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Impact hit: Hall's clutch sack heralds Browns rookie's growing role

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Browns rookie linebacker Alex Hall has impressed veteran teammate Andra Davis: "He's doing way more than what people expected out of him coming from a small college."

If not for rookie linebacker Alex Hall, the Browns might very well be 0-4 right now, scratching their heads and wondering what to blow up first.
Instead, Hall made the play that sealed the Browns' 20-12 victory over the Bengals and calmed the troubled waters heading into the bye week.

With the Browns clinging precariously to a 17-12 lead in the fourth quarter and the Bengals driving, Hall blasted in from the left side on third down, grabbed quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick by the leg, sacked him for a nine-yard loss and forced him to fumble. Corey Williams fell on the loose ball at the Bengals 19 and the Browns went on to kick a field goal that produced the final margin.

"They had just scored a drive earlier and were pressing to come back and a couple of guys were like, 'we've got to get off the field,'" said Hall. "So I just went out there did it -- tackled the quarterback."


It was the second time in two weeks that the wide-eyed rookie had a sack, the first coming during his first NFL start in Baltimore in place of the injured Willie McGinest (hamstring). On a third-down play in the fourth quarter, he was cut by fullback Le'Ron McClain, spilled to the ground, popped back up, leaped over McClain and smothered Joe Flacco for a 7-yard loss.

In that game, a 28-10 loss, Hall finished with seven tackles, one for a loss, the sack and two quarterback hits. On a second-quarter drive, with the Browns up, 10-7, Hall almost single-handedly blew up a drive, pressuring Flacco into an incompletion on first down and then hurrying him into a short throw to end the series.

"Alex has been a good surprise for us," said General Manager Phil Savage. "He's made a name for himself in the early portion of the season. His sack-fumble really kind of sealed the deal. We have very high hopes for him."

Joshua Gunter/The Plain DealerAlex Hall's sack and strip of Bengals QB Ryan Fitzpatrick sealed the Browns' first victory of 2008 on Sunday.
In training camp, the Browns knew they were onto something with Hall, their seventh-round pick out of tiny Division II St. Augustine, but envisioned him as a project who would come along throughout the season. However, thanks to a season-ending injury to Antwan Peek (knee) and McGinest's hamstring, he was thrust into the starting lineup in Week 3.
"He's already jumping over people for sacks, sealing victories and making impact plays," said one NFL source. "And he came from an incredibly small school."

Just how tiny is St. Augustine, in Raleigh, N.C.? Official enrollment this year is 1,400 and Hall played his college games at Broughton High School Stadium, seating capacity 2,800.

"Pretty remarkable," said the source.

Of course, Hall, a rush-end in college, is still incredibly raw. After praising his game-saving play in Cincinnati, Crennel then said, "he also made a couple of plays that hurt us."

Such as?

"It's the run some and it's the pass drops and assignments other times," said Crennel. "This is a pretty big chunk that he's bitten off. Now he's at the top level of football playing linebacker which involves drops, reading patterns, rushing the passer, playing the run, formation recognition, and it adds up quite a bit. But if continues to work and play this way, he'll be a good player for us."

One huge bonus for Hall has been learning from Pro Bowler McGinest, who helps him on the sidelines after almost every series. McGinest, who hopes to return for the Giants game, talks to him about "formations, alignments, stuff that's going on in the game. It's still early, but he's got a lot of raw talent. When he really starts to learn and understand all the things that are going on, he's going to be very good."


If Hall -- who will probably rotate in when McGinest returns -- continues to progress, the Browns hope to spring Kamerion Wimbley from having to face the left tackle every week and get him more mismatched on backs and tight ends. As it is, Hall and Wimbley have flip-flopped with McGinest out.

"As Alex develops and begins to master more things, we'll probably be able to free up Kamerion to do more in terms of movement," said Savage. "I'm not convinced that he's going to be able to pass-rush a left tackle 55 plays in a row and get there that often."

Some folks have taken to calling Hall "Baby Kam," Wimbley said. At 6-5, 250, he's similar in build to Wimbley, but two inches taller and five pounds lighter.

"A lot of people talk about the similarities between us, so if teams think of him as another threat, that's great," said Wimbley.

The emergence of Hall has not only been a bright spot in a dismal first quarter, but also gives the Browns some production from their second day-only draft. With fourth-rounders Beau Bell and Martin Rucker both recovering from knee surgeries, Hall has been the only significant contributor, although sixth-rounder Ahtyba Rubin is now subbing at nose tackle.

