One theory some fans have is that the running game would benefit with DA, since opossing defenses respect his arm more and can not concentrate only on stopping the run.

Here are the stats, the first 3 with BQ, and the last 2 with DA. Yes, you can argue that there the defenses DA have faced are softer, but I still think it is quite interesing:

Against the Vikings 20 rushes, 89 yds
Against the Broncos 21 rushes, 54 yds
Against the Ravens 23 rushes, 71 yds

Against the Bengals 33 rushes, 146 yds
Against the Billes, 41 rushes, 171 yds

Well actually the third game BQ only played half, but when DA entered the game, it was obvious the running game was abandoned already...

Against the Bills they were stacking the box with 8+ guys each time, and DA only completed 2 passes.

I think it's more just with Mack learning how to play at an NFL level and the line gelling overall.

But that's just my opinion.

Considering the D's BQ was facing are TOP run defenses plus the # of carries. Hard to make a fair assessment but the DA lovers WILL try. Nobody will sell me on that crap BQ can't throw deep.

BQ can't throw deep. In the NFL the windows are much tighter, and only open for a second. Quinn has never shown great accuracy on the intermediate to deep throws and that was always a knock on him coming out of ND.

Throw in the fact that he has problems keeping his eyes downfield and you have full-bore bust potential.

Part of the reason we have better rushing with DA in, is that we were actually able to sustain drives. Not so much in the Buffalo game, cuz we were plagued with Braylonitus (dropsies to the layman); but certainly in the Cincy game.

The fact that he stretches to defense also contributes to greater run after catch on the underneath throws.

Overall, DA gives us a more dynamic offense where all the players have more opportunity to make something happen once they get the ball. He spaces out the D and creates plenty of lanes for our ball carriers/pass-catchers.

I think that this coming week will be a close game similar to the last two. As long as we stay with DA, we will field a competitive team.

He needs better effort from his pass-catchers though.

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Originally posted by Tyler_Durden:
BQ can't throw deep. In the NFL the windows are much tighter, and only open for a second. Quinn has never shown great accuracy on the intermediate to deep throws and that was always a knock on him coming out of ND.

Throw in the fact that he has problems keeping his eyes downfield and you have full-bore bust potential.

Part of the reason we have better rushing with DA in, is that we were actually able to sustain drives. Not so much in the Buffalo game, cuz we were plagued with Braylonitus (dropsies to the layman); but certainly in the Cincy game.

The fact that he stretches to defense also contributes to greater run after catch on the underneath throws.

Overall, DA gives us a more dynamic offense where all the players have more opportunity to make something happen once they get the ball. He spaces out the D and creates plenty of lanes for our ball carriers/pass-catchers.

I think that this coming week will be a close game similar to the last two. As long as we stay with DA, we will field a competitive team.

He needs better effort from his pass-catchers though.

Great way to put all of that... absolutely true. Especially the last statement. A lot of them are young though, so it should get better.

Quinn is a chump folks, get over it. DA at least has SOME winning potential. Today was awful all around, for both teams, however... but we got the W. That's what matters in the end.

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Originally posted by Myka:
Against the Bills they were stacking the box with 8+ guys each time, and DA only completed 2 passes.

I think it's more just with Mack learning how to play at an NFL level and the line gelling overall.

No question the line beginning to gel played a roll, but the deep threat that DA poses plays a roll as well.

I don't think teams ever over stack the line with DA in the game. In the Bills game they didn't start out stacking the line, but once it became obvios that the Browns were intent on running the ball they did start to stack the line, even then they had to be aware of the danger of DA tourching them deep.

Not to mention the Bills still have a solid group of DB's, so leaving them on an island against our young recievers isn't the threat that it once was with BE and KW2..

JMHO

But that's just my opinion.

quote:

Originally posted by Panama Dawg:
One theory some fans have is that the running game would benefit with DA, since opossing defenses respect his arm more and can not concentrate only on stopping the run.

