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Not sure if,"Thanks, but no thanks" qualifies as a lie. She says that, but she kept the money for the bridge to nowhere. I think she lies the way all politicians lie. Again I don't think she's stupid. She's advanced herself to this position. She's definitely not as innocent as you perceive her to be. She's a politician and there's proof of her doing what they all do. She has eliminated her enemies when she gained power and has used her office to achieve the things she wants. |
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eye... I guess I called her a liar directly, but I meant in general all politicians are liars and since they are the ones in the public eye I just named them all. I have no problem with a woman being vp or even president, however, I did not get the same vibe as you obviously and do not have the same faith in her words as you. We will see. I really just want what's best for our country and everyone as a whole. Whoever is elected will have my support until I determine they are not doing or trying to accomplish what they said they were going to do. I have never seen that movie, but it sounds interesting and I will have to give it a look see. Thanks for the info. |
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I personally see her as a negative on the McCain ticket.
She has been proven to be misleading, and when you try to mislead people, its the same as being a liar imo. A lie can be labeled as misleading the truth. If she is so innocent, then why is the McCain election staff stone walling the investigation into her, why is it sealed and private. I have given my thoughts on her before, and she puts a vote for McCain further out of reach for me. I honestly could of been swayed during the debates if I heard the right things from McCain and he ran the campaign he said he was going to run. He did not. I cringe to think of Palin as POTUS, and that seals the deal for me. I am sure she will try to run in 2012, and I predict now, that she will get smashed in the primaries. Especially if she faces another woman that will not be called sexist for tearing her a new one. |
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Here here eye, here here. Icouldn't agree more.
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I didn't know Bush can write.
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Liberal Endorses Palin + Troopergate "If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" |
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Eh? He didn't endorse her, at least to my reading of it.
"Asked if he could possibly vote for the McCain-Palin ticket, Gravel responded: 'No way. Nor will I vote for Obama.'” Not exactly what I would call a ringing endorsement. He did defend the choice of Palin by saying that McCain made a good choice, and that he's free to choose whomever he believes to be best suited for the job. To which, I would respond with, of course he's free to choose! I think it's interesting to note however, that McCain knew almost nothing about this woman before he "vetted" her. It was clear to me, that McCain's preference was Joe Lieberman. Joe and John are good friends with roughly similar political viewpoints. It was also clear that the more conservative members of McCain's party did not favor the choice of Joe Lieberman. So McCain, who prides himself on being 'The Maverick', the man who often 'goes against his own party' caves in to the most polarized faction of his party and selects Sarah Palin purely for political reasons. I really liked hearing what John McCain had to say circa 2000. Unfortunately, in his desire to be POTUS, and appeal to all factions of his own party, he routinely changes his position by the hour, and therefore has pretty much lost all chance of obtaining my vote. He's completely compromised himself beyond all recognition. ----------- "You can't handle the truth!" Colonel Nathan R. Jessop, Commanding Officer Marine Ground Forces Guantanamo Bay, Cuba |
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Palin *was* a good choice. She was a surprise and appealed to uncertain core supporters (such as the religious right), as well as swing voters (independents and Hillarites).
However to call her Ms Smith is laughable, because she started off her VP campaign with a huge lie. She lobbied for the bridge to nowhere, she took the money and then declined to build it, she hired a lobbiest to bring tens of millions to her little town... She is not against government handouts, earmarks, or corruption, unless it suits her to be. I love that movie too, and she is no Ms Smith. |
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Oh my God! Are you drunk? Seriously, Ms Smith? I don't have anything against Palin as a person but to be THIS nieve is truly mind boggling. It's been said that Americans have been so conditioned by hollywood that they seek hollywood story lines and endings in the real world and thus can't distinguish the sales pitch from the bill of goods. That all you have to do is lead the script a little and the people will fill in the blanks for you. Pretty funny stuff. _____________________ Next year has once again been relegated to... next year. |
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You seem to have an innate talent for making sobriety sound condescendingly pompous. "If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" |
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trev: en-dorse {n'dors} vt (sign: cheque) (approve: opinion, claim, plan) Nothing about voting. Maybe not "ringing" but he approves of the choice of Palin and says that "troopergate" will become a non-issue. I would still say that's a fairly good endorsement from someone who's supposed to be a liberal opponent. I think that he won't vote for Obama is the most telling part of what he said. I also think that the Republican Party is much more tolerant of political dissent than the Democratic Party. Zell Miller, Joe Lieberman, and others are basically ostracized for not marching in lockstep to MoveOn.org. For McCain to pick someone who encompasses differences is a smart choice. I doubt very much that she would be a "yes" person. Do you really think that JFK tabbed Lyndon Johnson as his running mate because they were pals? They weren't. They didn't like each other but Kennedy knew he needed southern votes to win and he did just barely. I don't fault Kennedy for that. "If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" |
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Some believe that was a fateful decision that cost him his life. Could LBJ have been behind the assassination of JFK? Was he capable? Yes, he absolutely was capable. So then, the answer to whether he was behind the assassination is "possibly". ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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Johnson was indeed a heartbeat away when Kennedy was assassinated. From that point on LBJ ratcheted up the war in Vietnam to it's highest level.
