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Ok, im just wondering what peoples personal thoughts were about the Apollo missions and if they think we really went or not. I dont want this to turn into a bashing of peoples opinions or name calling so try and keep it clean and respect others opinions.
Theres of course the story that we went to the moon, but we havent been there since the early 70s at the height of the Cold War. Theres overwhelming evidence indicating that we did not go to the moon. Photos and videos takin from "the moon" show the U.S flag waving in a breeze (theres no wind on the moon). Theres multiple shadows being cast in multiple directions as if there was another light source in the area besides the sun (the astronaughts had no lights). The cameras mounted on the chest of the astronaughts were clumsy and hard to keep still but yet all the photos are perfect resolution and high quality. The cameras all had cross hairs in the photos to center the pictures (so everything should have a cross hair ontop of it) but in numerous photos the cross hairs are partially covered by other objects (astronaught, equipment etc) as if it was photoshopped into the picture. If you speed the recorded film up by x2 speed everything seems to be moving at a normal earth like pace. Most scientist not from Nasa say it would of been impossible to go to the moon at that time due to the massive amounts of radiation you would have to pass through to get there which would kill you or at the very least give you cancer. Theres about 30 other things that dont make sense about the moon landing. There is a few videos released from NASA where they say they were so and so on the moon and in the very next video they claim they are 2 miles away from the previous film but yet everything in the background is exactly the same, where thye filmed, the landscape and even the rocks on the ground are in the same spots. There was also no crators in any of the footage or pictures taken. In the last few days theres been specials on TV talking about the conspiracy theories so it made me wonder what people on the board thought. |
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MHO, I don't know the number, but being conservative about 30 American men have cicled the moon, almost all had Masters or Doctorate degrees in hard college stuff, like Astronomical Engineering or Aeronotical Engineering or Business Administration..all were experts, leaders in their life time professions AND the folks making this show....or doubt we've been on the moon or been around it...they are calling these guys AND the thousands of space workers at Cape Kennedy LIARS...some people will do anything for a buck....nuff said in my book...GO Browns!!!!
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Me personally I hope we did go to the moon. I hope we were not deceived or played for fools by NASA and the Goverment. Supposely in the near future Japan will be launching a super high resolution camera that will orbit around the moon and take pictures of the landing sites from the Apollo missions. If theres no flag and no Equipment, then we never went. We left alot of the equipment on the moon so everything should still be there.
After watching what I watched last night though I have a hard time believing that we did. I wanna believe we went but part of me argues we didnt. Honestly though it wouldnt take thousands to make a true conspiracy, all you need is a rocket launched into space, a few people to claim to be the operators and a inside job to make a neat little stage. I still have to disagree with what was said about the flag, I seen a video and the guy was standing there and the flag was waving freely by itself for the length of what the film was (at least 20 seconds). I dunno I watched that special and I dont know what to believe now, just gonna have to wait and see what those Japanese photos show. |
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EVERYTHING was Cold War driven - we HAD to beat the Russians and did! Our system worked, with some disasters and near disasters. No need to do anything else on the moon - we got our rocks and left our trash.
Kind of like those that say the Holocaust didn't happen - rubbish! They BOTH happened. And dissenters are saying no space shuttle or space station? Get a life. Man is destined to push and explore - we're wired that way. Like politics - there has to be a rebuttal. http://www.def-logic.com/articles/lunarlanding.html |
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Abso-positively-beyond-any-doubt YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I've been watching this thread hoping that you would contribute Hairdog. After reading all of your other posts on science, I would love to read anything you have to offer. _______________________ When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826). |
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First, I believe we went to the moon.
I heard someone once say, "The greatest conspiracy is, there is no conspiracy." I just find it hard to beleive that no one talked in the 40 years since we went to the moon. Also, couldn't you just look threw a really powerful telescope and see the traces. I mean the Sea of Tranquility and the Ocean of Storms (the 2nd landing site) are on this side of the moon. P.S. But didn't the first flag get knocked over when the Eagle took off. I had heard that they set it up to close to the Eagle. "The world's smartest man poses no more threat to me than does its smartest termite." Dr. Manhattan |
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No idea, even if that was the case though you should still be able to see the equipment they left behind? There were people talkin about this stuff that made stuff or worked for NASA sayin it was infact a hoax. The guy that invented the camera was on the special saying that there was NO WAY those cameras could of took perfect pictures. There was a few other people talkin to that were in some way apart of the operation sayin it has to be a hoax. Im sure they will air a rerun somtime soon, I think it was on the Discovery or History channel? |
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Did you read Squall's link 88?