Here are the stats, the first 3 with BQ, and the last 2 with DA. Yes, you can argue that there the defenses DA have faced are softer, but I still think it is quite interesing:

Against the Vikings 20 rushes, 89 yds
Against the Broncos 21 rushes, 54 yds
Against the Ravens 23 rushes, 71 yds

Against the Bengals 33 rushes, 146 yds
Against the Billes, 41 rushes, 171 yds

Well actually the third game BQ only played half, but when DA entered the game, it was obvious the running game was abandoned already...

What this has the most to do with is TIME OF POSSESSION!! GO LOOK AT THE TIME OF POSSESSION FOR THESE GAMES!!! with BQ we had so many more 3 and outs which gave us less plays to run, causing less running plays and I'm sure less passing plays also with DA in there we have been moving the ball and consuming some time, ALSO I think our O-Line has stepped up the past two games both in pass protection and opening holes

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I think our O-Line has stepped up the past two games both in pass protection and opening holes

Doesn't this comment reinforce what Vers has been saying that the offense prefers DA over BQ?

Since we really haven't had a real QB in 40 years,I would like to see some stud running backs drafted.
I'm pretty tired of nobody's at QB and running back.
Just draft O lineman and Running backs,and forget wasting money on QB's and receivers.
Watching us score field goals is pathetic.

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Originally posted by daytnabacker:
Considering the D's BQ was facing are TOP run defenses plus the # of carries. Hard to make a fair assessment but the DA lovers WILL try. Nobody will sell me on that crap BQ can't throw deep.

LOL

the reason he dropped in the draft =arm strength, accuracy.

quote:

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden:
BQ can't throw deep. In the NFL the windows are much tighter, and only open for a second. Quinn has never shown great accuracy on the intermediate to deep throws and that was always a knock on him coming out of ND.

Throw in the fact that he has problems keeping his eyes downfield and you have full-bore bust potential.

Part of the reason we have better rushing with DA in, is that we were actually able to sustain drives. Not so much in the Buffalo game, cuz we were plagued with Braylonitus (dropsies to the layman); but certainly in the Cincy game.

The fact that he stretches to defense also contributes to greater run after catch on the underneath throws.

Overall, DA gives us a more dynamic offense where all the players have more opportunity to make something happen once they get the ball. He spaces out the D and creates plenty of lanes for our ball carriers/pass-catchers.

I think that this coming week will be a close game similar to the last two. As long as we stay with DA, we will field a competitive team.

He needs better effort from his pass-catchers though.

you are the best, anytime this arguement breaks out on any of our forums, we need to just copy paste this on there.

quote:

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden:


Part of the reason we have better rushing with DA in, is that we were actually able to sustain drives.

2-12 28 yards 1 Int. How many sustain drives were thhere?


The fact that he stretches to defense also contributes to greater run after catch on the underneath throws.


2-12 28 yards 1 Int. How many great runs after catch were there?


Overall, DA gives us a more dynamic offense where all the players have more opportunity to make something happen once they get the ball. He spaces out the D and creates plenty of lanes for our ball carriers/pass-catchers.


Once again 2-12 28 yards 1 Int. Where were all the spaces and the lanes he created?

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Originally posted by Vambo:

quote:

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden:


Part of the reason we have better rushing with DA in, is that we were actually able to sustain drives.

2-12 28 yards 1 Int. How many sustain drives were thhere?


The fact that he stretches to defense also contributes to greater run after catch on the underneath throws.


2-12 28 yards 1 Int. How many great runs after catch were there?


Overall, DA gives us a more dynamic offense where all the players have more opportunity to make something happen once they get the ball. He spaces out the D and creates plenty of lanes for our ball carriers/pass-catchers.


Once again 2-12 28 yards 1 Int. Where were all the spaces and the lanes he created?