With all the things that people like to complain about with President Bush, on the average of 6 different polls dating back to LBJ, he actually comes out rated higher than the last 7 Presidents including Bill Clinton. Bush hardly the Worst "If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" |
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That poll was in 2005... things have changed since then... According to your article: "The low points for recent commanders in chief are as follows: Bill Clinton: 37 percent George H. W. Bush: 29 percent Ronald Reagan: 35 percent Jimmy Carter: 28 percent Gerald Ford: 37 percent Richard Nixon: 24 percent Lyndon Johnson: 35 percent " According to more recent polls, he is definately giving Tricky Dick a run for the #1 spot. Many of them have him at 22-24%. http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm |
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Indeed. I see what you're saying, but I was following the vernacular, for example, if the Plain Dealer endorses Bob Smith, usually it means they are telling you to vote Bob Smith for Mayor or whatever. But I certainly acknowledge your point, and agree that if you substitute the word approve here, Gravel certainly does approve of McCain's choice for VP.
Agreed. Although he is from Alaska, no? Is it possible he's trying to get in a good word for Team Alaska? As for troopergate, I'm split on how I feel about it. I have no reason to doubt the veracity of the claims that "First Dude" Todd, and Gov. Palin have leveled at their former relative. However, anyone who has lived through a divorce knows how nasty, emotional, and downright dirty they can be. I had the misfortune of watching my parents go at it hammer & thongs when I was 14, and it wasn't pretty. My feeling on the issue is that the State Troopers of Alaska don't serve at the pleasure of the governor; meaning, they are not political appointments. If she or Todd had a problem with a particular trooper, they should have filed the complaint through the proper channels and let it go. Regardless of what Gravel says, it seems obvious that Sarah exerted pressure on the State Police Commissioner (not sure if that is his official title) to fire this guy. I think that's wrong; I think it shows a lack of judgment. I can certainly understand the strong emotions that are involved in a situation like that, but I think as Governor, you need to rise above it. I think her actions there tarnished her image and that of Alaska.
It's surprising, but many of my friends who lean to the left haven't been happy with the Democratic party since Bill Clinton was President. They feel that Clinton sold out his constituents in order to court the corporate dollar. It's no secret that Obama has taken a large chunk of change from the Wall Street banks, so I can see their point. They believe that Democratic party has lost their way, and many of them favor the Green Party.
I don't know if I agree with that statement about the Republicans being more tolerant of dissent. After all, the Republican party as a whole was about to revolt against McCain because he was too far to the left. I remember Rush railing against McCain all through the primary season because he wasn't a "real" conservative. McCain's dissent didn't seem to be too tolerated.
No, they weren't pals, in fact, to say they disliked each other would be an error; they detested each other. It was a politically expedient choice, and as you correctly point out, Kennedy barely won with that strategy. If he had not picked Johnson, he most likely would have lost resoundingly. So fast forward to 2008, I don't blame McCain for trying to win; that is after all the point. I do think however that you can make a strong case for the fact that his "I'm the Maverick Lone Ranger" persona is smashed by his pick of Palin. Not because she lacks Maverick qualities, but due to the fact that all signs point to McCain being pressured into this choice to satisfy wingnuts in his own party. If you're still reading at this point, I thank you, and I also apologize for the long reply. I think you raise some pertinent facts here eyem, and I don't think they're easily answered in one or two sentences. Since you've put the time and effort into your posts, I felt that a response from me deserves no less. I also want to let you know how much I enjoy reading your posts, you're a very talented writer. Whether or not I agree with your arguments is immaterial; the way you in which you express them always brings a smile to my face. ----------- "You can't handle the truth!" Colonel Nathan R. Jessop, Commanding Officer Marine Ground Forces Guantanamo Bay, Cuba |
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While you're in the mood for polls 41, check out this one on the LOWEST RATED CONGRESS IN HISTORY which is headed by the Democrats. We're talking a whopping 14%!! Harry Reid and his ilk of course blame Bush for everything when all they really have to do is walk down the hall to the congressional rest rooms and look in the mirror. Remember when they were elected on bringing the troops home and lowering gas prices? I think the "Hate Bush Machine For Whatever" has done it's job. Maybe you can find a more recent poll where it's even lower. Nice 'n Fresh poll Jul '08 "If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" |
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