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Originally posted by Dawg57:

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Originally posted by weinerdog:

Actually I was talking about the extremely conservative and communist and khmer rouge and in cambodia. That's about it.

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Originally posted by Dawg57:
Khmer Rouge were Communist and you either know that or have tripped into the Twilight Zone. But here, enjoy.
http://www.cambodia.org/khmer_rouge/

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Originally posted by TonyB1972:
They might leave the glass wearers alone this time, since Rush wears them...its called progress!

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

Because I saw what they did to Vietnames civilians that disageed with their policies. If you were a school teacher, doctor, or believed in God you were killed. Ask Jane Fonda how she feels about the 3 million people killed by these Socialist animals when the US pulled out of Vietnam. You've never had to see these things. And for your sake I hope you never do.

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

Because I saw what they did to Vietnames civilians that disageed with their policies. If you were a school teacher, doctor, or believed in God you were killed. Ask Jane Fonda how she feels about the 3 million people killed by these Socialist animals when the US pulled out of Vietnam. You've never had to see these things. And for your sake I hope you never do.

Thanks, I hope you and no one has to be treated so awfully but the north Vietnamese were/are communist meaning they believe that ownership of land and product should be controlled by a totalitarian government. Socialists believe that the ownership is shared by the community. They are different and even threatened by each other, that's why the Chinese and Soviets never got along.

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

Because I saw what they did to Vietnames civilians that disageed with their policies. If you were a school teacher, doctor, or believed in God you were killed. Ask Jane Fonda how she feels about the 3 million people killed by these Socialist animals when the US pulled out of Vietnam. You've never had to see these things. And for your sake I hope you never do.

Thanks, I hope you and no one has to be treated so awfully but the north Vietnamese were/are communist meaning they believe that ownership of land and product should be controlled by a totalitarian government. Socialists believe that the ownership is shared by the community. They are different and even threatened by each other, that's why the Chinese and Soviets never got along.

Well i'm sure YOU know more on the subject of Communism and Socialism.

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

Because I saw what they did to Vietnames civilians that disageed with their policies. If you were a school teacher, doctor, or believed in God you were killed. Ask Jane Fonda how she feels about the 3 million people killed by these Socialist animals when the US pulled out of Vietnam. You've never had to see these things. And for your sake I hope you never do.

Thanks, I hope you and no one has to be treated so awfully but the north Vietnamese were/are communist meaning they believe that ownership of land and product should be controlled by a totalitarian government. Socialists believe that the ownership is shared by the community. They are different and even threatened by each other, that's why the Chinese and Soviets never got along.

Well i'm sure YOU know more on the subject of Communism and Socialism.

Apparently I do if you think Vietnam is socialist. No offense intended as I know you traveled a lot in the military but when was the last time you spent some time in a different culture? There are some Asian christian churches that you could check out in pretty much every major city, maybe you could check one out? I think you could meet some cool people who have a lot to share and are interested in your view.

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Originally posted by BrownB:
Just curious, how is it CNN has the least cable news viewers and FOX the most?

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

Because I saw what they did to Vietnames civilians that disageed with their policies. If you were a school teacher, doctor, or believed in God you were killed. Ask Jane Fonda how she feels about the 3 million people killed by these Socialist animals when the US pulled out of Vietnam. You've never had to see these things. And for your sake I hope you never do.

Thanks, I hope you and no one has to be treated so awfully but the north Vietnamese were/are communist meaning they believe that ownership of land and product should be controlled by a totalitarian government. Socialists believe that the ownership is shared by the community. They are different and even threatened by each other, that's why the Chinese and Soviets never got along.

Well i'm sure YOU know more on the subject of Communism and Socialism.

Apparently I do if you think Vietnam is socialist. No offense intended as I know you traveled a lot in the military but when was the last time you spent some time in a different culture? There are some Asian christian churches that you could check out in pretty much every major city, maybe you could check one out? I think you could meet some cool people who have a lot to share and are interested in your view.

You can play the Communism vs. Socialism card all day long but there isn't a Nickels worth the difference between the two. The old Soviet Union was a Communist country but the name CCCP which in English translate to SSSR Soyus Sovetskikh Sotscialisticheskikh Respublik or Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. They are one in the same. Control of the people by the Goverment. In America we believe in control of the Government by the people. Obama wants to change that and if you can't see that then your with him.

