Originally posted by soddawg:
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Originally posted by farmville dawg:
Dude, I think you are confusing me with someone else. I never said anything about babies anywhere.
you got a deficiency with comprehension in general or just reading comprehension? weinerdog started it by talking about iraqi babies.
Dude you are truly out of your mind. It is OBVIOUS you have a memory problem. You wrote and I quote, "why do you care what babies are killed in iraq? why should anyone care? and what's a innocent anyway?" So there you see you did say something about babies. quote:
Originally posted by weinerdog:
Oh yea! Sorry. But actually it's only American babies that you're concerned about. Now I remember. Any other innocents that are killed, like Iraqi unborn during that war is cool with you.
that’s what he said. he made a moral judgment so i asked a question about moral judgments based on what he said.
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Originally posted by soddawg:
why do you care what babies are killed in iraq? why should anyone care? and what's a innocent anyway?
that’s what i said. you then jumped in without adding anything to the conversation and instead just implied there was something wrong with me.
Dude I'm not implying there is something wrong with you because there most assuredly is something wrong with you. I didn't add anything other than what I said because I was so stunned that someone could find human life so meaningless even if it is Iraqi life. All life is precious not just American or Iraqi.quote:
Originally posted by farmville dawg:
Are you serious, because if you are you might want to see someone.
that’s what you said.
I know exactly what i said, unlike you who couldn't remember that you mentioned babies in your post.quote:
Originally posted by farmville dawg:
You are the one that said you didn't care about babies in Iraq, not me.
that’s a damn lie. i said exactly the OPPOSITE of what you accuse me of saying. what i said is still right there for everybody to see so stop lying about it.
It isn't a lie, it is exactly what you said. Remember "why do you care what babies are killed in Iraq? Why should anyone care?" That's what you said, sounds to me like you don't care about babies in Iraq. quote:
Originally posted by farmville dawg:
As far as your religious beliefs, have whatever beliefs you want, I could care less.
i never said nothing about religion. i mentioned god, and religion got nothing to do with god.
If you think that God and religion have nothing to do with one another then that is your opinion, even if I think it is wrong you are still entitled to it. However, you don't need religion to have a god, but you do have to have a god to have religion, whether that god is the Christian God or some other god. Religion and gods do go hand in hand.quote:
Originally posted by farmville dawg:
My morals are based on the way I was raised and my preconception of right and wrong. See I think for myself, I don't need the Bible or any other book or law to know what I feel is right and wrong. There you have it my sense of morally right and moral wrong are based solely and in whole on me.
you finally managed to grasp part of the issue. congratulations. so you think for yourself. well huzzah, that obviously don’t take much time. thing is you aint the only person in the world. so everybody is thinking for themselves too.
I have a complete grasp on the topic at hand, it was you that started spewing stuff that had nothing to do with the topic of this thread. Notice the thread is "Teen birth rates highest in most religious states" so obviously it was you who did not grasp what the discussion was supposed to be about. now the man next to you goes through the same process you did to come up with his morals and he does his thinking for himself too. since he went through the same process to come up with his morals as you did and since he does his thinking for himself just like you do, his morals are just as valid as your morals. but his morals are different than yours.
Absolutely correct his morals will be different than mine, just as mine are different from yours. so his morals are just as VALID but DIFFERENT than yours. and his morals say that he should kill everybody what looks like you. his morals say that’s right and that’s good. so since his morals are VALID, when he kills you he’s done good. right?
Yes his morals are valid even though they are different than mine. Legally, if these are his morals and he has to kill me or others who look like me, he will have to deal with state and federal laws which are not decided by me, you, or him.quote:
Originally posted by farmville dawg:
By the way who the hell are you to judge whether I or anyone else is morally bankrupt. Remember the Bible says "Judge not, that ye be not judged." Matthew 7:1
Just thought I would give you a taste of the source of your morality.
so it is comprehension in general you have a problem with not just reading comprehension. you got no clue where my morality comes from. you aint just clueless your utterly clueless. i never said nothing about religion, or christians, or bible or nothing. i didn’t judge you for your sins, i don’t do that to nobody, but I aint afraid to point out somebody whos lost in the wilderness. i see that youre lost but i don’t judge you for what you do while youre lost, that’s the difference.