Here we have it folks,Vambo, BQ's boyfriend he fails to realize that 9 dropped passes by our receivers are the reason for DA's bad stats, and for the INT it just died in the wind I was at the game the winds were 25 MPH++

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Originally posted by bignose123:

Here we have it folks,Vambo, BQ's boyfriend

Third grade SMACK really?

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Originally posted by Vambo:

quote:

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden:


Part of the reason we have better rushing with DA in, is that we were actually able to sustain drives.

2-12 28 yards 1 Int. How many sustain drives were thhere?


The fact that he stretches to defense also contributes to greater run after catch on the underneath throws.


2-12 28 yards 1 Int. How many great runs after catch were there?


Overall, DA gives us a more dynamic offense where all the players have more opportunity to make something happen once they get the ball. He spaces out the D and creates plenty of lanes for our ball carriers/pass-catchers.


Once again 2-12 28 yards 1 Int. Where were all the spaces and the lanes he created?

Third grade responses, REALLY???!??!?!

quote:

Originally posted by bignose123:


he fails to realize that 9 dropped passes by our receivers are[b] the reason for DA's bad stats, and for the INT it just died in the wind I was at the game the winds were 25 MPH++

So if it was so windy wouldn't a smart QB realize his passes would die in the wind and not throw them?

And if 90% of your passes the receivers are dropping then a SMART QB would take some speed off the ball.

quote:

Originally posted by Vambo:

quote:

Originally posted by bignose123:


he fails to realize that 9 dropped passes by our receivers are[b] the reason for DA's bad stats, and for the INT it just died in the wind I was at the game the winds were 25 MPH++

So if it was so windy wouldn't a smart QB realize his passes would die in the wind and not throw them?

And if 90% of your passes the receivers are dropping then a SMART QB would take some speed off the ball.

How do you know it was speed that was the problem? Did you not watch the postgame interviews? Stuckey said his two drops were his fault, the should have been touchdown to Royal was clearly his fault it was a 40 yard pass how can you take speed off of that? and there wasn't wind and then he threw it and in the air the wind picked up.... again I was at the game you could clearly tell that INT was the winds fault and also notice how trent edwards only threw one pass over 20 yards? the rest of his completions were screen passes and such which his receivers caught

quote:

Originally posted by bignose123:


How do you know it was speed that was the problem? Did you not watch the postgame interviews? Stuckey said his two drops were his fault,


HE's going to toss his guy under the buss on national TV?

the should have been touchdown to Royal was clearly his fault it was a 40 yard pass how can you take speed off of that?

Royal is a blocking TE, he was never known for his pass catching.

and there wasn't wind and then he threw it and in the air the wind picked up.... again I was at the game you could clearly tell that INT was the winds fault

Why throw the ball deep if it is going to die in the wind?

and also notice how trent edwards only threw one pass over 20 yards? the rest of his completions were screen passes and such which his receivers caught

And he had better passing stats than DA didn't he?

quote:

Originally posted by aspiclark:

quote:

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden:
BQ can't throw deep. In the NFL the windows are much tighter, and only open for a second. Quinn has never shown great accuracy on the intermediate to deep throws and that was always a knock on him coming out of ND.

Throw in the fact that he has problems keeping his eyes downfield and you have full-bore bust potential.

Part of the reason we have better rushing with DA in, is that we were actually able to sustain drives. Not so much in the Buffalo game, cuz we were plagued with Braylonitus (dropsies to the layman); but certainly in the Cincy game.

The fact that he stretches to defense also contributes to greater run after catch on the underneath throws.

Overall, DA gives us a more dynamic offense where all the players have more opportunity to make something happen once they get the ball. He spaces out the D and creates plenty of lanes for our ball carriers/pass-catchers.

I think that this coming week will be a close game similar to the last two. As long as we stay with DA, we will field a competitive team.

He needs better effort from his pass-catchers though.

Great way to put all of that... absolutely true. Especially the last statement. A lot of them are young though, so it should get better.