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Originally posted by daDieken:
Fox has the right to report news any way they like short of slander and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. That being said, when you have people like Hannity and Beck spewing their fear-mongering nonsense, they should expect some backlash from the person/people who they attack. If they can't take it, then they are just another example of neo-cons who so desperately want to be viewed as victims. Poor poor neo-cons, still being marginilized after the rest of the country had enough of their intolerant and lying ways for 8 years, boo-hoo.

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Originally posted by proman32:

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Originally posted by daDieken:
Fox has the right to report news any way they like short of slander and yelling "fire" in a crowded theater. That being said, when you have people like Hannity and Beck spewing their fear-mongering nonsense, they should expect some backlash from the person/people who they attack. If they can't take it, then they are just another example of neo-cons who so desperately want to be viewed as victims. Poor poor neo-cons, still being marginilized after the rest of the country had enough of their intolerant and lying ways for 8 years, boo-hoo.

Yelling fire in a crowded theater is illegal

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

Because I saw what they did to Vietnames civilians that disageed with their policies. If you were a school teacher, doctor, or believed in God you were killed. Ask Jane Fonda how she feels about the 3 million people killed by these Socialist animals when the US pulled out of Vietnam. You've never had to see these things. And for your sake I hope you never do.

Thanks, I hope you and no one has to be treated so awfully but the north Vietnamese were/are communist meaning they believe that ownership of land and product should be controlled by a totalitarian government. Socialists believe that the ownership is shared by the community. They are different and even threatened by each other, that's why the Chinese and Soviets never got along.

Well i'm sure YOU know more on the subject of Communism and Socialism.

Apparently I do if you think Vietnam is socialist. No offense intended as I know you traveled a lot in the military but when was the last time you spent some time in a different culture? There are some Asian christian churches that you could check out in pretty much every major city, maybe you could check one out? I think you could meet some cool people who have a lot to share and are interested in your view.

You can play the Communism vs. Socialism card all day long but there isn't a Nickels worth the difference between the two. The old Soviet Union was a Communist country but the name CCCP which in English translate to SSSR Soyus Sovetskikh Sotscialisticheskikh Respublik or Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. They are one in the same. Control of the people by the Goverment. In America we believe in control of the Government by the people. Obama wants to change that and if you can't see that then your with him.

Please cite some specific examples of Obama trying to change that.

Saying there is no difference between the two would be like saying there is no difference between christians and catholics.

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by Dawg57:

Because I saw what they did to Vietnames civilians that disageed with their policies. If you were a school teacher, doctor, or believed in God you were killed. Ask Jane Fonda how she feels about the 3 million people killed by these Socialist animals when the US pulled out of Vietnam. You've never had to see these things. And for your sake I hope you never do.

Thanks, I hope you and no one has to be treated so awfully but the north Vietnamese were/are communist meaning they believe that ownership of land and product should be controlled by a totalitarian government. Socialists believe that the ownership is shared by the community. They are different and even threatened by each other, that's why the Chinese and Soviets never got along.

Well i'm sure YOU know more on the subject of Communism and Socialism.

Apparently I do if you think Vietnam is socialist. No offense intended as I know you traveled a lot in the military but when was the last time you spent some time in a different culture? There are some Asian christian churches that you could check out in pretty much every major city, maybe you could check one out? I think you could meet some cool people who have a lot to share and are interested in your view.

You can play the Communism vs. Socialism card all day long but there isn't a Nickels worth the difference between the two. The old Soviet Union was a Communist country but the name CCCP which in English translate to SSSR Soyus Sovetskikh Sotscialisticheskikh Respublik or Union of Soviet Socialist Republic. They are one in the same. Control of the people by the Goverment. In America we believe in control of the Government by the people. Obama wants to change that and if you can't see that then your with him.

Please cite some specific examples of Obama trying to change that.

Saying there is no difference between the two would be like saying there is no difference between christians and catholics.

Taking over privately owned companies like GM, Banks, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae buying up land with mortgages that are being financed with funds they know most can't pay back so they foreclose and who then owns the land? The government. We're printing money at 120% the rate we were a year ago. How do you manage that debt without super inflation? Can't grow the economy out of this one. There is a way though. Do you know how it's done?

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Originally posted by weinerdog:
I guess this episode is where no matter what he does the guy can't get out of the small rural town where if people have conservative values there is no way they can be communist.

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Either that or when I say the khmer rouge were communist you hear me say the khmer rouge were socialist.

Tell me if this sounds familiar.

The khmer rouge blamed all their problems on liberals and intellectuals. Professors, doctors, journalists, teachers, etc. So they gathered a bunch of weapons together, formed an army, and started murdering any citizen they believed was a liberal. One way they decided someone was a liberal was if they wore glasses. If you were a simple farmer you had no need for glasses, so you must need them for reading. Reading is evil. It gives people liberal ideas. And yet, the khmer rouge were communists.

