is trying to silence the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

Our liberal minded teachers who don't teach by what basis our country was founded.
The current situation is not what our founding fathers envisioned for this country. They saw the role of the central government being minor, unlike in England where the government controlled the country and what the King said was final. Thats why each state has it's own goverment/ruling body, governor, national guard and laws. We are seperate states that are united.
Our founding fathers despised "democracy" and voted for a "representative" form of government, meaning decisions are to be made by those to whom we elect. We say we are a democracy but nowhere in the constition does it make that claim, rather we are a republican form of government...."and to the REPUBLIC (not the Democracy) for which it stands, one nation under God...."

Democracy...If you don't have it, just vote for it.

Read this very carefully folks:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a loss of fiscal responsibility, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence:

From bondage to spiritual faith,
From spiritual faith to great courage,
From courage to liberty,
From liberty to abundance,
From abundance to selfishness,
From selfishness to complacency,
From complacency to apathy,
From apathy to dependency,
From dependency back again to bondage."

Oh how very true. This was written by Alexander Tytler in 1776!!!!