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Michelle Obama's speech was uninspiring. It wasn't particular harmful to her husband's campaign, but it wasn't helpful either.
Of course, I listened to Karl Rove's comments and they were funny. He said the felt like he was being asked to join some knock-off of the communist party. Susan Estrich's comments were insightful as well. Even as liberal as she is, she's a likable person and I bet she'd be a fun person to have a drink with. Her viewpoint was similar to mine. She essentially said that Michelle Obama's speech wasn't very good but that it wasn't particularly bad. On a side note, I find it ridiculous the amount of McCain ads being run during it. It's hilarious! Another brilliant coup by his campaign staff. I read a little while ago that McCain had like $30 million to spend before the end of the GOP convention and his campaign has decided to spend it during the two conventions. I also hear that he may announce his VP choice when Obama is scheduled to speak at the Democratic convention on Thursday. Now, would that just be a laugher? He may intend to steal Obama's thunder with the announcement of his own VP selection during the highlight of their convention. ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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Don't really care for either selection - and to be truthful, I haven't really cared about politics since Bush was re-elected. However, that's some dirty tactics by McCain.
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I saw part of her speech and I guess I don't know what to make of it. She clearly doesn't have the experience in front of the teleprompter that her husband does, and it showed as she stumbled a few times. I contrast that with a speech I saw Hillary give University of Akron. It was before Bill had been elected the first time, so I knew nothing about her, but it was part of my assignment for speech class to witness the event and write about it. In her direct line of sight there was a blow up doll with a sign on it that said "I slept with Bill too!", and yet she hung in there and gave a very good speech. I didn't agree with a single word she had to say, but I had to give her credit for the way she delivered it. Although to be fair, Hillary was the veteran of gubernatorial elections in Arkansas, so she probably had more practice.
I also noticed that Michelle was very carefully scripted to refute the gaffs she had made earlier in the primary season. She said something to the effect of "and this is why I love my country." Which, to me, was in response to the "this is the first time I'm proud to be an American" comment. I also had the impression that the "impromptu" comments from his daughter were scripted. We had NBC on, and Brian Williams even commented on it with something like "Well anyone who has had kids around an open mic will recognize what was going on there". Maybe she was just being a precocious little kid, but it seemed to me like it was slightly rehearsed. She did yell out the questions when he was trying to talk, but they were "safe", like "Daddy what city are you in?". The experiences I've seen with little kids on a stage is that darn near anything will pop out of their precious little mouths like "Daddy, Mommy said to make sure you had your clean underwear on" or something equally embarrassing. Maybe I'm reading into it too much, because I don't even know the age of his children. My overall impression was that Michelle was trying her best to make herself out to be a "regular guy". I noticed her emphasis on that, and I also had the impression that it was in direct response to Barack's comments about "Angry people clinging to their guns" that caused him so much grief. The coverage I saw also said the cornerstone of the night's ceremonies had been a tribute to Ted Kennedy. I have to say that I've never really agreed with anything Ted has had to say, but dying of brain cancer is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I thought he looked surprisingly good, and that I've been impressed by the courage he has shown in fighting the disease. I only wonder if Mary Jo will be there at the pearly gate to greet him? ----------- "You can't handle the truth!" Colonel Nathan R. Jessop, Commanding Officer Marine Ground Forces Guantanamo Bay, Cuba |
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His VP better be Brittany Spears if he wants to steal some thunder. It could be an anti-climactic blunder if he announced and Obama still got the "convention bounce" in the polls. |
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I have to agree with you that Michelle's speech was a clear attempt to apply bandages to the wounds that her earlier comments had created. She was (and I'm sure her husband too) that those wounds were still bleeding and that something needed to be done about it. I really don't think she did enough to stop the bleeding. As for Teddy, I didn't even watch his speech but from what the talking heads said, it seems to have been well presented. As for Mary Jo Kopechne being there to greet him, I seriously doubt it. It's God's decision, but I'm not sure that he'll see the pearly gates. ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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Yeah...I know, man. I'm rich and graduated from Harvard, too.  |
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I havent watched it, but everywhere I see it mentioned, they say she did great and better than expected. The guy at work said O'Rielly on Fox even said she did great.
Like I said, I havent taken the time to watch, I am not big on convention stuff. I turned to it for like 3 minutes and turned the channel. I will watch it soon and see. So is this mainly that its her, and you just don't like her, or is it being objective? No matter how Hillary or Bill do on a speech, I hate them and would have a hard time finding nice words for them. Michelle kind of creeps me out, something about her seems odd to me. Will check it out soon. If I happen to vote for Obama, it would be more of a protest type vote against McCain, than a endorsement for Obama. I think McCain has sold his former self out, and he seems a little too enthusiastic to go to war with Iran (which may need to happen some day, but its too early imo for what hes saying). |
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That was good! |
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I would be hard pressed to say her speech was "bad". I thought for not really being a public speaker, she did a good job. I don't really have hatred for her or her husband for that matter. I tend to dislike convention speeches, because it's more like a coronation. The matter is decided, this is just the dog and pony show, in my opinion.
