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Their greatest utility seems to be separating the screwers from the screwees.


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I have no problem with this plan, however I don't understand the cutting of Education spending. In my opinion our Education system needs more support than it has currently, or at least a better appropriation of it's funding. If you left it up to the states alone, the poorer states would suffer. It is not a child's fault what state they grow up in, and the Education system should be equally exceptional throughout the US anyway.



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On the surface I agree with you. But we can save money and provide a quality education to our kids. At the end of the day we are talking about money management. The government has failed in this respect. Government waste is rampant. Giving them more money will only makes things worse. Its like welfare, when you give people something for nothing, no good will come out of it. Do we need a Department of Education, when there is one at the state level? I don't think so. The Department of Education is in bed with the teachers union. How's our education system going to improve if we don't establish a standard, but more importantly enforce the standard? We need a new way. The current philosophy is broke. As a parent, why am I forced to pay for something that doesn't work?


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As a parent, why am I forced to pay for something that doesn't work?


Better question is why someone with no kids has to pay for that system?

I don't understand tax credits for having children. It should be the other way around.
 
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Better question is why someone with no kids has to pay for that system?


Because someone "before" had to pay for the education of the " someone" with no kids, and the "beat goes on" Wink
 
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Better question is why someone with no kids has to pay for that system?



Don Q,
you got me there. All these taxes are a farce anyway. Ron Paul stated we could end income taxes today and we would still have the same federal budget we had in the 90's. His statement was proven to be correct! Why do we allow these punks to take our money and use it to buy hookers and the like? When will we learn.


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When will we learn.


The million or so of us that voted for Ron Paul learned. Unfortunately, he's one in a billion, and so our population will never learn because there will never be another quite like him.
 
Posts: 1194 | Location: Willoughby | Registered: May 15, 2007Reply With QuoteEdit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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TXFAN, I don't know why you are so mad. Your age is within my plan. I would accept anyone that is 57 or older to have Social Security. I don't know what the big deal is. Look at my post, you would be covered.


Oh, OK now. I'm covered. I'm all happy now that I don't get royally screwed and only the people who worked for 40 years and were born five years after me get shafted. Good for me, tough for them right? That my friend Quinn is one very large, steaming pile of bovine dung and it will continue to reek no matter how much Aqua Velva you pour over it. If you don't know what the big deal is, you are in serious trouble here.



I agree, give EVERYONE all of their money they paid in these systems you are cutting back, with intrest that would be paid in the average private retirement fund and I have no problem with it. You can subtract money that has been used, if you wish. I would want every dime with intrest...real intrest.

Also, just because you slash money from the federal budget, doesn't mean its just saved money. You cut education, so the state will have to make up for it and tax people accordingly, its a shell game.

I see a slippery slope of this plan taken to extremes breaking the country up. I mean why shouldn't Texas just be their own country, since they have oil and all the rest may drag them down? This is the direction part of Paul's stuff that I don't like. I have not read his book, but this is a worry I have for what I hear, and I see nothing in this to prevent what I said from happening. I do not think the U.S. becoming a collection of fuedal states is a great idea.
 
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^^^ There's no problem with each state having an identity. That's the problem with America, we are all controlled centrally. Washington makes decisions that help Florida and hurt Montana. They pass legislation that Iowa benefits from but that Maine hates.

We need stronger state governments so that they can focus on their citizens more closely. If state income taxes increase a bit due to education...so what? At least you are paying directly into your own school.
 
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^^^ There's no problem with each state having an identity. That's the problem with America, we are all controlled centrally. Washington makes decisions that help Florida and hurt Montana. They pass legislation that Iowa benefits from but that Maine hates.

We need stronger state governments so that they can focus on their citizens more closely. If state income taxes increase a bit due to education...so what? At least you are paying directly into your own school.



I didn't say its own identity, I said its own country...as in, screw all you other 49 states. Then when oil runs low, and they spent a lot of money on their military, hey, its time to annex a state that has a resource for a new technology or discovery that would keep them strong....The state with the new stuff, since they have been poor, probably doesn't stand a chance.

Then if you stop this, you are well on your way to rebuilding current policy. Its a fine line, and I think the depth that has been typed tips the scale imo.

If Texas said, hey we will get rid of all taxes, everyone will get a oil check for being a citizen etc.... If we become our own country, I guarantee it would sound real nice to everyone.
 
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^^^ Unrealistic and from what I understand...illegal.
 
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^^^ Unrealistic and from what I understand...illegal.



I got two words for you, Civil War. So as for it being unrealistic, please be true to yourself.

As for being illegal, I never said it would be, but then we would declare war, bring them back into the fold, then we would have a group of people that say, "This state dependance stuff has gone too far, we need to nip this now, and make rules". Then we are on the path back to current day is what I said.
 
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Better question is why someone with no kids has to pay for that system?

I don't understand tax credits for having children. It should be the other way around.


If someonr doesn't have kids, then it will be someone elses kid who finds the oil, discovers the next viable alternative energy source or the cure for cancer and the childless will still reap the benefits.

How about if you you don't have kids, you don't have to pay for education BUT you don't get to enjoy the benefits of that education either. Sound better?

