Chosen People

Question:
If you are an American Christian, do you believe that you are exclusively God's chosen people?

Choices:
Yes and I generally vote GOP
No and I generally vote GOP
Yes and I generally vote Dem
No and I generally vote Dem
Yes and I vote Indy
No and I vote Indy

 

I'm interested to see the results.

I'm a little confused by the question because I wasn't quite sure if you were trying to ask if only American Christians are God's people or if people of other faiths can be God's people as well.

Anyways, I believe that bible teaches that Jesus is the only way to eternal life, meaning Christians are "God's people" as you referred to. However I don't think it's limited to nationality in any way.

The term American Christian bothers me somewhat, because it seems to place a special emphasis on being American. When the reality is that being a Christian has nothing to do with nationality. Jesus died for the whole world, not just America.

Although with the large sense of Nationalistic Christianity that is prevelant today, one might get the impression that America is God's greatest gift to earth.

His poll is tied to American politics, thats why it was worded that way, no alterior motive I doubt.

He sadly took my vote away!

It would be misleading anyway. I have voted GOP since I could vote, except for last year...and I am now hoping to vote Indy, if something I can get into comes along.

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Originally posted by sundance:
one might get the impression that America is God's greatest gift to earth.

And if you live in a foreign village that is demolished by a Caterpillar so an international mining company can yank a toxic IPhone component out of your former farm land you might think Earth was God's greatest gift to man.

On the money Don....
The interpretations here are just one major reason why people around the world hate Americans.....

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Originally posted by daDieken:
Chosen People

Why is that even a question? Are you presuming that "American" Christians think they are the only Christians that will be saved?

I've heard of certain Christian denominations such as Catholics make that claim, but not American Christians vs European Christians vs South American Christians for example.

Thats silly.

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Originally posted by Woodley56:

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Originally posted by daDieken:
Chosen People

Why is that even a question? Are you presuming that "American" Christians think they are the only Christians that will be saved?

I've heard of certain Christian denominations such as Catholics make that claim, but not American Christians vs European Christians vs South American Christians for example.

Thats silly.

I assume that Christians from all over believe they are the only ones who will be saved and those that don't. For the point of this board, most of the views are from Americans dealing with Americans politics, views, etc.

Interesting results but too small to mean anything.

everybody knows the jews is gods chosen people. theyre the olive tree and all the christians what are going to be saved are grafted to the olive tree that's how we're saved through a jew named jesus.

What sundance said.

This vote make me want to pull my hair out.

I am Catholic and have never said that if you're not then you will go to hell. That by it's self is judging. The bible tells me that I am not supposed to do that. i think that there are things that we need to do in order to receive the grace of God and as long as you do those things then you will be saved through Jesus Christ. Be you American, Chinese, Canadian it makes no difference the nationality

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Originally posted by VADawg:
I am Catholic and have never said that if you're not then you will go to hell. That by it's self is judging. The bible tells me that I am not supposed to do that. i think that there are things that we need to do in order to receive the grace of God and as long as you do those things then you will be saved through Jesus Christ. Be you American, Chinese, Canadian it makes no difference the nationality

If there are "things you need to do to receive the grace of God", it is no longer grace, my friend. Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are you saved through faith, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God NOT BY WORKS so nobody can boast"

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Originally posted by soddawg:
everybody knows the jews is gods chosen people. theyre the olive tree and all the christians what are going to be saved are grafted to the olive tree that's how we're saved through a jew named jesus.

Actually Christ is the tree and Israel are the branches. The Church is grafted into the "Tree" with the natural branches.

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Originally posted by macweber:

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Originally posted by soddawg:
everybody knows the jews is gods chosen people. theyre the olive tree and all the christians what are going to be saved are grafted to the olive tree that's how we're saved through a jew named jesus.

Actually Christ is the tree and Israel are the branches. The Church is grafted into the "Tree" with the natural branches.