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html _______________________ When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826). |
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I think I saw the show you are talking about, it's called "Conspiracy Moon," and I think it was on like Discovery or something. It had some interesting theories on the fake landing. I like watching stuff like that, even though I don't agree with it. Through my work, I talk to people that have different theories all the time. I understand where you are coming from. What's the old saying, "The bigger the lie, the easier it is to tell." One of the things they always say is the lighting thing. I know something about lighting, and I think NASA would have hired someone who knows more about it than me. I mean if you are going to try and fool the world, you wouldn't leave something as easy as lighting to chance. I guess my problem is, it seems to big to be fake. But that's just me. "The world's smartest man poses no more threat to me than does its smartest termite." Dr. Manhattan |
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Thanks fishtheice... Where do I begin? First off, this ain't really a discussion on Science... it's ackcherly a discussion on Engineerin' and mechanics. The Science is baby work.
Now we is done with the Science. I'll get back to the Engineerin' in a moment, howsumever, I need to ast a question of BrownsFan1988 first:
See the equipment with what? Sum Earthbound telyscope? Do a little Math. Zackly how BIG is the equipment and what power of magnification would the Earth Bound telyscope require to be able to focus in on sum piece of the teensy tiny equipment? They ain't no Earthbound telyscope powerful enuff to do the trick... yet. How b'out'n sum scans a-from the Hubble telyscope? Of course, if'n one denies we went to the Moon, how could the same feller b'lieve they ackcherly is a Hubble telyscope floatin' itseff out in space? Mebbe we cain convince NASA to point Hubble a-toward the Moon so's they cain take sum pitchers of the stuff they left behind there. Doan never mind Hubble is s'posed to look into DEEP SPACE an' is calibrated to see bajillions of light years away as opposed to bein' calibrated to look a mere quarter million miles away. If'n Hubble tried to look at the Moon, ever'thin' would be out'n focus... the whole Moon as well as all the stuff up there would look like a smudge. How bout sumthin' like the satellites that take all the clear pitchers of Earth that y'all cain look up on Google Earth. Y'all cain see the junk folks leave in they's back yards on Google Earth... why cain't we jest send sum satellites up to do a Google Moon so's we cain look at the junk NASA left in the Sea of Tranquility? Oh that's right. I forgot mahseff. It was all a hoax that we went to the Moon so, it must be all that more impossibler that we could ever send up a gaggle of Google Moon Satellites to orbit the Moon. They is mention of a Japanese satellite gonna orbit the Moon to take pitchers. Good! Howsumever, we is back to square ONE. If'n the US visit to the Moon was a hoax, why won't the Japanese visit be a hoax, too? BTW: Does any of the Hoaxers b'lieve the pitchers they see on Google Earth? Or is them pitchers all jest a hoax too? Sorry fer the interruption, fishtheice. Now, you may recall last year when DaBrownsRPhat (DBRP) wanted me to build him sum pyrymids after I built Stonehenge fer him (all by mahseff)... an' I still owe DBRP sum pyrymids... So, afore I cain transport us to the Moon an' back safely, it's gonna take a few more posts than this one to do it. To be continued...  This message has been edited. Last edited by: Hairdog, |
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I think creating a hoax and keeping it secret would be more difficult than just going to the moon.
Maybe less expensive, but definitely more difficult. I remember watching at my friends house. During the coverage they went to a commercial for Folger's freeze dried coffee and there was a close-up of the coffee. His grandmother shouted, "Oh look! There's the moon rocks!" So maybe it wouldn't be so hard to fake it after all. |
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We left a reflector on the moon, and we bounce lasers off the mirror to calculate the rate at which the moon is slowly pulling away from the earth.
There are people who believe that there were no dinosaurs and that the earth is only 6,000 years old. And anyone with more than a highschool education should know that there WERE dinosaurs and the earth is closer to 4,500,000,000 years old. We went to the moon. |
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Here's what WOULD be hard to fake: To set one's butt down acrosst the inland waterway miles away a-from Cape Canaveral and FEEL the power of liftoff. To be in Orlando watchin' the liftoff on TV an', even though the cameras is pointin' straight up into the sky at Cape Canaveral, howsumever, the rocket exhaust hasn't even crested the trees in Orlando yet... then, lo an' behold, they it is! To watch the rocket exhaust disappear into the sky. The Ninety plus percent of the solution to the problem is clearly available fer human experience at Cape Canaveral an' then sum folks think NASA's gotta fake the remainin' three or four per-cent... Okee dokeee... |
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Many times, mah friend. Many times. |
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Sorry BrownsFan1988. I jest cain't let this ignernce go by unmolested...
Fer another feller's take on it, here is an interestin' site: Yankee 'splanations of why the Hoaxers is daid WRONG!!! This message has been edited. Last edited by: Hairdog, |
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lol i got a laugh when you finished it of with "we went to the moon". It's hard to believe anything journalists have to say on their "research" on matters like this. .....especially when all they do is google "moon conspiracy" to get their story. I have yet to know anyone w/ a strong background in engineering/physics to back this conspiracy.  |
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Am I the only person who watches Mythbusters? They totally proved that we went to the moon. Brownsfan1988 it definitely seems you want to believe this for some reason....