And here we are about 40 years later listening to people say, "the problem is liberals" and "let's get guns" and "the military will be on our side".

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Originally posted by Me4president:
Do you really believe that American Conservatism has anything in common with the atrocities you mentioned or are you trying to scare people to your point of view?

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Originally posted by weinerdog:

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Do you really believe that American Conservatism has anything in common with the atrocities you mentioned or are you trying to scare people to your point of view?

Yes I believe there are things in common.

I can't scare people who have all the guns and ammo and are making claims that the military will support them.

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Do you really believe that American Conservatism has anything in common with the atrocities you mentioned or are you trying to scare people to your point of view?

Yes I believe there are things in common.

I can't scare people who have all the guns and ammo and are making claims that the military will support them.

I don't think your trying to scare them. I think your trying to twist their meanings into threats and innuendo to scare the left to moderate into going further left.

I think what I think because I see and hear things that scare me. I can't control how my statements affect left or right.

The problem is, the "people with guns" you speak of are the citizens, criminals and the government. If gun control takes a more prominent role in our laws then I would be more apt to agree with you cause then the only people that would have guns are criminals and government. Besides being really hard to tell the difference, it would be scary.

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[COLOR:RED]I didn't make a gun control statement. Don't understand why you think I did.

You think the Khmer Rouge would have taken over so easily if all the people were armed? I think that is why the "Intellectuals" that founded this country like Franklin so often talked about and created the 2nd amendment. You know the quote, those that pound their swords into plows will plow for those who don't... You may disagree with Conservatism or even the religious right, God knows I do (pun intended) but to equate them to such butchery is just plain wrong. [/color]

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Again I didn't make a statement on gun control.

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I understand that's part of the culture you live in as a special interest group so I'll try to be more sensitive to your needs.

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As far as butchery, I stated that what I've seen and what I've heard were very similar to the concerns of the Khmer Rouge.

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Of course I have faith in our society to prevent this from happening here,

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but I fear there are some, even on this board, who would welcome just such a thing.

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I'm not really sure if you understand what a chore it is to respond to your responses when you cut up the original post with colors.

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Originally posted by dawgnic:
Interesting posts...

I´ve lived in Nicaragua for 15 years...(only Browns fan here )....In theory and in some practice like the Social Democracies in Europe there are major differences in Communism and Socialism....But, unfortunately, in practice too often (Nic. Venezuela, Bolivia, African countries, et.al.) Dawg57 is right, there is not much difference at all......

There is no law in Nicaragua or Venezuela (countries I´m quite familiar with), and certainly no justice system....as a foreigner, if I´m in a car accident regardless of the circumstances....I´m guilty. The Dictator owns everything.....yet he´s proud to be a Socialist ???...Nothing could be further from the truth...unbelieveable hatred (and outright lies) towards the US....really, I don´t want to get started on this stuff.....

Yesterday I watched as a hundred of these idiots defaced the brand new US embassy...ruined all the signs, spray painted all the front walls and fired morters into the building behind the walls and front gate....It was a real party....The gov´t ordered busses to bring in kids from rural Nicaragua to do this, I know, I passed the busses on there way in...dodging some rocks.....(by the way, the morters were home made..pretty harmless)....no police anywhere except blocks away..sitting there watching.....

I can´t agree with Dawg57 about Obama...Right now he´s the best thing we have going for us....

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The biggest blunder was electing this fool to begin with.

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It's the American people and those of us that have seen what Socialism and Communism does to a country

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It's the American people and those of us that have seen what Socialism and Communism does to a country

Your all over the guy for trying to clean up the mess left by your poster child/hero GB..

Your not so drunk as you seem. Sorry I beg to differ, your that and then some.............

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It's the American people and those of us that have seen what Socialism and Communism does to a country

Your all over the guy for trying to clean up the mess left by your poster child/hero GB..

Your not so drunk as you seem. Sorry I beg to differ, your that and then some.............

Well you've never seen many of my post. GWB was never my "Hero". He was a moderate fool that wasted his two terms trying to be a moderate when the country needed a Reagan.

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Don't get me wrong I liked Reagan and voted for him, but could you please tell me how Reagan was conservative?

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Originally posted by rocdawg48:
If you are Democrat or Republican, I wouldn't trust Fox News either way! It is junk, and is literally on the verge of Paparazzi news!

