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Originally posted by Versatile Dog:
Joe is having his best year. He has been absolutely awesome.

In addition to his physical prowess, Joe really has his head on straight. Did anyone else see his comments in regards to Leon leaving? Joe gets it. We need more players w/him mind set.

No I did not hear. Please elaborate.

Give me AP anyday !

the reason I knew that Joe was a solid pick and a good kid was how he handled draft day. he knew that he was going to go high. He was a sure bet to go top five and instead of heading to New York, he went fishing with his dad.

Man has class that few players at any position have ever or will ever show. great pick.

If he was a great pick, what would have AP been ??? Very Good LT but bad pick. We needed a RB (an a retractable roof but hey it's Cleveland, always 20 years behind). I could block for AP !

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Originally posted by john75034:
If he was a great pick, what would have AP been ??? Very Good LT but bad pick. We needed a RB (an a retractable roof but hey it's Cleveland, always 20 years behind). I could block for AP !

Clearly you know very little about football

retractable roof in Cleveland is laughable at best

John why don't you go route for the Vikings? I am disgusted with "fans" like you. You don't understand how football works, yet you are the first to mouth off an uneducated opinion. This is a kudos for Joe Thomas thread, so take your retractable roof, Adrian Peterson TROLL garbage to another thread.


Nice tribal arm band BTW....lol

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Originally posted by john75034:
If he was a great pick, what would have AP been ??? Very Good LT but bad pick. We needed a RB (an a retractable roof but hey it's Cleveland, always 20 years behind). I could block for AP !

Yeah, but AP is not running behind you he's running behind one of the best O-lines in football. Even the greatest backs need good blocking to succeed. This is one pick of the Browns that I can't say is bad at all. Sorry, there are too many other questionable picks to be upset with a two-time pro-bowl player who is on the way to his third in as many years.

Take a quick look at the top 3 sack leaders in the NFL. Antwan Odom, Jared Allen and Elvis Dumervil. Guess what they did against the Browns? 1 sack, 0 sacks and 4 sacks respectively. I don't recall if Odom's sack was going up against Joe (I don't think it was), but all 4 of Dumervil's were against St. Clair. Jared Allen has 6.5 sacks and 19 tackles in his 4 games since playing the Browns. Going against Joe, 1 tackle, 0 sacks.

Anyone remember the 04 draft? I recall many Browns fans wanting to move up to get Robert Gallery because he was a "lock" to be a Pro-Bowl left tackle. How did that work out for the Raiders? A franchise left tackle comes along once in a decade, and I was ecstatic when I heard, "With the 2nd pick in the 2007 NFL draft, the Detroit Lions select Calvin Johnson" because I knew we were getting Joe.

Adrian Peterson just might be the best player in football, but I don't care. I wouldn't trade Joe Thomas for anyone in the NFL.

The sack was "against" Joe per se, but Derek Anderson panicked went to run and ran right into Odom. That was no Joes Fault.


Also all 4 of Dummerville's sacks were against St Clair....after sack #4 they moved him to JT's side and he promptly got SHUT DOWN....I am not sure why they did that.

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Originally posted by BpG:
I am not sure why they did that.

27-6

Joe Thomas is one of very few things to get exited about on this team.

Joe Thomas with ANY TEAM IN THE LEAGUE = STUD
AP with the Browns minus Joe Thomas = a great running back with no offensive line which means shorter career and a lot less yards then with Minnesota.

Joe Thomas was a bad pick over AP..... and yes i know football....... and yes a retractable dome would be far better for the economy then 8 games a year in that ice bowl on the lake. Get out of Cleveland once an awhile and see how real big Cities generate real finances son !

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Originally posted by BpG:
John why don't you go route for the Vikings? I am disgusted with "fans" like you. You don't understand how football works, yet you are the first to mouth off an uneducated opinion. This is a kudos for Joe Thomas thread, so take your retractable roof, Adrian Peterson TROLL garbage to another thread.


Nice tribal arm band BTW....lol

You wouldn't trade him for anyone well gooood for you. he can be our LT on a bunch of 4-12 teams and that means you settle for average at best. He's a great talent but AP will be remembered far after JT hangs them up with no rings. Hey, I hope i'm wrong but this team needed a RB and I could block for AP....