Quinn is a chump folks, get over it. DA at least has SOME winning potential. Today was awful all around, for both teams, however... but we got the W. That's what matters in the end.

Totally agree. It is easy to run the ball when a defense has to respect the deep ball. Even with how poorly our passing attack was executing in Buffalo, it was rare to see a legit 8 or 9 in the box like we saw when BQ was in.

quote:

Originally posted by Panama Dawg:
One theory some fans have is that the running game would benefit with DA, since opossing defenses respect his arm more and can not concentrate only on stopping the run.

Here are the stats, the first 3 with BQ, and the last 2 with DA. Yes, you can argue that there the defenses DA have faced are softer, but I still think it is quite interesing:

Against the Vikings 20 rushes, 89 yds
Against the Broncos 21 rushes, 54 yds
Against the Ravens 23 rushes, 71 yds

Against the Bengals 33 rushes, 146 yds
Against the Billes, 41 rushes, 171 yds

Well actually the third game BQ only played half, but when DA entered the game, it was obvious the running game was abandoned already...

Panama Dawg.... how's life in Panama!

the main reason why their were less rushing attempts in the 3 games that Quinn did start, is because we fell behind by more than 2 tds into the 3rd qtr, whereas Derek's 2 starts its been close game all the way thru, thus the team doesnt have to abandon the running play calling.

we did abandon it too early in the Minnesota game, as Lewis had 55 yards at halftime on 10 carries. take out Cribbs 16 yd run in the bronc game, Lewis was pretty much stopped by them.

Bengals game, much better play calling was involved, good mix of run and pass.

yesterday, the Bills LB's and secondary was hurting as they started 5 new players. But with the running plays, we did kill alot of the clock, made the game shorter and thankfully came out on top.

Now we have Womack back. Fraley can come in and sub for 3 guys (Womack, Mack, Steinbach) and i think we can pound the ball with Lewis and Harrison. the more we run the ball (and run it in every direction, but mostly preferred to the left side) the better our defense will be throughout the game and into the season. Besides the Bills, the rest of our early opponents are team that are good and have good offenses. 2nd half the season, i think our defense can keep probably 5 of the opponents to less than 20 pts total, thus with some good balance from the offensive side of the ball, we can probably get some victories coming our way into the 2nd half of the season.

most of us here thought we would start slow, maybe even going as bad as 2-6 in the 1st 8 games, then going 4-4 or better in the last 8 games.

Imho, DA hasn't really done that well as our qb. don't get me wrong I don't have a favorite, I just wan this team to win games.

With that said, the Bangals have been winning because of a healthy Carson Palmer. Also, I think the main reason why we squeeked outta Buffalo with a win is cuz they lost their starting and back up middle linebacker.

Quinn in retrospect, played against top tier defenses. And in the process managed the games pretty well. Granted he didn't convert any 3rd downs when we really needed it or score a meaningful td, but he was pretty efficient.

I think with a solid right tackle and a running back who doesn't fart dust would really help whoever is at qb.

I really hope Porkchop is the sub....Frawley has earned the RG job.....we need him now..Pork wasn´t getting it done.

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Originally posted by dawgalexander:
Panama Dawg.... how's life in Panama!

Sunny and warm... the whole year... that's why I like to go to see the Browns in December... Very cold (and different for me) plus cheaper tickets

Nice feedback from this thread!!!

Browns 20 - Steelers 17

JMHO, I WAS a BQ backer, being Catholic, being from Lakewood, being a support of a guy who always wanted to be QB for Browns.....now, I want the best QB for Browns...DA, BECAUSE he opens the running lanes more, why, teams were stacking the front...daring BQ to throw deeper than he wanted...they were trying to take away his slants and thus stacking the run lanes...with Anderson, THEY know he will throw it long AND has rifle arm...they don't have as much reation time so they play further from the line....DA has a scatter arm, hot and cold, but in MY OPINION he give us the better chance to run and better chance to hit homerun than BQ....the only bottomline is WIN....GO Browns!!!!