You know i may be clueless, but at least I'm not a sociopath. I could careless where your morality comes from God or your parents or anywhere else. I certainly do not need someone of your intellect to help me out because he thinks I'm lost in the wilderness. By the way, my morals wouldn't preclude me from taking you to the woodshed and beating your rear end all over the place. See how your morality or your god works with that. Just like a kid who has no clue about life. I also don't judge you because of your morality, however I will judge you on what you say and how you act and well you already know the way I feel about you.so i don’t judge nobody, but you projected your own self-judgment onto me. you judged yourself because deep in your heart you know the truth. deep down all mankind knows the truth but we run from it because we WANT to rebel against god. its like a alcoholic who knows deep down he got a problem but lies to himself and everybody around him.
Where do you get that i projected my own self-judgment on you? I never projected anything, I merely stated that if you felt the way you did about Iraqi babies (going off of your statement) that you may need to talk to someone. If I felt that way about babies I would need to talk to someone too, but I don't and I am not the one who made the statement or asked the question, YOU WERE.quote:
Originally posted by TonyB1972:
From my upbringing, and how I feel.
so your whole basis for whats right and wrong is how you feel. that sounds like youre saying that you and you alone have the authority to determine right from wrong. no wonder you don’t believe in god, you want the job for yourself. read what i wrote in response to farmville dawg about the validity of self made morals.
Dude, everyone forms their own morality, even you. I think you are confusing morality with laws. There is no directive on how your morality should be shaped, unless you are talking about the Bible. The Bible is not all that morally stable in itself, I can think of many things in the Bible that are morally ambivalent or outright wrong. You cannot derive your moral compass based on a book that was pieced together by the Roman Catholic church and left out major portions of the original writings. I'm not saying that you find your moral compass in the Bible, but if you don't form your morality yourself then where do you get the information and experiences that form yours? quote:
Originally posted by TonyB1972:
In your argument, only humans have souls, so im good to slaughter everything else, right?
your projecting onto me just like farmville dawg did. i never said nothing about souls or animals.
Again I didn't project anything and someone with some intellect would understand that Tony was trying to give you an example to show you a difference in thinking. He was not projecting or criticizing you as I am now doing.quote:
Originally posted by TonyB1972:
Where the biblical teachings for animals? Most animals do not cause anarchy and sluaghter everything in their path. Elephants will look for and cautiously avoid stepping on and killing smaller animals.
what the hell are you babbling about? I never said nothing about the bible. animals??? huh??? one of us must be really really stupid. either your way more smarter than me or your completely stupid cuz i sure as hell can’t figure out what youre going on about.
I think it is the former rather than the latter that is in effect here. quote:
Originally posted by TonyB1972:
You CANNOT prove anything, and neither can I, but I will tell you I can't...you think you can. We have had 50 million debates on here, and guess what, if any of you could of proved it, I would go snatch me up a bible this minute, or whatever other religion you prove is correct. We have gone through the double standards, explainations, ect...
i aint trying to prove nothing. i dont have to. theres nothing for me to prove what you don’t already know for yourself. you just deny yourself to it. you proved you know it because you projected your self-judgment onto me just like farmville dawg did. but you have to lie to yourself. you want to deny what you know deep down because you want to rebel against god and decide right and wrong for yourself, just like farmville dawg.
Dude if you need God to determine right and wrong for you then you need to be committed because you are a danger to yourself and others. It is people like you that kill people and then say God told me too. So let me ask if God told you to kill me, would that make it morally right? quote:
Originally posted by TonyB1972:
Sorry, the without religion, theirs anarchy and death to everyone is bull imo....Then you will say animals don't have a conscious, then I will post accounts of what I call one, then you will cry foul...then I will post a counter to anything you post and round and round we go....
there you are talking stupid crap again. i never said nothing about religion or anarchy or nothing like it. youre either lying or stupid or both. everything i said is still on this thread, so stop lying and stop telling me what i’ll say. go read it again and this time use your brain.
I think your biggest problem is trying to understand that others are giving you different perspectives to look at things, but you only have that one perspective which is that God sets your morality and you will not listen to or accept that others think differently than you do. quote:
Originally posted by airsave:
? Witch GOD there are so many to chose from.
Aladura, Asatru, Bah'ai Faith, Bön, Buddhism, Cao Dai, Chinese Religion, Chopra Center, Christianity, Christian Science, Confucianism, Eckankar, Epicureanism Falun Gong,
Greco-RomanReligion, HareKrishna, Hinduism, Islam, Jainism, Jehovah's Witnesses, Judaism, Kemetic Reconstructionism, Mayan Religion, Mithraism, Mormonism, Neopaganism, New Thought. Rastafari, Scientology, Shinto, Sikhism, Stoicism, Taoism, Unification Church,
Unitarian Universalism, Wicca, or Zoroastrianism
lots of Gods, lots laws, and morals yet all diffrent.
obviously youre too stupid to know the difference between god and religion.
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