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Originally posted by nouseforaname:
Take a quick look at the top 3 sack leaders in the NFL. Antwan Odom, Jared Allen and Elvis Dumervil. Guess what they did against the Browns? 1 sack, 0 sacks and 4 sacks respectively. I don't recall if Odom's sack was going up against Joe (I don't think it was), but all 4 of Dumervil's were against St. Clair. Jared Allen has 6.5 sacks and 19 tackles in his 4 games since playing the Browns. Going against Joe, 1 tackle, 0 sacks.

Anyone remember the 04 draft? I recall many Browns fans wanting to move up to get Robert Gallery because he was a "lock" to be a Pro-Bowl left tackle. How did that work out for the Raiders? A franchise left tackle comes along once in a decade, and I was ecstatic when I heard, "With the 2nd pick in the 2007 NFL draft, the Detroit Lions select Calvin Johnson" because I knew we were getting Joe.

Adrian Peterson just might be the best player in football, but I don't care. I wouldn't trade Joe Thomas for anyone in the NFL.

Not tribal, it's celtic junior and it does look good on these 19" arms doesn't it ? HAHAHAHAHA

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Originally posted by BpG:
John why don't you go route for the Vikings? I am disgusted with "fans" like you. You don't understand how football works, yet you are the first to mouth off an uneducated opinion. This is a kudos for Joe Thomas thread, so take your retractable roof, Adrian Peterson TROLL garbage to another thread.


Nice tribal arm band BTW....lol

You mad I'm styling on you John?

You ragin?

Nice PM you sent me.

Guess you forgot they send emails when you start a new PM discussion. It has become painfully clear to me that your football knowledge is only outdone by.....


lol



Oh and don't expect me to be intimidated by your "guns" brah. I got some of my own, but I don't need to showcase my e-peen like you.

BPG you are hilarious to me, any time a person has the belief that Adrian Peterson would have been a better pick then Joe Thomas, then that automatically means to you that they know nothing about football. Nevermind that Peterson is a dynamic playmaker and the most physically dominating running back in the leauge while Joe Thomas (don't get me wrong I think he's awesome too) is the left tackle for one of the worst offenses in the NFL.

Personally my favorite Browns pick of the last ten years (at the time) was Alex Mack, so I realize the importance of Offensive line as much as the next guy. But I am with John75034 here ( and no I am not a vikings fan or a troll) YOU DO NOT PASS UP A ONCE IN A GENERATION RUNNING BACK which Peterson is and was coming out of the draft.

Now here is the part where you call me some idiot who only understands football on Madden terms or a troll because I don't spend 16 hours a day on this forum and have 4,500 posts.

Bulldog I side wtih BPG. I too think if you have a good OL you can do anything for half the price. I look back to the Browns in the 90's. We had Mack and Byner. Granted they were not HOF guys, but they were good enough. Why? OL! You don't need need a super stud at any give position. You need a super team.

With a salary cap, you can't afford having a stud playing any one position. A perfect example is the Vikings.

bugs I would never argue that Joe Thomas isn't a very good left tackle. Everyone knows that a successful football team starts in the trenches but we are talking about one of the greatest running back prospects to come out of college in the last ten years at our finger tips, a guy who physically dominated his opponents at every level. Joe Thomas is great but how bad has the Browns offense been this year? (granted he has played very well and his doesn't play a skill position) On the other hand, how many games do you think Peterson has won for the Vikings the two years before Favre got there? Id say it's quite a few.

Everyone can talk all they want about how good the Vikings line is, the fact of that matter is that if a lineman can hold a run block for a second then Peterson can hit the hole or get to the corner, he has that explosive. Running backs like that can play behind any line, Tomlinson dominated even before guys like Mcneil and Deilman got there.

Joe was the best pick for us at that time, and he shows why every week...just be glad we have him.


I'd love to go fishing with that guy...thing is, doubt we'd ever talk any football, we both love fishing that much.

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Originally posted by bulldog27:
BPG you are hilarious to me, any time a person has the belief that Adrian Peterson would have been a better pick then Joe Thomas, then that automatically means to you that they know nothing about football. Nevermind that Peterson is a dynamic playmaker and the most physically dominating running back in the leauge while Joe Thomas (don't get me wrong I think he's awesome too) is the left tackle for one of the worst offenses in the NFL.

