I was willing to give Mangini the benefit of the doubt.

Seriously. A coach being run out of town gets a new chance. He has a fairly sharp football mind and gets a new chance with a team that has more talent than it's 4-12 record would indicate.

Blank slate. You can bring in ANYONE you want. Just pick him.

And the best you can do is Brian Daboll?

I figured this guy must have something. You know, one of those diamond-in-the-rough type guys that come around every so often. But holy God...this is bad.

He looks every bit like a guy who has never called plays in his entire career. He looks every bit like an OC who has no idea what he is doing. His game planning and play calling has been some of the worst I have EVER seen. And that's saying a lot. We've had front row seats to some horrifyingly bad OC'ing in our 10 years of reincarnation. But this is, without question, the worst we've seen.

Hey Eric Mangini. You might not get another chance to steer an NFL ship again. You are a difficult guy to play for and players don't like you. We are already taking heat from players (and their agants) about not wanting to play here because of you. Winning can overcome that (see: Coughlin), but a miserably difficult coach that is coaching a laughingstock is not gonna be good for business.

You, my friend are on an increasingly hot seat...already. Do you really want to hitch your offensive wagon to a guy who, up til now, seems like someone who couldn't play Madden?

daboll needs fired.

DABOLL=CHUD! Go Browns, another conservative "settle for the 3 points" kind of year!

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Originally posted by GITURBARKON:
DABOLL=CHUD! Go Browns, another conservative "settle for the 3 points" kind of year!

You're being much too kind, comparing Daboll to Chud. With Chud, it wasn't always that the play calling was so bad- it was as much or more that the players were undsciplined and failed to execute properly a lot of times.

Daboll is closer to Mo Carthon- running plays that are just plain stupid choices for the situation. He's too inexperienced to realize that he's easily figured out. He has that "watch me fool them on this play" disease while not realizing that no one's being fooled.

Oh yeah- and having a QB who's positively petrified to throw the ball to any receiver who has a defender within 5 yards of him isn't helping either. I guess that's what happens when the owner and whole city pressures the coach into letting the "cute" one start. yeesh.

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Daboll is closer to Mo Carthon

Took the words right off my fingertips.

Should we be expecting Vickers to throw passes on 4th and 1 now?

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Originally posted by GITURBARKON:
DABOLL=CHUD! Go Browns, another conservative "settle for the 3 points" kind of year!

Heck we went from settle for 3 to settle for 3 an out. This is retarded. The shotgun is not working dude. I don;t know if that was our "bread and butter" during camp or anything but IT IS NOT WORKING. It workede 1 or 2 series, they adjusted, and we kept running it.

There are two avenues to attack a defense from the pre-snap perspective. One is multiple formations to disguise your intentions and the other is to vary your playcalling from similar formations. The latter would include PA, running, quick passes, ect ect ect. You can run the I the entire game if you can put it on all cylinders.

The shotgun is OBVIOUSLY not running on all cylinders. I saw no effective PA, no effective runs, nothing. Abandon it if it does not work. Do not continue to push the same crap down the defenses throat if they are not buying it. This is retarded. Whatever you WANT to run Daboll. Vary your freaking play calling. If something does not work try something else. This was a new 3-4 and they have no real D-line. I have an idea, let's attack the middle with Jamal USING POWER FORMATIONS. That will get them off the freaking QB. Once they start protecting the middle by stacking the box, USE SOME PA DEEP TO YOUR MAN COVERAGE WR'S. Once they stop that, then you can use the SHOTGUN for a drive or two but for god sakes, STOP BEING SUCH AN IDIOT!

We could have won this game. This game pretty much determined our season and what I see so far is nothing but sheer stupidity from the offense and a lack of talent on the defense. I have no reason to believe this team will go above 4-12 now. It's not the talent, we could be a 7-9 or above team but this OC is going to tip the balance. I don't believe in firing guys midway through the season. But if he is not gone or demoted next year then I will loose all faith in Mangini. Wow, I mean, just wow.