I found some clips on youtube. Mythbusters Moon Landing photo hoax pt1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0 Mythbusters Moon Landing photo hoax pt2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtWMz51eL0Y Mythbusters Moonwalk hoax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE4w2MIYhC4 Mythbusters Moon Footprint Hoax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5taIxlNA_Lw Mythbusters Moon flag waving hoax http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMBCfuKs9i8 *Edit* One more http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmVxSFnjYCA  |
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LBJVirus. I watched them MythBusters, too, whenever they had they's program about whether it was a Hoax or not. Sadly, they will STILL be folks what will say, "Yeah, but..." You an' the Mythbusters cain PROVE the Hoaxers WRONG on ever' one of they's points... but that'll jest make 'em more stubborn to cling to they's nonesense. If'n they's brains worked to begin with, they woolda never thought it was sum hoax. JMIgnertO BTW all y'all: WE WENT TO THE MOON. |
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wow!
this thread was dead the last time i was on here then it blew up in 1 day. Im not saying I believe we didnt go. Im simply saying that I found what they were saying interesting. I like theorys/Conspiracys and was simply askin what others thoughts were after watching the special. I dont watch mythbusters (am I the only one or somthing?). I tried to read hairdogs post, but I gave up, lol. I wanted a discussion not people to throw insults at eachother sayin "if there brains worked" blah blah blah. Dont need insults in here, just maturity. Remember these are NOT my opinions/theorys they are what they were on the show I watched, I simply posted what I remembered from the show, to see what you all thought. I tried to be in the middle of this discussion, by saying what the conspiracy theorist thoughts were. Taught ye could undastand da furst line ins my post yall.  |
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"As part of a shameless and rather obvious publicity stunt, filmaker & fledgling stalker Bart Sibrel (37) ambushed the unsuspecting lunar pioneer and publicly defamed him in front of a film crew, thrusting a bible in his face and demanding that he swear on it that he really did walk on the moon. The 72-year old's measured response to this harrassment?"
This is what Buzz Aldrin thinks about conspiracy theorists : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdZd30FHiBo&NR=1 |
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Pshaw! He's a pacifist a-compared to this ol' Hairdog... I got me several members of mah family what worked in the NASA Moon program, plus sum fine friends that hepped make it work. Anybody who questions if'n we went to the Moon INSULTS mah family... |
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Alvin and the Chipmuncks had us fooled with speeding up those human voices to 78 rpm.  -------------- Dawg Gone (I Miss using the term ManKok) |
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If'n you tape yerseff a real chipmunk to the record, jest like I did, it slows the spin down to where it sounds like the Moron Tap-an-Apple Choir is singin' |
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LMAO I just waisted mah shot of JD...that's not right Hair -------------- Dawg Gone (I Miss using the term ManKok) |
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You're doing a major disservice not only to some great men, but also to our great nation, and most importantly to all of mankind when you start to question this. I like a good conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, but let's use common sense here.
The flag waves because they're moving it at the time. In a vacuum such as space, a flag will move a lot more due to the fact there is no drag or air resistance pushing against it. Actually, the show "Mythbusters" on Discovery did a great job (that don't always) on moon myths...to me, that should prove the doubters wrong. All things considered, if you open your mind the Moon is only 238,855 miles away. That's a great distance, but not all that far when you consider the rocket capabilities they had at their disposal during that time. When you make the blanket statment of "everything looks the same in the background" which mission tape are you referring to? There were several Moon landings, some where they explored a great deal of the Moon on rovers.... wake up people. |
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If this were a privately-funded program I think the failure of technology to improve from 1969 would favor the conspirancy theory. It is difficult to explain how missions in the 80s as well as the current decade failed, yet a more difficult pioneering event was successful in 1969.
But, seeing how this is the Govt that sponsored a trans-continental railroad 150 years ago and is unable to lay 50 miles of transit rail in most cities today...it all makes sense. |
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"So, afore I cain transport us to the Moon an' back safely, it's gonna take a few more posts than this one to do it.