Personally my favorite Browns pick of the last ten years (at the time) was Alex Mack, so I realize the importance of Offensive line as much as the next guy. But I am with John75034 here ( and no I am not a vikings fan or a troll) YOU DO NOT PASS UP A ONCE IN A GENERATION RUNNING BACK which Peterson is and was coming out of the draft.

Now here is the part where you call me some idiot who only understands football on Madden terms or a troll because I don't spend 16 hours a day on this forum and have 4,500 posts.

Your not doing it right.

Even great running backs can't run behind a bad O-line.



You see Steven Jackson balling in St. Louis?


Nope, but he is one of the best backs in the league.



You guys just don't get it.

I guess that part I don't get is why our offense has been so terrible even though we have one of the premier left tackles in the NFL. I wonder if Walter Jones and Orlando Pace would have been recognized has such dominate tackles and been parts of such successful teams had they not had such fantastic skill players around them. Left tackle, like running back, is another piece of the puzzle to having a successful offense. My opinion is that a dynamic, game breaking running back is more important than a top five (in the NFL left tackle who is part of a five man unit.

Yeah your wrong, but it's just my opinion.

Thomas was a great pick, but AP would have been a once-in-a-lifetime pick

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Originally posted by BpG:
Even great running backs can't run behind a bad O-line.

Good point...alot of the time we see running backs emerge out of no where (ryan grant comes to mind) who were not all that great in college

I firmly believe that establishing a dominant run blocking line will benefit the running back more than an elusive running back might benefit from a less talented line

With this principle it is easy to see that we need to shore up the right side of the line if we intend to run the ball effectively...and I hope we do lol

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Originally posted by BpG:
Even great running backs can't run behind a bad O-line.



You see Steven Jackson balling in St. Louis?


Nope, but he is one of the best backs in the league.



You guys just don't get it.

I wouldn't mind having the #3 ranked back in the league over what we have now

Bpg thats kind of childish saying "yeah your wrong" without using any kind of argument to support your stance. Argue me the most talented Peterson isn't the best running back in the league by a large margin while our offense is completely vacant of any kind of playmakers. Like pfm said, Peterson was a once in a lifetime pick while this year will be the third draft year in a row with solid first round tackle prospects.

i hope we dont start losing players like thomas, mentally and physically, because of this mess we deal with everyyear in the management......wonder what jt is thinking right now with peeps getting fired in the fo. guess maybe i should say getting players like jt

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Originally posted by bulldog27:
Bpg thats kind of childish saying "yeah your wrong" without using any kind of argument to support your stance. Argue me the most talented Peterson isn't the best running back in the league by a large margin while our offense is completely vacant of any kind of playmakers. Like pfm said, Peterson was a once in a lifetime pick while this year will be the third draft year in a row with solid first round tackle prospects.

Why don't some of you get this??? You and John still crying over JT over AP...here's something you fail to realize...AP has ALWAYS had a VERY GOOD/GREAT offensive line to run behind. I'm not taking anything away from the man, he's my favorite player to watch. BUT how the hell can yall say he would run good behind any line??? Do you realize the talent they have on the o-line...Mt McKinney, Steve Hutchinson who in my opinion is the best run blocking guard in football, John Sullivan who's solid, and Loadholt who was a stud....

To say AP would be that good without an offensive line is stupid and ignorant. Truth is you don't know how AP would look without an offensive line because no one has ever seen him without a good offensive because back in his Oklahoma day they had a very good offensive line. You Bradford won the Heisman with a clean jersey.

So all of you AP guys who can't get over it tell me one thing? When have you seen AP run without a good offensive line? And since you haven't how the hell do you know he would've been great playing here?

One more point...he wouldn't have put up the same numbers here just from a standpoint of having to play Pittsburgh and Baltimore twice a year that would change a lot in terms of production. BU you know it all have it all figured it out!

