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I am 16 an I still don't know which side I stand in politics.
So can everyone please provide a brief response on why they are a Republican or a Democrat? Maybe this way I'll be able to see for myself who I believe has the right views. Stay out of the Smack Shack it will only get you in trouble. |
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Don't join either proman, choose for yourself from issue to issue. |
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My God we've agreed on something. |
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I am a Republican because that party has been closer to my view of how things should be run. My views are Moderate to Conservative mostly because I have wealth and property to protect and I want lower taxes on those things. I don't trust or like big government.
When I was your age, I was more concerned with the plight of the people and for their welfare. It is my opinion that a young person should think with his heart more than his head and look for ways to improve the human condition. It is also my opinion that an older person needs to think with his head more than his heart because an older person has worked long and hard to build his estate and has more than just himself to be responsible for. Most important of all.... REMAIN A BROWNS FAN FOR LIFE!!! |
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I view myself as an independent that leans towards moderate or conservative republican due to my religious beliefs.
I don't believe in abortion because i believe in the sanctity of life no matter how young, divorce because when you take a vow it should mean something, gay rights or any rights that deal with sexuality as its not the governments or anyone else's business except in the benefits given for raising children which I believe need to have a female mom and a male dad. I believe in fair and equal taxation aka flat tax with an exemption to all taxes to those in poverty or very poor. I believe all education should be paid for by the government including college for the same reason as high school is required education. I believe companies should be appreciated for the jobs they bring in and not be taxed to death. I believe property tax is unconstitutional as well as income tax and all taxes should be made ONLY from items purchased. WOW no IRS needed for that one and just think of the money saved. I believe that there should be a government healthcare system that mirrors the one in South Korea which is just plain awesome and affordable. Every working person and retired person pays a premium based on income. I have been there and even without insurance it is cheaper to see a doctor there than it is here WITH insurance. They also have private insurance that can supplement what the government doesn't cover or is unwilling to pay for. The main reason I think its reasonable and constitutional to have collage and healthcare paid for is because in the declaration of Independence it states, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,..." I don't believe a man or woman can have an equal chance at pursuing happiness without a college education and good health. Therefore to secure this right it is ok for us to give power to the government to ensure this right to pursue happiness is protected. "The way I see it, these fans would party on Saturday if Ohio State won the national championship, but the city would burn down if we won the Super Bowl.” Joe Jurivicious |
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Wait a minute, what dimension is this? |
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Good point on healthcare, you have a unique view of things even if I don't agree with all of it, |
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How do you figure the GOP will better protect your wealth and property besides their promise of lower taxes. Honest & unloaded question... |
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I'm middle of the road but lean to the left and tend to do so more now then ever after hearing and listening to the "misinformation" put out by conservatives...
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I've voted both parties and third parties. My general political stance is that I fear the far right. I believe, if allowed to, they will be responsible for the ruin of a great country and political system.
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Both parties are riddled with crooks and liars. Vote issue to issue. Wonder why they voted down term limits...
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Im registered a dem but that is mostly because of the area that I'm in. Both sides to the far right and left make me angry for one thing or another. Don't vote for someone just because one has a D or an R next to their name.
I would consider myself a moderate with no real party affiliation. --------- Welcome to Cleveland! Home of the famous Tiredcat formation and the premier place that QB's come to kill their careers. |
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Agreed. And also you have to look at the individual candidates, they aren't gonna line up exactly with their parties preferences all the time. And look at the actions of the incumbents, if you like what they've done and want to see them do more vote for them, if not don't. Also don't let others influence you too much. Even if everyone you know beleives in something you don't, listen to yourself. Plus voting is secret so they won't know unless you tell them ------------------------------ We are NOT better without K2! We need a new OC, and maybe head coach too... |
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One thing you really need to know is that neither party has your interests at heart. Each party cares about itself and it uses it's members to advance the wealth and power of it's leadership in the short term. At the national level both parties' long term goal is to establish a single global economic monetary system, because that best serves the rich and elite of both parties. That is going to entail an inevitable decrease in the standard of living for US citizens. The difference in the parties is their approach to acheiving that goal and the speed at which they approach it. Painting with a very broad brush, the Democrats attempt to achieve it by way of socialistic wealth redistribution within the nation. Things like tax breaks in the form of tax rebates for people who don't even pay taxes, and large government programs such as Social Security and Medicare which are sold to the public as a limited safety net and quickly grow to entitlements, i.e., "rights" to other people's money. The Republicans attempt to achieve it by opening US borders with trading partners who do not have the government and socialist burden that the US does. Cheap labor overseas causes an influx of inexpensive products, but US dollars spread around the world. In the past, the US could afford to do that because industry invested heavily in new products and research. For most products, US technology led the world, and if the world wanted that new technology, it had to come to us. Now though, research dollars have all but dried up for two reasons. One is exhorbitant bonuses paid to top management for delivering on the bottom line. First thing to go is the research dollars. The bottom line looks great in the short term. Mr Suit gets