Im started to think we didnt, someone told me the solar flares frm the sun would kill the astronauts or something along those lines. i dunno i really dont...
Originally posted by jwn: I have questions about landing on the moon. I don't buy it personally and you can roll your eyes at me if you wish. NASA is nothing more than a mere black hole to dump money into and no one questions what it is spent on. I guess I am skeptical of anything government run. No other country has landed on it and they have had 40 years to catch up to 1969 technology. I think we are getting the shaft on our ROI (Return On Investment) by what NASA has brought to the table. How many billions of dollars did we launch off into space because the rocket scientists forgot to convert from standard to metric on that module? Oops, our bad, please continue the funding.
As far as the moon laser reflector crap, I have to laugh people buy that. I guess having experience aiming dishes at satellites a few miles up gives me a bit more insight in my view. You are talking about aiming a super high powered laser at an object 238,857 miles away that is what? A yard or two in diameter that was put there 30 some years ago? Let's take into consideration that the moon is a moving object as well as the earth, yet you are telling me you do not have to recalculate where exactly this reflector is every hour of the day let alone years down the road. Let's also not take into consideration meteorites striking the surface kicking up dust that could possibly cover said reflector not to mention 30 years of dust settling on it. I suppose the moonanite people are keeping it clean for us? I mean this would be some precise math we are talking about here. Also this super laser would be pretty powerful to hit an object that distance so I imagine the intensity would be rather high and it can just blow right past all satellites in orbit without effecting them yet solar flares from the sun can affect our satellites? Not to mention the proof is a blip on a computer graph. I just don't buy a 5 min clip of "the nail in coffin" when there are so many variables they do not explain, but then again it was on TV so it has to be true. Just like when Copperfield made the statue of liberty disappear.
I don't condone stupidity and this thread is full of it. People raising questions is not nonsense, it's called thinking for yourself, something many people seem to lack the capability of. Simply quoting the defense of conspiracy theorist to anyone who questions things is like screaming "witch" during the witch trial days. But then again I am preaching to a majority of people who believe: there is an invisible man in the sky watching them, we are alone in the universe without grasping just how vast it is, we are more advanced than previous civilizations because we have Iphones, this country was founded on the basis of freedom minus the genocide of the previous occupants, etc.
Hairdog, I would love to have a debate with you on this subject as you seem to be the individual with a scientific background with family ties to the project but I cannot read that gibberish grammar nor do I choose to and frankly I would have a hard time taking you seriously on a subject such as this if you cannot communicate properly.
Excuse my rash non politically correct way of expressing my views but that's who I am and at least you know I'll be straight forward with you.
really, really good post. well worth the long read but it was really interesting to hear someones thoughts on the other side of the fence.
The reflector debate proves NOTHING. We could of easily put those reflectors there with a robot. A person didnt have to physically be there to put a reflector on the ground. How is that a "nail in the coffin?" We have sent robots to scope out Mars landscape and took soil samples so we could of easily landed somthing on the moon to drop a few light reflectors without there ever being a human there.
I find it hard to believe anything has been busted by the myth busters when they are all obviously out to prove the conspiracy theorist wrong. Same goes for all the conspiracy theorist. It seems all these theorys can be proved and disproved. I really wish the "test" were conducted by someone not on either side of the fence but rather in the middle, cus in every test they prove the consipracy theorys but then find a way to disprove it and then there all like "yeah take that conspiracy theorist!". We have really no idea what materials were being used if they were using all the actual materials they said they were and to prove the one test they actually went to NASA the same company who is supposed to be the ones covering this whole thing up so of course they would do whatever it takes to prove there theory as the theory that is true. They only did about 4 different test none of them of which answer the question about the radiation sickness, solar rays, etc. All this stuff about the flag waving to, it could of easily been a distant fan in the "studio" blowing air around, there is no way to prove it wasnt other then words.
I just dont believe everything I see or hear, especially when the people doing the "test" are already biased to anyone with a conspiracy theory on the subject.
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Posts: 1919 | Location: Somewhere near Youngstown | Registered: September 21, 2008
Originally posted by BrownsFan1988: The reflector debate proves NOTHING.
Hairdog: It proves they is a reflector on the Moon!
We could of easily put those reflectors there with a robot.
