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farmville, You ever post in any forum other than General Discussion? Seems like you live in here, trying to sway people to vote for your boy.
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Why wait for eyem to respond? I would google search "Civilian National Security Force" and read as much as possible before you're drafted into his new civilian army plan. |
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July 20, 2008
Obama's Civilian National Security Force By Lee Cary Barack Obama's recent words to promote his image as Community Organizer in Chief were not about forming a paramilitary force of volunteer brown shirts. They were about turning America into one, giant, community organizer's sandbox at enormous cost to taxpayers. Senator Obama was nearly 17 minutes into his July 2 speech (yet another one where naming Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was required) in Colorado Springs, Colorado when he deviated from his pre-released script and performed without the teleprompter net saying, "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." (emphasis added) The immediate context for that amazing statement was a preview of parts of his plan to vastly expand community service opportunities for Americans of nearly all ages. He said, "People of all ages, stations, and skills will be asked to serve." The range of his community service initiatives was outlined in an earlier American Thinker article. In his campaign document entitled "The Blueprint for Change: Barack Obama's Plan For America," Obama's "Service" section runs a close second to "Education" in complexity. But, with his Colorado Springs' statement, it grabbed first place in its projected costs to taxpayers. Obama did the cost projection himself. He plans to double the Peace Corps' budget by 2011, and expand AmeriCorps, USA Freedom Corps, VISTA, YouthBuild Program, and the Senior Corps. Plus, he proposes to form a Classroom Corps, Health Corps, Clean Energy Corps, Veterans Corps, Homeland Security Corps, Global Energy Corps, and a Green Jobs Corps. Here a corps - there a corps - everywhere a corps corps. So it made sense in Colorado Springs when he said his call to community service "will be a central cause of my presidency." He couldn't be clearer in signaling his intentions, including a Social Investment Fund Network to link local non-profits with the federal government. The entire plan is breathtaking in its scope. But it does not, as at least one internet writer has suggested, portend a "giant police force." It would be easier to rebut if it did. As it is, it's silly stuff born of naively fanciful dreams. Senator Obama aims to tap into the already active volunteerism of millions of Americans and recruit them to become cogs in a gigantic government machine grinding out his social re-engineering agenda. It's Orwellian-like, with a novice social activist's mentality at the helm. In his speech he said, "Now I know what the cynics will say. I've heard from them all my life." Has he? Well, given his absence of noteworthy community organizational achievements, perhaps he might have done more listening to the "cynics" for constructive criticism. It seems clear that he meant to say, in effect, that the security of the nation is as dependent on its unarmed community service providers as it is on its armed military personnel. Even the nomenclature "corps," as in Peace Corps, carries a martial connotation as does the name, Salvation Army. His point: national security begins with civilians. It's a message like the one America's home front heard throughout World War II. Except in his case, he means to marshal volunteers for social service and economic equality while saving the environment. "Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but is also depends on the teacher in East LA, the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans..." That is, of course, true. But ultimate national security requires someone to carry, and, if necessary, discharge a deadly weapon with intent to kill. This is something teachers, nurses and after-school workers are typically unaccustomed to doing as part of their service obligations. Voters haven't paid much attention to his "Service" plan because the old news media has ignored it. That will likely continue, even though Obama attached an approximate price tag to it in Colorado Springs. When Obama said that the "civilian national security force" would be just as "well-funded" as the Armed Forces, he stepped squarely into the giant sandbox and played with the big numbers. As the late Carl Sagan said, "billions and billions" of dollars. Here's how. The FY 2008 Department of Defense (DoD) budget is about $482 billion. Obama has announced his intentions to cut "tens of billions of dollars in wasteful spending," including $9 billion per month spent in Iraq and expenditures for the missile defense system, while increasing the force size of the Army and Marine Corps. Let's imagine "tens of billions" in cuts eventually adds up to a whopping $150 billion. That would be a near one-third cut in defense spending, taking the DoD budget down to $332 billion. Even in such an extreme case of DoD budget reduction, for his "civilian national security force" to be "just as well-funded" would mean funding his community service initiatives at an equivalent $332 billion. Consequently, another $332 billion in addition to the Pentagon's reduced budget of $332 billion equals a net increase of $182 billion in the annual federal budget, assuming we sponge-up the already existing expenditures for the relatively meager, by comparison, existing service programs he plans to expand. That's $182,000,000,000 in new federal monies, and that means higher taxes. In his entire life, Senator Obama has never managed an organization larger than a Senate staff, or that of a law school publication. And, he's never operated a for-profit business or been responsible for any profit center within one. So, while words matter to Senator Obama, it's not clear if math means anything to him at all. http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/07/obamas_civilian_national_secur.html Basically, he's going to slash the military's budget and give it to the peace corps and such. Brilliant. Do we really need a clean energy corps, a global energy corps, and a green jobs corps? Isn't that a little much? |
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fish: No worries. Quite the contrary actually. I frankly half expected the dulcet sounds of crickets chirping in a hollow tube when I posted the thread. I think it illustrates clearly, there is no real clarity to what he's talking about and people can only guess or, as you said, change the subject to try and sweep it out of everyone's thought process. It kind of falls under the column of "did he really say that?" And could Obama be trying to figure out a way of putting these words back into his mouth about now? You notice you don't see many of the usual suspects showing up in this thread to christen the USS Obama Civilian Security Force idea and drone on about the wonder of it all. It's like the plague just rolled onto the message board and it's "icky". The ones who have, can only talk about anything else because they are as clueless as me. Would you or I want to try to defend or explain it with a straight face if McCain said it? We'd be calling for the white van and antiseptic suits. farm: You could have easily done this yourself but I was inspired to a "call to service" so I rounded up the long version of "Obama's collectivism speech" for you. But I don't think it matters. Your eyes saw his lips moving and your ears heard what he said. What more do you need? It just sounds preposterous and completely lame. And why don't we hear more about it? I'd love to hear every detail of this one right down to the penny. And please try to remember that I'm not your waiter. Ramble On "If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" |
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I prefer to keep god out of politics myself. I don't want someone using what I consider mythology to make decisions for me. |
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Now to the topic, he was calling people that serve, anyone that is helping do positive things for the country from what I saw.
