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Friday, August 22, 2008
BARACK OBAMA Obama, Fan of Chinese Ports, Trains, and Airports Obama, yesterday: "Everybody's watching what's going on in Beijing right now with the Olympics , Think about the amount of money that China has spent on infrastructure. Their ports, their train systems, their airports are vastly the superior to us now, which means if you are a corporation deciding where to do business, you're starting to think, 'Beijing looks like a pretty good option.'" Ed and Hugh object, with the latter noting Obama "ignores how those structures were assembled, the source and conditions of the labor, the lack of pollution controls in Beijing and throughout China, the many complaints that Chinese infrastructure outside the Olympics zone remains shoddy, the recent record of Chinese manufacturing scandals, including the heparin fiasco which killed many Americans, and of course the catastrophe brought about by Chinese building standards in the region rocked by the recent earthquake." But beyond that, let's look at Obama's examples of Chinese excellence... "Their ports..." Reuters, July 11: "Severe power shortages across China, especially in the manufacturing hub and export engine of Guangdong, are expected to add further pressure on exports in the second half of the year." "Their train systems..." CNN, January 28: In the southern city of Guangzhou, as many as 500,000 train passengers were stranded the past few days when a power failure in neighboring Hunan province crippled the regular train services, local officials said. About 100,000 passengers packed the square in front of the train station while others found shelter in schools and other public buildings while waiting for their trains. "Their airports..." Australia's ABC News, July 29, 2008: "Scores of Chinese air passengers have smashed computers and desks and clashed with police after a night stranded at an airport without accommodation, state media said... Frustration at mysterious delays, diversions and cancellations have at times boiled over into violence at Chinese airports as passengers try to storm grounded aircraft and police are brought in to keep the peace. There have also been cases in which passengers, after delayed arrivals, have refused to get off the planes in protest." ... "are vastly the superior to us now." Yes, their power outages, crowds at train stations, and outbreaks of air rage are vastly superior to ours. http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2UzMjJk...NDc0ZWJhMmY1NTM5NWU= Seems like the Messiah-Tse-Tung can't get enough of those Communist. |
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Not surprising really. Marxist or Maoist. It's only a matter of who and how many people he will be willing to kill. ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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He's a fool. Wonder how many of the main stream media will report this outrage? Answer: None. |
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They'll have to run McCain ads that use it. They can't refuse to run campaign ads. ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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They developed later than most, if not all U.S. cities, of course the stuff is going to be newer.
You guys are funny, if he talked about which leg he likes to put in his pants first, it would be funny and show he isn't fit to be president. I am sure that little comment is all he said, he couldn't possibly have also been talking about trying to upgrade some of our infastructer too? Sorry I interrupted your love fest with each other, continue. |
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Also, the quip by Obama stating that "...it isn't surprising why business would want to go there" won't sit well with those in union states like Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York.
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Well, if someone said you can have this 1980 Chevy Cavalier, or a brand new BMW.....Most would take the BMW.
Obama was more stern with his stance on Bush boycotting the ceremonies in Beijing than McCain, and this is from FOX. Link: http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2008Apr09/0,4670,CandidatesOlympics,00.html p.s. Where is the link for the quotes? I like reading the whole thing....I am looking for it. Also those people being high and mighty, forget we have a lot of stuff in the U.S. that was built by people being mistreated and oppressed that is still standing. I don't condone it, but you know glass house and all. |
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Rush played that all day yesterday. You should really try to develop your own thoughts from time to time. Reasonable people understood the comments to mean if you want business to thrive you need to develop and maintain the infrastructure. Rush turned it into Obama waving Chairman Mao's Little Red Book and preaching communism. And of course you swallowed it hook line and sinker. Try to find some different sources of information. Really, it's unhealthy to have some just reinforce what you want to believe all the time. And before you say it, I know you'll think it's me who gets biased info.
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How would a link to the video of Him giving the speech do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-IvjXnkHwA ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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Watch for where he waves the Little Red Book. How dare he have an American flag in the background.  |
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Infrastructure?
How about the infrastructure of rural China in this report from the BBC. Yes, Obama bought into the horse & pony show that is the Beijing Olympics. ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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Maybe this one from NPR suits you better.
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OH you mean the 27 second snippit? That takes it out of context? I found that, I also found the first 4ish minutes of the speech where he condemns jobs moving over seas, and how bad the economy is and policies that have allowed this. So I highly doubt he was touting businesses moving over seas. link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlZ-_Sstt5I This 4ish minutes are the opening, so use some logic and quit being a lemming. You want to say how you don't agree with something, sure go for it...This is just a cheesy trick piece, and if you don't realize that, then you seem to be yourself what you accuse others of. |
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That doesn't change anything.