Hairdog: Amateur laser shooters have been able to bounce they's beams off'n that reflector whenever they want a-since it was planted on July 21, 1969... so's that proves the reflector was PLACED there no later'n that date!
Does yer proposition stretch itseff to claim all the amateur laser shooters in the World is in on the "hoax"?
On July 16, 1969, BILLIONS of folks watched Apollo 11 lift off a-from Cape Canaveral/Kennedy carryin' three fellers to the Moon. MILLIONS of them folks lived theyseffs on the Eastern parts of Florida an' could watch the launch with they's bare eyes... without'n no TV necessary (thereby no FAKED film).
Is yer proposition Apollo 11 carried robots... not Asternauts?
A person didnt have to physically be there to put a reflector on the ground.
Hairdog: So... with zero evidence of ANY robots in 1969... ZERO prototypes, ZERO tested versions, ZERO plans fer sum robot, ZERO descriptions in the literature of said robots...
ZERO 1969 contemporary evidence of these mecahnical wunners...
Is the proposition sumone with the ability to THINK is s'posed to favor the liklihood sum magical robot placed the laser on the Moon rather it bein' placed by the well-documented Asternauts?????
Well doggies, I'll allow I may have misinterpreted yer propositons... howsumever....
I DOAN THINK so...
Hereinafter, I may engage jwn in sum debates... howsumever, BrownsFan1988, yer jest gonna hafta to come up with some idear what ain't PURE FOOLISHNESS afore I'se gonna DEBATE yer propositions.
I'll jest remain in the BERATE yer ideas mode fer a while.
Posts: 2027 | Location: Cumming GA | Registered: September 21, 2006
Originally posted by jwn: Hairdog, I would love to have a debate with you on this subject as you seem to be the individual with a scientific background with family ties to the project but I cannot read that gibberish grammar nor do I choose to and frankly I would have a hard time taking you seriously on a subject such as this if you cannot communicate properly.
I cain ask mah friend Vern to transcribe sum of mah idears if'n necessary...
How's 'bout we debate yer concern over simple laser aimin'?
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Let's take into consideration that the moon is a moving object as well as the earth, yet you are telling me you do not have to recalculate where exactly this reflector is every hour of the day let alone years down the road.
Nope. Doan got to do NO calculations. Leastways, no more'n any Quarterback does on his sketchpad in the backfield whilst aimin' fer sum movin' wide receiver.
Nor no more'n yer average hunter does on his calculator whilst aiming his rifle at sum moseyin' deer.
The Moon doan jump around hither nor yon whilst we peek at it a-from sum spot on Earth.
The moon moves "languidly, lackadaisically" (pick yer preferred adverb) acrosst the sky, givin' even the most Mathematically-challenged laser aimer plenty of confidence he cain hit what "appears" to hisseff to be a stationary object.
Jest doan let Derek Anderson aim yer laser an' all ya'll will be jest fine.
Posts: 2027 | Location: Cumming GA | Registered: September 21, 2006
Distance to the Moon from a fixed spot on Earth: 238,897 miles
Time for a laser beam to travel from Earth to the Moon: 1.28 seconds.
Distance the Moon moves wrt the Earth in ONE second: 1017 meters. Sample Calculations available in any High School textbook and all over the internet
"Leading distance" to allow for the laser to reach the reflector = (1017 x 1.28)= 1302 meters ahead
Diameter of the Moon: 764 000 000 meters.
Margin of error due to time and distance against totally stationary objects: (1302/764000000) = 0.0000017 (0.00017%) off of dead reckoning
Conclusion:
Aim daid a-for where they say it is and lead it jest ever so... rememberin' I'se 1.28 seconds (1302 meters) ahind where it appears to be
...an' I need to lase 1.28 seconds (1302 meters ahaid...)
...fer a total of 2604 meters ahaid of where it APPEARS to be.... which is .00034 % of the size the Moon appears itseff to be.
An' ever' single minute, nor day, nor month, nor year fer the rest of mah life... if'n I aim mah laser zackly 2604 meters ahaid of where the reflector APPEARS to be, I'sa gonna hit it daid center.
Mah bad! I was wrong.
Even Derek Anderson could hit it!!!
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Posts: 2027 | Location: Cumming GA | Registered: September 21, 2006
Originally posted by Hairdog: MILLIONS of them folks lived theyseffs on the Eastern parts of Florida an' could watch the launch with they's bare eyes... without'n no TV necessary (thereby no FAKED film).