his bonus and then he's gone. The second reason is that politics have invaded the awarding of research money. Research money is available for projects which further a particular political agenda, while more worthy projects go by the wayside. The end result is that our technological lead is fading fast. We're just like everybody else in the world. The world doesn't have to come to us for innovative technology. Sooner or later, there will be a single monetary system in the world. It's just the way economics works. When that happens, national boundaries will have less and less meaning, just like state boundaries don't have all that much meaning today. There are some differences of course, but the biggest culture shock isn't in going from one state to the next, but in going from a big city to a rural community. The political parties aren't really that much different. They work together to exclude other parties like the Libertarians for example. Also, there is so much entrenched bureaucracy in all levels of government that things will have to get far far worse before the public will do anything to change it, if we ever do change it. Both parties support and encourage that bureaucracy to maintain their power to the exclusion of alternate views. The fact of the matter is that our standard of living is so high that it's simply not worth the effort or risk to try to make real changes. So the parties go on their merry way, and any perceived differences are an illusion to keep the peasants in line, while the bureaucracy silently grinds away in the background. ********************************************** Nothing shocks me anymore. Well, except for the cop with a Taser that one time. |
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I am a conservative because I believe that they have my best interests and the interests of the INDIVIDUAL CITIZEN at heart Now, that is not to say that Democrats (especially Blue/Yellow Dogs) do not but alot of the policies set forth by the far left actually inhibit the rights of the individual and replace them with policies guided towards the masses A good book that I read was Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand....it was written in the 50's but is timeless and paints an accurate picture of where this country might go If asked who I thought was a good president, I would say Reagan...listen to his speeches and digest what he has to say...you will find that he stood for the individual citizen and their inherent rights as Constituted by the Founding Fathers Just a thought...Im sure democrats on this board can point you to FDR and the like but if you are trying to figure out who you support...definitely look at the high points of each party and figure out what you stand for Im past counting our record....here is to bringing it every week and improving our team as a whole! |
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proman32
ALL Repubbycans is jack-a-napes... an' EVER' SINGLE Demmycrat is jest sum equally ignert brain-daid cousin... Pick a Party an' stick with it. I jest ask you do us all one favor... ...whenever one Party has theyseffs more'n 60 Senators an' a Majority in the House... VOTE fer t'other Party. (Whichever that may be...) The only Good Repubbycan nor Demmycrat is one what cain't enact a single bit of they's Tom-Foolery. They is all Clowns an' do they's greatest services to our Country whilst tossin' mud-pies a-toward one another in the Halls of Congress. Doan DASN'T ever let EITHER Party get IN CONTROL! You'll be much happier that way. |
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I agree 100%!
I agree, but the "misinformation" on both sides keeps me not liking either party.
I agree except that I fear the far right and the far left, in fact I fear the far any direction as it always leads to one person/small group of people having control over many. The best advice I can say to you Proman is to study up on some history. People tend to fall into certain categories of historical ideology, most people do not even realize when they do this. Once you understand the basics of each of the major ideologies you can tell fairly quickly where a politician/issue/bill/ect. stands and what might be their end goal. A very basic example of this would be the issue of immigration in the U.S. today. If someone states... Illegal Alien: Then you can pretty quickly surmise their stance on a closed border policy. They feel that the workers crossing the border are breaking U.S. law and some go so far as to label it an invasion. Illegal Immigrant: Then they are more middle of the road, but concerned about the porous border. Undocumented Immigrant: Then they are more middle of the road, but think their should be more involvement in knowing who is entering our nation. Undocumented Migrant Worker: Then they are for an open border policy and possibly a union between the North American nations. They tend to approach the issue as though the U.S. is wrong for having a border as the said worker's heritage ties to the land are older than the U.S. This is just a rough example, but hopefully you see that knowing the history of the major ideologies and their fates grants you an advantage into seeing the direction a politician/political party might be headed in. Then you can choose for yourself on what freedoms and how much of them should be sacrificed to make us safer or more equal as you are neither safe nor equal with total freedom. Politicians/political parties only disagree on the amount. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Me4president, |
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I commend you Proman for inquiring about this subject. You are showing some real maturity for being 16 years old. Keep it up seeking the council of your father, grandfathers uncles etc. Keep this thought in mind that political parties are just a small part of governing your life. "Government" exist in all facets of life and society. Family is a form of government, being in church is a form of government, being in a union is a form of government, being in a social organization is a form of government. Educate yourself, be around as many different types people as possible, keep an open mind and eventually a political party will begin to reveal itself to you. Attending local government functions ie. city council, township meetings is good experience. As far me, I'm a democratic-anarchist. You're free to do what ever you want as long as it doesn't harm the larger group. It's an other one of those Indian things.  |
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Isnt that the textbook definition of a Libertarian? lol Im past counting our record....here is to bringing it every week and improving our team as a whole! |
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Pretty much. |
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I agree with this too. I'm afraid of either party having too much power. As for the rest of the posts on here, can't say I agree with them all but at least they give you an idea about the sides. ------------------------------ We are NOT better without K2! We need a new OC, and maybe head coach too... |
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My philosophy is to be open to listening to the issues and vote for the PERSON and not the party. The people who just rubber stamp everything because their party says so are not really doing their part to be intellectually engaged.