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October 19, 2009
Media Wars: White House Crosses the Line
By Tom Bevan

Every White House complains about its press coverage. A contentious relationship between the Executive Branch and a free and independent media is part of America's DNA. Always has been.

But this White House seems to feel they're different. It's not just that the current occupant of the Oval Office has a particularly thin skin when it comes to criticism - which is especially ironic given that he's been the recipient of more glowing press coverage than possibly any candidate or president in modern American history. But not since Nixon conjured up an "enemies list" have we seen the full weight of the Office of the Presidency brought to bear in such a targeted and deliberate effort to delegitimize a media organization critical of the President.

When Communications Director Anita Dunn first announced the White House's war against FOX News last week, many people from across the political spectrum dismissed it as silly. But two of the administration's heaviest hitters, Senior Advisor David Axelrod and Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel, went on the Sunday talk shows and made clear that the White House's attempt to delegitimize FOX News is deadly serious.

On This Week, Axelrod told George Stephanopoulos: "[FOX News] is not really a news station. It's not just their commentators but a lot of their news programming it's really not news it's pushing a point of view. "

Emanuel echoed the line to John King on CNN's State of the Union: "The way the president looks at it - we look at it - it's not a news organization so much as it has a perspective."

And MSNBC doesn't push a certain "perspective?" What about the New York Times? The idea that FOX News's perspective disqualifies it as a "legitimate" news operation lays bare the manipulation and hypocrisy at work here. The White House is all for news organizations taking certain "perspectives" - so long as they're favorable to the administration's agenda.

The current presidency, as much perhaps as any in history, is built upon the foundation of the President's personal popularity. President Obama has, out of necessity, become the Salesman-in-Chief for his progressive agenda. But as the White House continues to struggle adjusting to the reality of governing versus campaigning, it is either unwilling or unable to brook criticism of the President or his policies. Thus FOX News is targeted as the enemy.

The White House's direct attack on FOX News is only part of the strategy. As Axelrod and Emanuel made clear yesterday, they also want to drive a wedge between the rest of the media and FOX News, enlisting other television networks in the effort to paint FOX News as illegitimate.

Axelrod went out of his way to suggest to Stephanopoulos that ABC News adopt the White House strategy and not treat FOX News as legitimate. "The bigger thing is," Axelrod said, "other news organizations, like yours, ought not to treat them that way. We're not going to treat them that way. "

Emanuel suggested the same to John King later in their interview: "And more importantly is not have the CNN's and others in the world basically be led and following FOX, as if what they're trying to do is a legitimate news organization, in the sense of both sides and a sense of valued opinion."

It's actually quite brazen when you think about it. The two most senior members of the Obama White House - men who control all the information and access to the Executive Branch, the lifeblood of most news organizations - went on national television and suggested that ABC, CNN and other networks follow the White House's lead and join in its war to marginalize a competitor because it takes a "perspective" that displeases the President.

Such tactics may not be frowned upon by brass-knuckle operatives working for the political machine in a one party town. But it's different when you're the President of the United States. Most Americans of all political stripes don't want to see the President using the majesty and power of his office for heavy handed attacks on any organization simply because it has been critical of the President.

In other words, the White House's strategy may be the Chicago way, but it isn't the American way.

http://www.realclearpolitics.c..._fox_news_98777.html

I guess our "Coward-in-Chief would rather bash a News company than prove them wrong!

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Originally posted by jlennerth82:
Fox News is known to be a part of the Right Wing propaganda machine. Any network that has Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly as their star "talk show"/"news reporters" is obviously a faction of the Right Wing machine. Obama has as good of a chance at getting a fair shake as, an ice cube in Hell on that network.

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Originally posted by Me4president:

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Originally posted by jlennerth82:
Fox News is known to be a part of the Right Wing propaganda machine. Any network that has Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly as their star "talk show"/"news reporters" is obviously a faction of the Right Wing machine. Obama has as good of a chance at getting a fair shake as, an ice cube in Hell on that network.

I know we only have 2 major political parties here in the U.S. but the political spectrum is not just right and left. It is North, East, South and West. O'Reilly and Beck may agree on some issues, but they are hardly of the same political view. In fact, they argue quite a bit.

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Originally posted by TonyB1972:
I think O'Reilly is a lot better than Beck, personally.

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Every 10mins he feels the need to tell people that he is really tall in person... [/color]

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Originally posted by TonyB1972:
I think O'Reilly is a lot better than Beck, personally.

Beck has more entertainment/comedic value than O'Reilly. Bill is just such a tool it's hard to watch him for very long. Every 10mins he feels the need to tell people that he is really tall in person...