To be continued..." A perfect time to continue if you feel so inclined Hairdog. I know many are interested in what you have to say. _______________________ When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826). |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DON QUIXOTE:
If this were a privately-funded program I think the failure of technology to improve from 1969 would favor the conspirancy theory. It is difficult to explain how missions in the 80s as well as the current decade failed, yet a more difficult pioneering event was successful in 1969. How many have failed in the 80's? I remember only one failure and considering how many missions weve had, the success rate is pretty good. |
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Agreed. In the 80's our success rate was 'pretty good.' With the '03 crash, this decade was probably 'pretty good.' How would you rate the success of the moon missions from the 60's and 70's? Do you find the success rates indicate progression in-line with other technology over the 40 years? My Conclusion: No Accountabiliy Space Administration |
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I mean- you get that they're building rockets to launch into space, right? They're not loading up the old family truckster to run a few blocks down the road to buy groceries, Pal. Things sorts of things present challenges... |
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Hairdog, looks like you agree with my assessment of our Govt's ability to hinder technological advancement and accomplishment. (the part of my original post you chose not to quote)
As far as the other dozen paragraphs, it appears you have come up with a conspirancy theory of your own. Most folks might say NASA engineers have the authority to hault projects they deem unsafe. They will claim NASA could have appealed to Conservatives in Congress or even the Republican President serving for both accidents. Prove them wrong! Get some footage of those Seaweed Hugging Congressman holding guns to the heads of NASA engineers and you've got yourself a documentary that should go over as well as current programs about moon landings being faked. Perhaps a fancy title, such as Skyjacked will work. I suggest you leave the war on drugs, poverty and public schools out of the documentary, though. Doesn't really seem to apply to the topic. Maybe do sequels: Piejacked for poverty, Highjacked for drugs and Pijacked 3.14 for the schools. Those claims of Columbia's disaster being "as expected" should get you some of that controversial publicity. It makes it look like you are using hindsight to appear smarter than even the astronauts aboard, very nice tactic. This message has been edited. Last edited by: DON QUIXOTE, |
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Mah bad.
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All you have to do is see the movie... In the shadow of the moon. This film is fantastic, after watching this you'll have all the proof you need to exclaim "We went to the moon!"
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The mythbusters sending the laser signal to the moon where the reflector is at and it reflecting the beam back is the nail in the coffin on the whole conspiracy.
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Hairdog, you wasting time, there will always be folks who don't believe...OJ was innocent...Who killed JFK....Elvis is alive....always at least 10%.....Go Browns!!!!!
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Mayhaps yer right... Howsumever, this partiklar topic got my Scots up... an' ain't no feller gonna get theyseffs a free chance to spout sum pure ignernce 'bout'n sum Moon Shot hoax without they gonna hear a-from me 'bout'n they's ignernce. Most times I cain jest laugh off flat foolishness... Unfortunately, this jest ain't one of them times. Oh well... I'se jest gonna hafta head mahseff down to the package store to transfer sum more of mah money up to Lynchburg, TN... Sumtimes I get too mean a-when I'se sober... |
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I have questions about landing on the moon. I don't buy it personally and you can roll your eyes at me if you wish. NASA is nothing more than a mere black hole to dump money into and no one questions what it is spent on. I guess I am skeptical of anything government run. No other country has landed on it and they have had 40 years to catch up to 1969 technology. I think we are getting the shaft on our ROI (Return On Investment) by what NASA has brought to the table. How many billions of dollars did we launch off into space because the rocket scientists forgot to convert from standard to metric on that module? Oops, our bad, please continue the funding.
As far as the moon laser reflector crap, I have to laugh people buy that. I guess having experience aiming dishes at satellites a few miles up gives me a bit more insight in my view. You are talking about aiming a super high powered laser at an object 238,857 miles away that is what? A yard or two in diameter that was put there 30 some years ago? Let's take into consideration that the moon is a moving object as well as the earth, yet you are telling me you do not have to recalculate where exactly this reflector is every hour of the day let alone years down the road. Let's also not take into consideration meteorites striking the surface kicking up dust that could possibly cover said reflector not to mention 30 years of dust settling on it. I suppose the moonanite people are keeping it clean for us? I mean this would be some precise math we are talking about here. Also this super laser would be pretty powerful to hit an object that distance so I imagine the intensity would be rather high and it can just blow right past all satellites in orbit without effecting them yet solar flares from the sun can affect our satellites? Not to mention the proof is a blip on a computer graph. I just don't buy a 5 min clip of "the nail in coffin" when there are so many variables they do not explain, but then again it was on TV so it has to be true. Just like when Copperfield made the statue of liberty disappear. I don't condone stupidity and this thread is full of it. People raising questions is not nonsense, it's called thinking for yourself, something many people seem to lack the capability of. Simply quoting the defense of conspiracy theorist to anyone who questions things is like screaming "witch" during the witch trial days. But then again I am preaching to a majority of people who believe: there is an invisible man in the sky watching them, we are alone in the universe without grasping just how vast it is, we are more advanced than previous civilizations because we have Iphones, this country was founded on the basis of freedom minus the genocide of the previous occupants, etc. Hairdog, I would love to have a debate with you on this subject as you seem to be the individual with a scientific background with family ties to the project but I cannot read that gibberish grammar nor do I choose to and frankly I would have a hard time taking you seriously on a subject such as this if you cannot communicate properly. Excuse my rash non politically correct way of expressing my views but that's who I am and at least you know I'll be straight forward with you. |
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