For the record, I'm a registered Republican on paper, Libertarian in truth, and voted Democrat the election. I swear to you I'm not confused, I know what I'm doing! /Voted Obama for his stance on Healthcare and International Diplomacy. //Would have probably voted for Romney if he won the nomination because of his business background and the fact that he seemed like the best candidate to help our job-loss economy |
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I'm not much into labels  As Groucho Marx is quoted as saying "Why would I want to join a club that would have someone like me for a member" |
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Spoken like a true Libertarian lol The reason we dont see more Jesse Ventura's around is because it is hard for libertarians to organize themselves....this is because the term is so vague and ambiguous that to classify one person as a moderate democrat or a liberal republican might also fall in the category of Libertarian or other broad general terms... it is not that all moderates are libertarians but rather that libertarians as classified by fiscal conservatism and social individualism would easily cross many perceived party boundaries Im past counting our record....here is to bringing it every week and improving our team as a whole! |
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Me? Democrat.
Traditionally, Republicans are more geared towards the rich, Democrats are more for the poor & working class. I guess i've almost always been in the latter and feel the rich have enough or should have enough. Plus, i was raised by Democratic parents. Issue by issue is a good way to decide what you want to be. - or - You could always just listen to Rush Limbaugh, who is basically a speaker for the Republican party. If you like what he has to say, be a Republican. If he makes you want to puke, choose something else!  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill's not coming to town, but i still like the pic! GO BROWNS!!!!! |
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I must object wholeheartedly to Rush Limbaugh being the speaker of the Republican Party Most Republicans still look to Reagan and the intellectual ideas of those around him for guidance If you want to know what drives Republican ideology...listen to Reagan's speaches or read history about him....the supply side revolution still exists in our hearts and souls!!! Im past counting our record....here is to bringing it every week and improving our team as a whole! |
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I'm working class and I'm conservative, who's voted republican for religious (pro-life) and economic reasons. I also believe in supply side economics, I'm a house painter so I paint for those with money. The more disposable income they have, the more essential income I have. The dems have been saying they would lift the poor out of poverty since the 60's, guess what-they're still there. My two cents... Ted |
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Far right = crazy
Far left = crazy Go issue to issue. Stay centered as much as possible although there is always issues you will feel strongly for one way or the other. |
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Ted, I hope your not implying its the Dems fault for people being poor, and not the Republicans.
This would be very hard to argue, considering the 'socialist' Western European nations on average have much better rich/poor disparity index numbers. Both parties work for the people with money, and thats usually a business with special intrests. Helping the poor is lip service imo. Neither really cares that much. They dirty themselves enough to distinguish themselves from their rival, then they don't do much more imo. Money often can buy votes that are needed to quash something, not always, but often. Then you have people in washington that perpetuate the do nothing culture. The average person elected is more worried about what they need to do to be reelected, not fix whats wrong imo. Calling out one side, casts a blind eye to the other wrong side. So to finish, I hope to be neither for a while. |
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My two cents... Ted |
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Stay independent in the beginning. If you really want to stand for a "party" then do so. The party thing is too volatile right now due to the crazy "pundits" who are ranting on the 24 hour news programs.
The real thing about politics to see what is going on in your "local" scene. Think global - act local. See what is "the big picture" and go for the "what is going on locally". These are the people who are making the policies that a really affecting you - your town or city board and board of education. Look and see at the various board meetings and see where you lean. |
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Well, I figured the tone of the post, I wouldn't have to clarify that I was blaming republicans only, since I threw them both under the bus in it. Like it or not, you can't exclude things, then state facts. Credit or not, then you play the arguement game of who is responsible, and no one ever wins that. The next boom most likely is green/cleaner tech, agree with it or not, but its in demand. I know how you feel, but in your post you only attacked one side, so I figured id even it out a little, for those that don't know. |
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I'm a Democrat because, I have a brain and a heart.