BTW don't give me the crap about being behind ect. We were using the shotgun exclusively the entire game. It's the reason we fell behind.

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Originally posted by Rock Strongo:

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Originally posted by GITURBARKON:
DABOLL=CHUD! Go Browns, another conservative "settle for the 3 points" kind of year!

I guess that's what happens when the owner and whole city pressures the coach into letting the "cute" one start. yeesh.

So you don't like Quinn because he's better looking than you?

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The shotgun is not working dude.

I agree. I think the line of thinking is that they realize our line can't pass protect BQ,so you keep him in shotgun. The thing is, St.Clair, or as I like to call him, THE MATADOR, lets guys by him so fast BQ still doesn't stand a chance.

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Originally posted by Rock Strongo:

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Originally posted by GITURBARKON:
DABOLL=CHUD! Go Browns, another conservative "settle for the 3 points" kind of year!

You're being much too kind, comparing Daboll to Chud. With Chud, it wasn't always that the play calling was so bad- it was as much or more that the players were undsciplined and failed to execute properly a lot of times.

Daboll is closer to Mo Carthon- running plays that are just plain stupid choices for the situation. He's too inexperienced to realize that he's easily figured out. He has that "watch me fool them on this play" disease while not realizing that no one's being fooled.

Oh yeah- and having a QB who's positively petrified to throw the ball to any receiver who has a defender within 5 yards of him isn't helping either. I guess that's what happens when the owner and whole city pressures the coach into letting the "cute" one start. yeesh.

Heck at least Carthon tried to run the ball a bit. This is absolutely pathetic. As far as the QB, I don;t blame him for not throwing to a guy if he is not open. The key is to get guys open with playcalling. We have BE, Josh Cribbs, MoMass ect. Those are athletes. You mean to tell me you cannot come up with plays designed for them to get them open. BE can outrun most of the defense and jump higher. Josh Cribbs is the perfect screen WR. MoMass looks athletic lol. What the heck. You can't figure out how to get some of these guys open and take the pressure off the QB. Beyond that Denver has a great secondary. Why attack their strengths. Why not attack their weaknesses by running the ball out of power formations. Don;t you think St.Clair and Womack might be a little bit better out of the power I then the shotgun. St.Clair sucks. He can't bend enough to stop the LE let alone the LOLB. Maybe he can push. At least if you use some different formations he wouldn't have to bend so much. Ever heard of a 3 step drop? I didn't see any last night. In a 3 step drop their DT MUST collapse the pocket in order for the LB's to get a sack. He MUST force the QB either out or back. That let's St.Clair have a little more leeway in the pass rush. Mack is young and strong and he should be able to at least give us a chance there and if not I know Fraley is capable. God that was retarded. I get mad just thinking about it. I want this guy fired so bad it's not even funny.

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Originally posted by usngunz75:

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The shotgun is not working dude.

I agree. I think the line of thinking is that they realize our line can't pass protect BQ,so you keep him in shotgun. The thing is, St.Clair, or as I like to call him, THE MATADOR, lets guys by him so fast BQ still doesn't stand a chance.

Part of that is actually the shotgun. When the QB is constantly 7 steps back already it really gives the advantage to the athletic LB. How can you expect St.Clair who is not agile to compete when they rush 2 his side and the QB is at an angle like that? No. That is retarded and the first time it happened I ASSUMED Daboll would see that and fix it. I was wrong. Instead he got sacked a few more times and was pressured the rest of the game to the point he was totally inept. His only option was the check down because he had no time to step up and throw deep. Vary the drops. In a 3 step drop you take three steps and throw. That negates almost any pass rush. If they start to cover short zones you go to a 5 step drop from time to time which hits medium range and for good measure MIX IN THE SHOTGUN, NOT USE IT AS THE BASE YOU IDIOT!!! If you start to mix up the drops it allows YOU to control the flow of the game instead of the defense. It opens up wholes in the run game. It opens up screens. It opens up the playbook and if you want to see a nice example of it. Go look at the film from the other night. Denver did a nice job dictating the game offensively. We can do that. BRady Quinn can do that. But he is going to be another Browns QB ruined by the fans, the media, and most of all STUPID STUPID PLAY CALLING because that is the heart of it. Cam Cameron can make Joe Flacco look good in his first year with nothing to work with offensively. We have some great players but we are not doing anything to try to get them the ball. God I hate this OC. I have nothing to look forward to from this team this year and this is a really bad mark on Mangini. He is suppose to be smart. I hope he holds smarts above loyalty because his loyalty to Daboll is going to sink the freaking ship.