Society pays to edecate their children in order for society to benefit. The problem is in many cases the children aren't getting the education we pay for so we aren't getting the benefits either.
 
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Our current national debt is $9,600,828,167,354.81 as of earlier today, 14 Aug, 2008. (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/)

Our countries deficit is nearing $800 billion. (http://www.iie.com/research/topics/hottopic.cfm?HotTopicID=9)

The following are my plans (pretending to be the President) to fix some of our economic woes;

I've heard many right wing politicians say that they would cut income taxes and reduce "wasteful" spending. We all know that that just creates a larger deficit and adds to the growing debt. I am a right wing supporter, and so I've decided to do things differently.

$581 billion dollars was paid into Social Security last year. My plan would allow all people currently on Social Security, and anyone within 5 years of recieving Social Security to recieve those benefits for the remainder of their lives. Anyone outside of that has the option to pay into a private savings account for retirement. Within about 30 years our government will be Social Security free, and in those 30 years we will have a smaller and smaller amount that is needed to be paid.

Medicare and Medicaid got $561 billion. My plan would be to give everyone on it five years to save up and be prepared to be dropped from these health benefits. Nobody would be allowed to join in this five year period. I would create a private charity account that the citizens could donate into and distribute the money as necessary to those in need. Remember, the United States citizens donated about $300 billion to charities last year. (Before you argue about how thats not the same as our spending, read below).

Welfare should be cut altogether...immediately. That's about $362 billion all at once. Being cut. I would then open a private charity account that people could donate to. The proceeds would help financially stimulate the citizens in need of it.

I would cut education as well, it should be left up to the states to fund. That's $704.1 billion. Once again, I would open up a charity account that schools could apply to recieve help from.

That's what I would do first. No tax cuts...nothing. Just cut those programs. Cutting welfare and education saves us $1,063,000,000,000. Cutting the other two would save us massive amounts in the long run.

Our federal tax revenue was $2,256,289,716,000. We could cut $1,193,289,716,000 in income taxes. To be able to create some revenue though, I would only propose a 1 trillion dollar tax cut. ...and you though Bush made big tax cuts! That would save everyone $3273 dollars in taxes a year. (Per capita average)

I would not cut taxes for at least a fiscal year though, just to make sure that we do not incurr a Republicanesque deficit.

How's that idea? Please comment and ask questions. Fortmilldawg...bash me for being conservative. Seriously though, please respond.


I applaud the attempt. There is one thing that many Americans don't really see and/or understand.

Not only would it NOT be good for the country to have a balanced budget in our current monetary system, but it is IMPOSSIBLE!. It is not impossible because it would take forever, it is not impossible because people just do not have the discipline. It is impossible because, it is just impossible.

There is not enough wealth in this nation to pay it off, and quick possibly there is not enough wealth in the world to pay it off.

The monetary system that the banks have set up, yes banks, the PRIVATE BANK called the Federal Reserve, have set it up so all wealth goes to the banks. Banks lend out 9 times the amount of true money there is. So when a loan is created, that is money out of thin air, and it in effect takes away some of the current wealth the current people have through inflation.

The problem is in paying it back. Since there are (many times more than this because it is multiplied dozens if not hundreds of times but to keep it simple) loans in the amount of 9 times the actual money in existance. It is impossible to get out of debt also due to interest.

The bank loans out $10,000 (eventhough they may not actually have this money, to keep it simple let's say that they do). They charge 10% interest. So, you have to pay back $11,000. Where would the $1,000 come from? It is not in the current pool of wealth making up this nation.

Another way of saying this. Picture a pool with all of the wealth of this nation. To keep it simple let's say there is 2 million dollars in the wealth pool. Well, let's say 1 million of that is in banks. So now the banks can loan out 9 million dollars. Not only that, but they are charging 10% interest. So, the nation has 2 million dollars of wealth, the banks are owed 9.9 million in loans.

See how this makes it IMPOSSIBLE, not just meaning very hard to do, but completely IMPOSSIBLE for us to pay off our debt.


 
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Eliminate the Federal Reserve. Burn money. Establish a gold standard.
 
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Eliminate the Federal Reserve. Burn money. Establish a gold standard.


Amen!


 
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Because someone "before" had to pay for the education of the " someone" with no kids, and the "beat goes on" Wink


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The majority of voters have children, so politicians design a system to "punish" the workers who don't (minority) and reward those who fall in the majority.

All in favor say "five kids equals no taxation whatsoever."
 
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For starters put a Democrate in office. Republcans suck at economic policy; at least since Reagan.
 
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Burn money.


Is it OK if you only burn your own money. I'd kind of like to keep mine since you're so dead set on eliminating every other means for me to live.
 
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^^^^ Big Grin


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Burn money.


Is it OK if you only burn your own money. I'd kind of like to keep mine since you're so dead set on eliminating every other means for me to live.


I am with QuinnJT on this one. Money is fantasy wealth. Actually, correction, our money is like fantasy wealth. It is an illusion. There is no real value backing our paper/electronic money. It is being used as a tool to funnel real wealth to a select few through deflation and inflation. Thomas Jefferson warned us about this.