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I haven't seen a fiscally responsible Republican in decades. They are saying," where are we going to get the money for health care" but, I don't recall them fully identifying the funding sources for two wars. Especially the Iraq war of choice. I just want to punch John Boehner in the face every time he opens his smug mouth. Whoever in Ohio voted for him is a fool.
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Also, Rush was a junkie who got his pills illegally. Every time I hear he is the voice of the Republican party I want to laugh out loud. Great morals for the voice of your party.
Here is the real reason. We see what happens w/ the Republican method of free market,"let the market determine the cost" and such. In the 90's we had a surplus when Clinton was in office then, the supposedly fiscally responsible Republicans take the White House and congress and we see what happens to our surplus. They must think it's a shopping spree. The Republicans must have got together and said,"We've got all this extra money, what should we do with it?" I've got an idea John Boehner said,"Lets start two wars and not give people who pay taxes health care that they're lacking." All the other Republicans said," that's a great idea." "Let's implement this now!" No regulation and the breakdown of trickle down economics. The idea of giving money to the top wealthy people and let them have the money to start businesses, spread it around letting it trickle down from the top to the rest of us. Tell that to Madoff. You have to trust that all of those top people have morals and are looking out for everyone......... Yeah. That worked well Republicans, real well. On another note, I hope Palin runs in 2012 because, she'll get destroyed. She supposedly wants to get elected but, she just ran out on/abandoned her own state when someone offers her more money. If she's president let's hope Iran doesn't offer her money for nuke secrets because, she'll throw us under the bus just like Alaska for another nickle. I have no problem w/children out of wedlock but,how is she supposed to represent the party's conservative morals when she can't even teach them in her own home? If this is what The Republican party has to offer I feel extremely sorry for them. -End Rant. +1 for Dems -1 for Republicans. This message has been edited. Last edited by: jlennerth82, |
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I identify myself as an independent libertarian. Republicans don't favor social freedoms enough for me and Democrats don't favor fiscal freedoms enough for me. I truly hope that a viable 3rd party emerges in my lifetime. I'm 34.
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I'm not a Rush fan but attack his ideas not his personal problems, reminds me of everyone making fun of Romeo for his weight... I do not believe he is the voice of the Republican party, but I also think the Republican party is mostly corrupt and idiotic (just like the Dems) so it really doesn't matter.
I'm all for cutting government spending and reducing our debt, but Clinton cut the wrong areas, DoD/CIA/ect. That, arguably, led to the Afghan and Iraq wars, that costs a lot of money... If Osama would have been dealt with during Clinton's term and Suddam treated harsher we probably wouldn't have been in the boat we were in. (I still don't think we should have went into Iraq, but I understand it was an opportunity to eliminate that threat and surround Iran with Democracy.)
They definitely were not "fiscally conservative". They said they were when running for office then did the opposite... go figure. Although sept. 11th, Katrina, Tsunami, Iraq, ect. deals made a bit of a dent into that "surplus".
Like I said, I was against Iraq, but not Afghanistan. The ruling party of Afghanistan attacked us directly on 9/11 and killing thousands of Americans, if any, that was the time to attack a nation. We do not, should not, pay taxes for health care. It is the duty of the government to protect our rights not supply our needs.
It wasn't "giving money" it was reducing taxes. The money starts out as ours and we give it to the government, not the other way around. If there is extra money to be had who do you want to have it? Your employer or your government? I guess that depends on if you have a job or not. Remember you can get a different employer... and think about how many times the government has responsibly used your money...
Bad example, Madoff broke the law, got caught and is now paying for it. I can show you many people abusing welfare atm, are you ready to throw out the system? How about the failure of public schools? Who is holding them accountable?
I highly doubt she will run and if she does I doubt it is as a Republican. The rest of your paragraph sounds like a 10 year old arguing with a 9 year old. Sell nukes to Iran? She has a lot of areas you can legitimately attack, why make stuff up?
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Well said Me4, well said!
My two cents... Ted |
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It was an analogy. She'll screw over the country just like the state of Alaska. They elected her to serve her full term but, then she got book deals and all sorts of money so instead of saying,"I'm committed to serve the people who trusted me enough to give me their vote she says,"My loyalty/duties belong to the highest bidder." That is just garbage. F the people of Alaska. I've got a ton of money now. I was attacking her morals because, that is the tool of choice for the Republican Party. Instead they slander the morals of Dems playing the role of holier than thou to be caught in the bathroom w/men like the Sen.Craig. |
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