Doesn't matter. DA or BQ will not be the starting QB next year. One or even both of them will be gone sometime after the season and draft day. Don't look for Mangini to take JC from ND next draft either. Mangini was taught to take a QB in the third round or later and teach him to play the game his way.

its fuzzy math. if brady handed off as many times then the numbers would be the same.

brady handed off 20 times to da handing of 41 times. lol. for the same average......

Can anyone tell me if Cedric Pearman is still on the team/practice squad?

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Originally posted by HHIDAWG:
Can anyone tell me if Cedric Pearman is still on the team/practice squad?

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster.php


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cedric_Peerman

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Originally posted by BiggToe:
Doesn't matter. DA or BQ will not be the starting QB next year. One or even both of them will be gone sometime after the season and draft day. Don't look for Mangini to take JC from ND next draft either. Mangini was taught to take a QB in the third round or later and teach him to play the game his way.

I would like to see Brady start a few more games this season, but i wouldn't mind if what you wrote happened at all.

quote:

Originally posted by Vambo:

quote:

Originally posted by bignose123:


How do you know it was speed that was the problem? Did you not watch the postgame interviews? Stuckey said his two drops were his fault,


HE's going to toss his guy under the buss on national TV?

the should have been touchdown to Royal was clearly his fault it was a 40 yard pass how can you take speed off of that?

Royal is a blocking TE, he was never known for his pass catching.

and there wasn't wind and then he threw it and in the air the wind picked up.... again I was at the game you could clearly tell that INT was the winds fault

Why throw the ball deep if it is going to die in the wind?

and also notice how trent edwards only threw one pass over 20 yards? the rest of his completions were screen passes and such which his receivers caught

And he had better passing stats than DA didn't he?

That last line has to do with either bad playcalling or bad decisions by DA to throw deep. If the hoemteam knows its windy and knows the limits on their QB and is SMART enough to NOT call a play involving more than 20 yds then shouldn't our OC do the same?

I really wanted to see BQ succeed this year since DA was and is still DA. But wanting to see my team not be humiliated again and again then get smack from Stooler fan friends I guess is greed on my part. DA needs to be more consistent and learn some touch on his throws. If he can do that and make better decisions, I will support him more. He has had 3 plus years to develop touch.

I will support the Browns whoever has his hands on the Centers rump come Game Day!

Unfortunately, I think the BQ interception versus the Ravens says it all. The WR faked a deep route and the DB didn't even flinch. Say what you want about BQ being able to throw deep or not, but I think opposing defenses figured it out pretty quickly.

I could care less if BQ can or cannot throw deep. reality of the situation is that he doesn't throw down the field. I got sick of watching that dude take the snap and hit a checkdown reciever for a 3 yard gain on 3rd and 5.

All boils down to this fellas...

The ONE game Jamal Lewis carried the ball more than 25 times you WON.

The ONE game Jerome Harrison carried the ball more than 25 times you SHOULD HAVE won.

Find a back, feature him, let him get a rhythm going and he WILL break off long runs in the second half.

This team has been built to run and you're NOT running enough and have NOT shown enough patience with the run. You MUST run the football more. You HAVE to run the football more. I formation, double tight, unbalanced line, wishbone, wildcat, spread draw...find a way, get it done and you WILL win. That's what Tuna told Sparano in Miami and they're getting it done with LESS than what you have in Cleveland!

Feature a back, find him 25+ touches a game, and you will win.

The problem is that when we do run, it's JL up the middle for 1 or 2 yards.Even out of the Wildcat. Dabol/Mangini creativity at it's best.