Well first of all I do know that the great Joe Thomas (along with Eric Stienbach one of the highest paid guards in the NFL) have been blocking for a bottom 5 offense the past 2 years. Also Adrian Peterson didn't play with Sam Bradford so those were basically two completely different teams and lines, I will admit though he had solid players like Davin Joseph blocking for him. Still, obviously we could never know what Adrian Peterson would be here, but he was one of the highest rated running back prospects of the last decade and the most dominate back in every level that he has played in thus far. If he gets to the edge like he did against the Browns this year, its all over. We could have a dynamic monster running back on our offense right now, instead we have a good left tackle in an offense devoid of any play makers. There are no backs in the draft this year with the speed/power/size/explosion of Peterson, there have been very good and so far productive Left Tackle prospects in the past few drafts though, the 2010 draft will also be a solid draft for tackles..again.

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Originally posted by bulldog27:
Well first of all I do know that the great Joe Thomas (along with Eric Stienbach one of the highest paid guards in the NFL) have been blocking for a bottom 5 offense the past 2 years. Also Adrian Peterson didn't play with Sam Bradford so those were basically two completely different teams and lines, I will admit though he had solid players like Davin Joseph blocking for him. Still, obviously we could never know what Adrian Peterson would be here, but he was one of the highest rated running back prospects of the last decade and the most dominate back in every level that he has played in thus far. If he gets to the edge like he did against the Browns this year, its all over. We could have a dynamic monster running back on our offense right now, instead we have a good left tackle in an offense devoid of any play makers. There are no backs in the draft this year with the speed/power/size/explosion of Peterson, there have been very good and so far productive Left Tackle prospects in the past few drafts though, the 2010 draft will also be a solid draft for tackles..again.

Who has been our rb the past few years? Even when he did run good for us, JL still didnt hit the hole with force. Im tired of seeing him dance around the backfield while he gets swallowed up at the los.

All I know is we've spent two first round picks on our line and don't have a rushing TD by a running back this season. So if line play can make any bum off the street look like Emmitt Smith I'd really like to start seeing it.
14 games without a RB rushing for a TD. Impressive isn't it?

Anderson has 2. ha

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Originally posted by Spiritbro77:
All I know is we've spent two first round picks on our line and don't have a rushing TD by a running back this season. So if line play can make any bum off the street look like Emmitt Smith I'd really like to start seeing it.
14 games without a RB rushing for a TD. Impressive isn't it?

LOL

i LOVE joet, but this is one heckuva an argument for AD AP.

You can blame that on the DA sneak. JL gets the ball to the 8 in. line, and DA gets to "lean" in.

In my post I said Sam Bradford I meant to say Jason White...in regards to the Oklahoma QB winning the Heisman behind great offensive line play

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Originally posted by predator16:
I don't care how early it is, here goes. Joe Thomas, the 1st New Era Browns Hall of Famer. Baring injury I don't see how it won't happen.

Sorry to say our center is not as good as Hank not right now, watch him snap a shotgun ball it hangs like a lefty curve ball he may be very good but right now nope, not an upgrade. Joe I really like but he is not getting the push he did 2 years ago and he is getting beat more often than he has in the last 2 seasons. This is a team meltdown.

3 guys the Browns need to keep--Joe Thomas, Josh Cribbs and Sean Rogers. They are the only 3 who show up and perfom consistently. OK, I can think of a few others who can stay, but they aren't MUSTS in my mind.

Love Joe T, by the way. The best draft pick (talent wise) of the new era.

joe thomas was a better pick over AP in our situation, and i was the one who wanted one of those two guys over anyone that draft.

all of you say once in a generation running back, but last i checked mcfadden was lights out in college as well, and then he got stuck behind a crappy o-line, and guess what, he cant do anything.

I love AP, but we also know the fact that he had college injuries constantly and was also factored in. there was reasons why AP was picked later and those were parts of the reason. Btw, the Vikings already had a 'Joe Thomas' in Hutchenson(sp). they had a great o-line before he got there, come on mewelde moore and Chester Taylor looked like all-pros.

How about we complain about other picks that we didnt do instead of one of the only correct ones.

i cant believe these 'fans' are complaining about an all-pro rookie and most likely a career all-pro.

Im sure in two years we will hear about us skipping over Beanie, because he was similar to AP, taking over games in college, but injury prone.