5 million being rich? (Obama and his wife made more than $4 million last year is a common man) Houses? (not sure what anything matters, unless you have the help of a conman helping you buy your house) Economy fundamentally sound? Nothing wrong with this belief. The economy is fundamentally sound. The problem is those like Obama who think that China is a place to emulate. Of course, Obama doesn't really want to do so because you can say goodbye to your freedoms. Environmental laws? They don't exist. Labor laws? You can literally be worked to death for pennies/hour. You think the Chinese have a 40-hour work week and labor laws that protect workers, children or anyone? Our government is corrupt but it can't hold a candle to the Chinese. If we just burn the oppressive U.S. Constitution, repeal all environmental protections and enslave our people, we too could be like the Chinese! Truth be known, if we followed the Chinese example, you would be rotting in prison. ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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Anarchy it's hard to respect that you are sooo one sided in your condemnation yet you claim to support neither candidate. You're basically a "Rush head". This is like word for word what he said yesterday. Mega-dittos dude. |
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Obama and his wife made 4 million, so according to McCain he is middle class....But McCain's people have been making light of him being rich, snobbish and out of touch due to making that money....So which is it?
If thinking we need to spend money on infrastructure is wanting to emulate China, then I guess hes guilty. Be such a bad thing to do, shame on him. I am glad the economy is rolling right along, and we don't have a bunch of people that have lost jobs, that have gone over seas, and they didn't lose their house. Whew...I feel better. I also heard the federal deficiet is a figment of imagination also, click them ruby red shoes and it never happend. Burn the constitution? You mean like Bush has been doing? I will rewrite the bill, then sign the bottom, everything is ok now! Keep that lemming falling! |
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I don't recall McCain stating where the line for middle-class begins, but apparently Obama has you believing that $5-mil was where the "rich" mark began.
You don't have to be rich to be snobbish and out of touch. Personally, I think that making $4 million a year would put you into a class where you shouldn't be hurting for anything, anywhere in the world. But, that's just my thoughts on it. I guess that the next thing Obama will say is, McCain, he doesn't know how to use e-mail, he's out of touch. I know people who know much about e-mail but don't use it. I haven't lost my job and I make a good living. The jobs going overseas is a travesty, but I will be frank with you. Often, the American worker is pricing themselves out of a job. When a company cannot be profitable due to labor costs then they will seek out cheaper employees. What do you suggest the nation do when one of the automotive giants (I think it will be GM) goes under? A local plant here is going to close because the union demanded higher pay rates for their workers. The plant that is closing makes transmission parts for GM cars. The simple fact is, the company was hemorrhaging cash at this plant. It's going to be ugly. Let me ask you something. If you had the choice to live on 1/3 less or lose your job, what would you choose? Essentially, would you rather keep your job making $17/hr or stick to your guns at $25/hr and lose that job? Hey! Maybe you don't buy that Chinese made 50" Plasma TV next time. You want me to have pity for lots of fools who outspent their resources? You're looking to the wrong person. I've busted my tookus to get where I am and I expect nothing from anyone. If you are losing your house, it's because you spent more than you took in or didn't bust your hump enough and expect a hand-up because you made some bad decisions. If you're losing your ob because you are overpaid and the company you work for is losing piles of cash because it can't afford to pay the workers the wages that they are, then maybe these overpaid workers need to decide what they want? A job and their house or their pride. This message has been edited. Last edited by: anarchy2day, ---------- Pan Obama, hovorite po anglický? |
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Nice generalizations!
Everyone that has lost a job outpriced themselves. I am glad it was never ownership or anything else. I am relieved to hear that no one ever loses a job that works hard also, whew! For every generalization you make, the opposite can be made. Maybe McCain has you spoon fed that its mental. If I was asking for $25/hr and I knew I could go elsewhere and make it, I may give some loyalty leeway of a couple dollars if the company treated me right. You work to make money, if you are not being paid a fair wage for your skills, you move on if you don't get it. As for the lower job wages, its hard to compete when a country pays the average worker lower than minimum wage for some jobs. I guess the worker/employee should break the law and work for under minimum wage? Brilliant! I am sure glad its all the overpaid, whiney workers fault everytime. No one that ever worked hard has lost a job. People should be willing to work for under minimum wage to match Mexico/China/India wages, or its their fault. Next time I hear someone has died, I will rudely tell their family that they didn't fight hard enough to live, its their fault, using this logic. |
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Here here Anarchy. Personal responsability, what a concept.
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