I want to see a full game where Harrison gets 15+ carries, and Jennigs gets 10+
I truly believe that Jennings has a lot of potential

quote:

Originally posted by aspiclark:

quote:

Originally posted by Tyler_Durden:
BQ can't throw deep. In the NFL the windows are much tighter, and only open for a second. Quinn has never shown great accuracy on the intermediate to deep throws and that was always a knock on him coming out of ND.

Throw in the fact that he has problems keeping his eyes downfield and you have full-bore bust potential.

Part of the reason we have better rushing with DA in, is that we were actually able to sustain drives. Not so much in the Buffalo game, cuz we were plagued with Braylonitus (dropsies to the layman); but certainly in the Cincy game.

The fact that he stretches to defense also contributes to greater run after catch on the underneath throws.

Overall, DA gives us a more dynamic offense where all the players have more opportunity to make something happen once they get the ball. He spaces out the D and creates plenty of lanes for our ball carriers/pass-catchers.

I think that this coming week will be a close game similar to the last two. As long as we stay with DA, we will field a competitive team.

He needs better effort from his pass-catchers though.

Great way to put all of that... absolutely true. Especially the last statement. A lot of them are young though, so it should get better.

Quinn is a chump folks, get over it. DA at least has SOME winning potential. Today was awful all around, for both teams, however... but we got the W. That's what matters in the end.

A rebuttel
"Quinn can't throw deep" you say and Anderson can't throw short or medium and tosses INts by the bushel. And since we dumped our only deep threat whatever misconceived advantage the challenged QB DA has, is gone away. Check out the last four games how PUTRID DA is. But don't let reality get in your way of your opinion.
The "window of accuracy" uhm your boy DA does have it, for the other team, whom he has tossed them more TDS than he has actually thrown to his own teammates. "keep in the fact he has trouble keeping his eyes downfield"...Anderson keeps his eyes glued on his target making his passes like cherries to be plucked by hungry sparrows, or Ravens.
Da sustains drives with his 10.5 QB rating and stretches the defense, now your opinion has entered the twighlight zone. You must have missed the 9 in the box as Lewis gets pounded into raw meat.

The only "lanes" Da creates is the lanes to our own endzone for opposing defenses to run for TDs. As long as we "stay with DA we will be a competitive team" yeah maybe in the ACC, but on an NFL competitive field we stink as bad as any rotten stink can get.

Quinn is a Chump, our staff determined that in 2.5 games vs the NFL elite and each week Anderson limbos under new lows in QBing. Some people railed for Timid Couch for years and would not smell the coffee. Da is worse than any nightmare ever graced behind a Browns center. For the Coach and fans to have such a hard on for Quinn and bloviate their opinion while ignoring the REALITY on the field is pure irony.

Your hate of Quinn has blinded you that you feel compelled ( like the King of Queens) to go down with the burning ship known as DA.

The Vikings seem to have no trouble running the football.
Around 80% of Brett Favres passes are 10 yards or less.
How could this possibly be? Must be magic! *snicker*

Does it matter

quote:

Originally posted by Spiritbro77:
The Vikings seem to have no trouble running the football.
Around 80% of Brett Favres passes are 10 yards or less.
How could this possibly be? Must be magic! *snicker*

I have long been an advocate of the west coast philosophy of short to intermediate passing assuming some of that run game responsibility

now, i will be the first one to say that a great running game wins championships but i believe that the good teams...the ones who can grind the clock and keep the football are the ones who can run the football

Spirit is right when he says that Favre throws short....and it is logical why he does that...AP can grind the clock so they base stuff off of PA and use quick passes to keep the defense from cheating on their first step by always going forward

I haven`t given up on our RB`s just yet. Just like the WR core, it is hard to say what we really have at either position and will have to wait until we get some more pieces put together to start to see the real puzzle picture and guess what we have. I liked Davis and still do and Jennings has looked good also in an almost non-existant offensive system. If we ever get our system working correctly we may just have good to great players at both RB and WR positions. I do agree that we could try and draft another TE next year and hope we get lucky.