One day I witnessed a burning red ball head for the sky, and thought we had finally "pushed the button."
No inter-continental warheads were heading out that day. Instead, I found out us folks on the Gulf Coast can also get that naked-eye shot on a clear day. Quite impressive from 120 miles away.
A week later I thought someone bashed my back door with a baseball bat....sonic boom from re-entry.
Posts: 2328 | Location: Tampa | Registered: September 09, 2006
Originally posted by DON QUIXOTE: I found out us folks on the Gulf Coast can also get that naked-eye shot on a clear day. Quite impressive from 120 miles away.
An' absolutely amazin' how long after it it lifted-off afore all y'all on the Gulf could get yer first glimpse comin' over the Horizon...
due to the curvature of the Earth....
Posts: 2027 | Location: Cumming GA | Registered: September 21, 2006
I don't know much about lasers bouncing off reflectors or trick photograpy or 30 years of dust "settling" out of a virtual vacuum or any of that stuff. I do know that at the time of our claimed lunar landing, we were engaged in a "space race" with our mortal enemies in the Soviet Union who would go to almost any means to discredit, embarass and humiliate the U.S. at any opportunity. I also know that the U.S.S.R posessed the technology to track our space craft not only to the moon but beyond. They also possed the technology to very prcisely trace the origins of radio signals at even greater distances (as well as many other countries both friendly and unfriendly to the U.S.).
What I don't remember is any other country or government or creditable scientific organization with the capabilities to do these things every decrying our lunar landing as "fraud". Why is that? I guess we just snuck it in there when no one was looking and then claimed it a done deal afterwards so no one else had a chance to check it out. Sneaky old Americans tricked the whole world again.
Originally posted by TXFAN: I don't know much about lasers bouncing off reflectors or trick photograpy or 30 years of dust "settling" out of a virtual vacuum or any of that stuff. I do know that at the time of our claimed lunar landing, we were engaged in a "space race" with our mortal enemies in the Soviet Union who would go to almost any means to discredit, embarass and humiliate the U.S. at any opportunity. I also know that the U.S.S.R posessed the technology to track our space craft not only to the moon but beyond. They also possed the technology to very prcisely trace the origins of radio signals at even greater distances (as well as many other countries both friendly and unfriendly to the U.S.).
What I don't remember is any other country or government or creditable scientific organization with the capabilities to do these things every decrying our lunar landing as "fraud". Why is that? I guess we just snuck it in there when no one was looking and then claimed it a done deal afterwards so no one else had a chance to check it out. Sneaky old Americans tricked the whole world again.
yeah our country has a history of tricking people. We got those native american indians really good with those small pox blankets...
Posts: 1919 | Location: Somewhere near Youngstown | Registered: September 21, 2008
"An expert saw it on display in 2006 and told the museum it was unlikely NASA would have given away any moon rocks three months after Apollo returned to earth."
Man, talk about taking 40 years to catch on to a "April Fools Day" joke.
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Posts: 1779 | Location: Big Sky Country | Registered: September 05, 2006
I cannot believe 55, now 56 (I will call myself a dope (not you and not the others) for responding to this) people actually took their valuable time to respond to this post. I realize the conspiracy stuff is interesting and I do admit that it would be pretty cool to find out conspiracies are true, once in awhile, but DUDE (or Dudette), come on!!!!!! Refocus your energies elsewhere (as if I'm one to talk). Good to know you don't really believe the conspiracy-moon theories. For those who do, if you bend over far enough, you might actually get to visit a black hole, and live to tell the story; maybe on Discovery channel.
Originally posted by onubrownsbacker: Of course we got there
and there wasnt any body on the grassy knoll
Time out for a flag on the field. Unsportsmanlike conduct...onubrownsbacker...illegal conspiracy integration/combination/mergination/correlation.100 sentences--"Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin are my personal heroes and Badge Man does not exist." Due to the flagrant violation, you must visit the Neil Armstrong Space Museum in Wapakonetta. As an ONU follower, you shouldn't have any problem finding Wapak.
Originally posted by Hairdog: Public Schools what turn out folks who cain't even imagine we DID GOT ourseffs to the Moon... let alone be able to figger out how to do it again...
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