It's difficult to get anything substantial out her remarks, or his when he gives his speech. So, if you got the sense from my remarks that I cannot stand her, it isn't the case, it's more to do with how contrived the whole thing feels to me. On the other hand, I am no fan of Ted Kennedy. To give him the benefit of the doubt, I think he actually does want to help people on some level, I don't agree with how he wants to accomplish that though. However, the fact that I think maybe deep down he does have a desire to help, that's the absolutely nicest thing I can say about him. His behavior, as well as the government officials that were acting as his judges was despicable. For me, it reveals everything that is wrong with our country: Power, money, and celebrity trump the rule of law. I think the record is pretty clear that the actions of Ted resulted in Mary Jo's death. For me, that's enough. He should have been convicted at least of involuntary manslaughter. Well scratch that. At the very least he should have went to trial, but he received special treatment. He didn't even resign his seat in the Senate! ----------- "You can't handle the truth!" Colonel Nathan R. Jessop, Commanding Officer Marine Ground Forces Guantanamo Bay, Cuba |
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^^^^unfortunately Ted's epic special treatment for that crime cast an impenetrable shadow over anything worthwhile he and his family could ever accomplish. That and the fact that HE CAN'T SEEM TO CONTROL THE VOLUME OF HIS VOICE ON THE SENATE FLOOR!
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there are more than 2 candidates for president. What's sick is the debt the country is in and he's spedning $30 million advertising. He and Obama are worthless. The country will not change unless someone other than an elephant or a donkey is elected. ------------- The bottom 5 teams in rushing attempts (the Browns being one of them) are a combined 1-14. How about trying to run the ball? |
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To be fair to McCain, he is required to spend the money or he loses matching funds. By taking matching funds, he is limited in the amount of money that he can raise. Obama, by not taking matching funds can raise as much as he can. That is, if he raises $1 billion, he has every bit of that to spend. I don't find McCain's response offensive. I find it ingenious. I have severe reservations about McCain. His involvement in the Keating Five bribery scandal bothers me. I know, it wasn't recent, but it speaks to the man's character. His views on energy and environmental issues are disturbing and they are counter to capitalist principles. I'm not convinced that he won't raise taxes at the first opportunity. While McCain is more proactive on the foreign policy front, his globalist leanings cause me a great deal of concern. It is his support for organs like NATO and the UN that cause me more distress than anything else, but I think that he would have the gumption to stick to his beliefs and more pragmatic about the situations that arise. I just don't think Obama has a clue on foreign policy at all. I really don't like his stance on domestic policies, such as his support of illegal immigration and his falling for silliness such as the "cap and trade" taxation scheme. I do like McCain's positions on abortion and fiscal responsibility (though, I don't know if he would actually do anything about it) regarding federal spending, and I know that he would support the military and give them the best possible. ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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I know voting records don't indicate all of the elements being voted on in one bill, but McCain's voting record on supporting the military is very similar to most of the republican party's. He supports using them, but he usually votes against increasing health care funding or better housing. And of course he voted against extra funding for armor and equipment.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't McCain one of the biggest opponents of the improvement of our GI Bill? Saying something along the lines: We are giving them too much... |
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It makes you wonder why people are going to vote for two elected officials who have just taken two years off the job they are supposed to be doing. Both of these parties are putting more energy into their conventions and elections than they are into their entire terms once elected. And 90% of the people who vote this year will guarantee that this system will endure. |
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Which is why we should vote for a 3rd party this time. My choice: Bob Barr. |
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Finally - someone who gets it! I'm voting for a 3rd party as well. Donkey or Elephant our taxes will rise and nothing will change. ------------- The bottom 5 teams in rushing attempts (the Browns being one of them) are a combined 1-14. How about trying to run the ball? |
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Yo Soup?! You forget about me?!
I'm a Libertarian. |
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Your only problem is giving your "party" a name. (I'm voting Barr too). I hate the name though - it's dumb and leaves you open for corruption and cliques. I urge everyone to vote for a 3rd candidate - I don't care who it is - as long as it's not a donkey or an elephant. ------------- The bottom 5 teams in rushing attempts (the Browns being one of them) are a combined 1-14. How about trying to run the ball? |
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