"He's doing way more than what people expected out of him coming from a small college," said linebacker Andra Davis. "On top of that, he's a really good guy, very funny, but humble. We've seen the potential in him from day one."




Thank you Phil Savage for finding another steal!

imo, we have to give some credit to our seasoned veteran McGinest, probably another reason why he is coming along so fast

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One huge bonus for Hall has been learning from Pro Bowler McGinest, who helps him on the sidelines after almost every series. McGinest, who hopes to return for the Giants game, talks to him about "formations, alignments, stuff that's going on in the game. It's still early, but he's got a lot of raw talent. When he really starts to learn and understand all the things that are going on, he's going to be very good."


unfortunately, we don't have a lot of the (McGinest type) veterans who can coach up young players, like a majority of the NFL teams from all of our years of rebuilding. In contrast, I watched a inside training camp report with the enemy steelers and why Tomlin was able to succeed so well last year. Their players like hines ward, james farrior, spoke about how steelers veterans coached them up when they arrived, and they enjoy coaching up the rookies how to play the steelers way, including getting after them during practice and during games. With the Browns lack of continuity, we just don't have the same ability, but luckily we a few guys like JJ (who we miss now) and McGinest helping along the way.

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Way to go Alex!!

I'll admit I was wrong on this one. No way did I think a guy like this could have such an immediate impact. Hells yeah!



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actually phil savage sucks!!! Savage said that the 7th was a throw-away pick so he let his scouts decide it.

one of his scouts said he would bet his career on Hall so Savage took him, fortunately

the dude deserves a raise !!
 
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actually phil savage sucks!!! Savage said that the 7th was a throw-away pick so he let his scouts decide it.

one of his scouts said he would bet his career on Hall so Savage took him, fortunately

the dude deserves a raise !!


Care to provide some proof in the form of a link or a source?



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I just hope Hall doesn't get stuck on the bench when McGinest comes back. Hall doesn't have McGinest's experience, and he won't get it on the sideline. His athleticism can make up a big part of the difference though.


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More Hall notes from ESPN:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=hotread3/rookies

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Under the radar: Rarely does a seventh-round pick become the most productive rookie in a team's draft class, but that has been the case so far for Cleveland Browns outside linebacker Alex Hall. The small-school product from St. Augustine impressed coaches early in mini-camp and has earned significant playing time this season. Hall is tied with Shaun Rogers for the team lead in sacks with two and reminds the Browns' coaching staff of a raw version of teammate Kamerion Wimbley.



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Care to provide some proof in the form of a link or a source?


If you recall, Savage considered that a "throw away" pick, so he was letting his scouts debate who to take. Bobby Vega, one of our college scouts is quoted as saying "I'll stake my career on Alex Hall", and thus was the reason we took him.

Phil Savage did not make the pick and only scouted Hall once--at the behest of Vega who was so impressed with Hall's phsyicality.

go ask bobby or the cleveland writers covering the draft
 
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This is why you must provide a link. Cleary your memory of "stake my career" and "throw away pick" nonsense is WAY off. That's no surprise to me because your short time here has proven your mistaken more than not. He said I'll put my "reputation" on Hall.


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Browns General Manager Phil Savage will never forget the moment he became convinced that little-known rookie linebacker Alex Hall was going to become a longtime NFL player.


It was the Wednesday before the NFL draft, when most GMs are watching last-minute film and putting the finishing touches on their draft boards.

But Savage, without any picks in the first three rounds, had extra time on his hands, so he flew to Maryland to work out a lanky defensive end that scout Bobby Vega felt could become a good outside linebacker in a 3-4 scheme.

Savage showed up for the workout at a community college near Hall's hometown of Glenarden, Md., toting a bag stuffed with cones and a football.

The field was clumpy and unmarked, but it would have to do. To get Hall warmed up, Savage asked him to run through the cones and accelerate at the end. Problem was, he didn't have any markers to start and end the drill. So, he dropped the bag at the beginning and the ball at the end.

"I said, 'When you get to the last cone, just accelerate through the ball,' " recalled Savage.

As instructed, Hall chopped through the cones and sped up at the end, but instead of blowing past the ball, he reached down and scooped it up like an eagle swooping down for a fish.

"I kind of chuckled to myself and said, 'Hey, Alex, you didn't have to pick up the ball, but that was pretty good.' "

Savage put Hall through 30 more minutes of linebacker drills, but he had already gotten what he came for.

"I was like, 'This kid is 6-5, he's 255, he runs fast, he's got 11-inch hands,' " said Savage. "But what really stuck out in my mind was that ability to bend."