I didn't watch all 30 minutes of it, but that was the general theme, so if I was to guess he was saying we need Americans to be responsible and all work towards a common goal, that if we make the U.S. a better, safer place at home and people work together we also will be stronger and safer.... I watched 3-4 minutes of it, jumping around, if you got a time stamp part, let me know, I am more than willing to look at it objectively, even though you may not think so. |
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I can't speak on behalf of Obama's plan b/c I don't know any details (Big surprise)...
But a civilian national security force is an excellent idea IF you cut the Pentagon's budget to account for it. An army stationed at home to protect the citizens of this country. Could be used as border patrol? Or to respond to internal conflicts like riots, terrorist attacks and natural disasters? Provide security for large events or near nuclear power plants? Help police and the Coast guard? Spending $700 billion a year to make sure Iraq, Japan, Korea and Germany are safe is not a better idea when thousands of Americans have to die. Why employ civilians and train them to protect this country when we can give the Pentagon a never-ending budget that goes straight towards our deficit? |
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DON: I know it's getting close to Halloween so thanks for one of the scariest posts I've seen in a while.
What you're talking about would be completely rife for corruption. And just imagine the idiot neighbor who is a member and is ticked off at you. You'll want to get in line to avoid any conflict. If everyone wears brown shirts the picture is complete. If you decide to run for prez I urge you to drop this idea. Let's keep the word "civilian" separate from the word "military". Don't worry, none of us seems to know any details of Obama's "civilian security plan" other than he wants it as big and well funded as the military itself. Good grief! "If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" |
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Hey, the next time you're having a conversation with God ask him what he thinks of the mess we made of Iraq, or the environment, or poverty, or how women are treated, and why do the Redsox keep winning. |
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Don, we have all that now. It's called the National Guard, The U.S. Border Patrol and
the two you mentioned, Police and Coast Guard. We're good, thanks! On top of all that, I think every able bodied American Male is already considered part of the 'National Militia' or something like that if anything gets so out of hand that it's needed. My two cents... Ted |
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I will take the no time stamp or refute to what I assumed it was, as I was correct...
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Not very often. And I haven't really tried to persuade anyone of anything. I am still not sure who I am going to vote for 100%, but I know which one I leaning toward. However, if I hear or read something conclusive that would persuade me to change my mind I am a big enough person to change who I am thinking of voting for. Does it really matter if I post in other forums or not? If there is a requirement that I post in another area I'm not aware of them. I also "live here" as you state because I am trying to get as much insight as I can to make a more informed decision. I read allot of stuff on my own but I also come here to read stuff that maybe others have found that I didn't. I'm sorry if that is a problem for you. |
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Can't be drafted already served my time. 20 years worth to be exact. And I have read stuff about it. |
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Ok, thanks for the video it was quite interesting. I have done some other research as well. While I don't necessarily agree with everything in the video or what I have read in general I do not find fault with too much. The one thing I did find a little disturbing was the part when he says he wants to make community service mandatory for all students, college or pre-college. However, I do not think that he could get something like that placed into law. Remember what ever he wants to do still has to be passed be the house and the senate. Right? That is how it is done here still. Please correct me if I'm wrong on that. Other than that I don't see a problem with getting people involved in the community and serving the country in what ever way they can. Allot of people want to serve our country but for medical or other reasons can't join the military. This could give them another way to serve. Everyone knows there is enough work to be done to help make our society stronger and safer and I for one don't mind helping because I care about every citizen of the United States. |
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Not a problem, just curious. I'm sure there are more informative places on the internet if you are interested in gaining insight on the election though. ------------------------------------------------------------ |
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I do go to other sources of information, but I am only one person with a limited amount of time. By looking at my sources and seeing what other people here are finding I get more information at a faster pace then if I were to go it alone. I like reading what my fellow Brown fans are thinking and reading. Plus I live in Virginia so allot of stuff that you all might hear in the news and stuff I can't which gives you different insight and sources that I can't tap into (i.e. your local tv stations and radio stations). In addition I truly believe this is the most important election in our nation's history and I want to make sure I am getting as much information to make an informed decision. Although I am leaning toward Obama, I am trying to be open to the other side in order that I may make an objective decision on November 4th and vote for the right man to lead our country. |
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Respecting all life would render war, death penalties and guns useless and needless. Every McCain supporter is blinded by their own false hypocritical morality. April 25, 2009 - Countdown to D-Day |
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AHHH, Religion and politics. Always a good conversation starter. Usually ends with a beer bottle to the skull.
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