So is the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

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Originally posted by macweber:

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Originally posted by VADawg:
I am Catholic and have never said that if you're not then you will go to hell. That by it's self is judging. The bible tells me that I am not supposed to do that. i think that there are things that we need to do in order to receive the grace of God and as long as you do those things then you will be saved through Jesus Christ. Be you American, Chinese, Canadian it makes no difference the nationality

If there are "things you need to do to receive the grace of God", it is no longer grace, my friend. Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are you saved through faith, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God NOT BY WORKS so nobody can boast"

The bible also states that faith without works is dead (James 2:20).

It's mankind's silly idea that a god would abandon them because they chose the wrong name for the religion they followed during your life. Any 'All Powerful Diety' most likely would care less about the name you called yourself and more about your actual devotion and piety.

Man turns religion into a game show...". The correct answer was "7th Day Adventists" everyone else GOES TO HELL!!

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Originally posted by TheDAWG:

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Originally posted by macweber:

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Originally posted by soddawg:
everybody knows the jews is gods chosen people. theyre the olive tree and all the christians what are going to be saved are grafted to the olive tree that's how we're saved through a jew named jesus.

Actually Christ is the tree and Israel are the branches. The Church is grafted into the "Tree" with the natural branches.

So is the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

Don't like to be corrected, I take it?

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Originally posted by makeaplay:

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Originally posted by macweber:

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Originally posted by VADawg:
I am Catholic and have never said that if you're not then you will go to hell. That by it's self is judging. The bible tells me that I am not supposed to do that. i think that there are things that we need to do in order to receive the grace of God and as long as you do those things then you will be saved through Jesus Christ. Be you American, Chinese, Canadian it makes no difference the nationality

If there are "things you need to do to receive the grace of God", it is no longer grace, my friend. Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are you saved through faith, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God NOT BY WORKS so nobody can boast"

The bible also states that faith without works is dead (James 2:20).

It does, but context dictates the meaning. Faith without works is a dead faith, not a non existent faith, in the same way a car without a battery is "dead".

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Originally posted by Chastaen:
It's mankind's silly idea that a god would abandon them because they chose the wrong name for the religion they followed during your life. Any 'All Powerful Diety' most likely would care less about the name you called yourself and more about your actual devotion and piety.

Man turns religion into a game show...". The correct answer was "7th Day Adventists" everyone else GOES TO HELL!!

True, God doesn't care what you call yourself, but He does care that the "religion" and relationship is with Him.

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Originally posted by macweber:

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Originally posted by makeaplay:

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Originally posted by macweber:

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Originally posted by VADawg:
I am Catholic and have never said that if you're not then you will go to hell. That by it's self is judging. The bible tells me that I am not supposed to do that. i think that there are things that we need to do in order to receive the grace of God and as long as you do those things then you will be saved through Jesus Christ. Be you American, Chinese, Canadian it makes no difference the nationality

If there are "things you need to do to receive the grace of God", it is no longer grace, my friend. Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are you saved through faith, and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God NOT BY WORKS so nobody can boast"

The bible also states that faith without works is dead (James 2:20).

It does, but context dictates the meaning. Faith without works is a dead faith, not a non existent faith, in the same way a car without a battery is "dead".

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

We are of different theological understanding and that is fine. I understand it the way I do as you do the way you do. The wonderful thing is you and I can disagree on this particular part but we can say that through Jesus Christ we have been saved. God Bless you my brother in Christ.

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Originally posted by macweber:

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Originally posted by TheDAWG:

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Originally posted by macweber:

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Originally posted by soddawg:
everybody knows the jews is gods chosen people. theyre the olive tree and all the christians what are going to be saved are grafted to the olive tree that's how we're saved through a jew named jesus.

Actually Christ is the tree and Israel are the branches. The Church is grafted into the "Tree" with the natural branches.

So is the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

Don't like to be corrected, I take it?

I honestly have no idea what you are babbling about.

he is talking about esoteric interpretation of the relationship between the jews and christians(goyim). it gives them justification for any wrongs done to the other peoples of this planet. there is a lot of sick interpretation going on out there in every religion with divide and conquer being the goal of the instigators. jmho