Afterward, Savage told Hall, from Division II St. Augustine's in Raleigh, N.C., that he'd probably be with an NFL team in four days because he had the measurables - talent, temperament and solid background to make it in the NFL.



"I told him, 'You're going to play in this league seven or eight years, and I can tell the story of how I came over and worked you out a couple of days before the draft,' " Savage said.

On the second day of the draft, Savage sat on Hall until the seventh round and called him about 10 minutes before the pick. About eight to 10 teams had called in the last 30 minutes, all wanting him to be a free agent.

"I said, 'You can tell them that they're wasting their time because we're getting ready to pick you in about five minutes,' " Savage recalled. "He covered up the phone and told his family, and the place erupted."

In the months leading up to the draft, the Browns had their eye on three small-school pass-rushers recommended by Vega. They were Vince Redd from Liberty, Brian Smith from McNeese State and Hall. Savage made it to Liberty and McNeese, but never found his way to tiny St. Augustine's. So, he asked Vega which one of the three he liked best. "Bobby said, 'I'm going to put my reputation on Hall,' " recalled Savage.

So far in camp, Hall has made Vega look like a genius. In the first week, Hall - who had 26 sacks and 51 tackles for a loss in college - burst into the backfield and intercepted a Brady Quinn pass screen pass. During Family Night, he had a would-be sack of Ken Dorsey, and in practice he's shown good speed off the edge.

"The kid has come here and done a lot of nice things," said Savage. "You can't help but notice him. The fact that he's working with Kamerion Wimbley, Willie McGinest and Antwan Peek - this has been a great situation for him."

With Peek (knee) out until the opener, Hall will get some reps in Peek's place behind McGinest on the left side, along with David McMillan. Until now, he's been working behind Wimbley on the right side.

"Obviously the real evaluation is going to be the games, but I really feel it in my bones that this guy is a legitimate prospect," said Savage. "Kamerion was the 13th pick in the draft and Alex was 231st. You can make a case that they should've been a lot closer. Based off what he's done thus far, Hall probably could've been a mid-round pick."

Hall is used to being overlooked. He wasn't recruited as a 190-pounder coming out of Maryland's C.H. Flowers High School, where he was known more for basketball. It wasn't until a recruiting fair at a church that St. Augustine's coach Michael Costa tabbed him to help the school get its 2-year-old program off the ground. Red-shirted as a tight end, he then switched to defensive end, where he ranked in the top 20 in the nation in tackles for loss each of his last three years.

"Hall is football player and a really good one," said Costa, who attended practice Thursday along with three of his assistants. "He's got determination, he's very competitive, and he'll give you everything he has. He's also a very good young man."

Hall graduated with a history degree and is polite, respectful and quiet. He acknowledges he has a ways to go, but Savage has been impressed with his adjustment to the two-point stance, where he's learning to jam tight ends, drop into the flat and read the back's release.

"It's all out in front of him," said Savage. "To what level he can get this year, I don't know, but he's got good talent and we're really excited about him."

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:



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Hall is very impressive-the real deal, not a project. He's our most productive pass rusher.

Getting the injury behind Rucker will help our receiving corps.

Beau who?
 
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Score one for BpG Big Grin!


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Score one for BpG Big Grin!


what the hell are u talking about...it s exactly how i said it
 
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Is it? Big Grin

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actually phil savage sucks!!! Savage said that the 7th was a throw-away pick so he let his scouts decide it.

one of his scouts said he would bet his career on Hall so Savage took him, fortunately



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"stake my career" and "throw away pick"

He said I'll put my "reputation" on Hall.


pure semantics my dear watson Big Grin
 
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Yea man Hall is the truth so far.Man i feel bad for Mcmillan it seems like he's been here for ever and its always someone to come and take his chance.LOL.Well who cares Hall is a stud so far man i love the guy.
 
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daDawga... you got pwned! Sounds like Savage had a lot to do with Hall getting drafted and does deserve credit for listening to his scouts and going out to work Hall out prior to the draft.


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"stake my career" and "throw away pick"

He said I'll put my "reputation" on Hall.


pure semantics my dear watson Big Grin


You might want to look up the definition of "semantics". You said Savage sucks,that he thought of the seventh as a throwaway and let his scouts make the pick. You were incorrect. Savage worked Hall out,took Vega's opinion under advisement and made the pick.
Calling out Savage for mistakes is fine,but Hall isn't one of them man.


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PWNED!!!
 
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Big Grin way to bust daDawga in a lie, but then again, he's just another troll quickly learning if you lie you will be exposed. HAHAHA


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man can i attack the education system in the US....

its clear savage is taking credit from others Big Grin
 
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