Hanging your hat on unproven coaches has always been a huge gamble in the NFL.

No worries, RL has plenty money and fans for Mangini to gamble with.

Honestly CJD, you're right on and I'd rather had you as our OC. Since our return in '99, we have never hired an experienced quality OC. It would be great to get a guy with a good reputation. This Daboll is a disgrace to the team. Call him "Brian Nobolls"

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Originally posted by CJD:

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Originally posted by usngunz75:

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The shotgun is not working dude.

I agree. I think the line of thinking is that they realize our line can't pass protect BQ,so you keep him in shotgun. The thing is, St.Clair, or as I like to call him, THE MATADOR, lets guys by him so fast BQ still doesn't stand a chance.

Part of that is actually the shotgun. When the QB is constantly 7 steps back already it really gives the advantage to the athletic LB. How can you expect St.Clair who is not agile to compete when they rush 2 his side and the QB is at an angle like that? No. That is retarded and the first time it happened I ASSUMED Daboll would see that and fix it. I was wrong. Instead he got sacked a few more times and was pressured the rest of the game to the point he was totally inept. His only option was the check down because he had no time to step up and throw deep. Vary the drops. In a 3 step drop you take three steps and throw. That negates almost any pass rush. If they start to cover short zones you go to a 5 step drop from time to time which hits medium range and for good measure MIX IN THE SHOTGUN, NOT USE IT AS THE BASE YOU IDIOT!!! If you start to mix up the drops it allows YOU to control the flow of the game instead of the defense. It opens up wholes in the run game. It opens up screens. It opens up the playbook and if you want to see a nice example of it. Go look at the film from the other night. Denver did a nice job dictating the game offensively. We can do that. BRady Quinn can do that. But he is going to be another Browns QB ruined by the fans, the media, and most of all STUPID STUPID PLAY CALLING because that is the heart of it. Cam Cameron can make Joe Flacco look good in his first year with nothing to work with offensively. We have some great players but we are not doing anything to try to get them the ball. God I hate this OC. I have nothing to look forward to from this team this year and this is a really bad mark on Mangini. He is suppose to be smart. I hope he holds smarts above loyalty because his loyalty to Daboll is going to sink the freaking ship.

Well said!

The only good OC we've had was Bruce Arians (now with the steelers) This is another lost season.

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Originally posted by CJD:

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Originally posted by usngunz75:

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The shotgun is not working dude.

I agree. I think the line of thinking is that they realize our line can't pass protect BQ,so you keep him in shotgun. The thing is, St.Clair, or as I like to call him, THE MATADOR, lets guys by him so fast BQ still doesn't stand a chance.

Part of that is actually the shotgun. When the QB is constantly 7 steps back already it really gives the advantage to the athletic LB. How can you expect St.Clair who is not agile to compete when they rush 2 his side and the QB is at an angle like that? No. That is retarded and the first time it happened I ASSUMED Daboll would see that and fix it. I was wrong. Instead he got sacked a few more times and was pressured the rest of the game to the point he was totally inept. His only option was the check down because he had no time to step up and throw deep. Vary the drops. In a 3 step drop you take three steps and throw. That negates almost any pass rush. If they start to cover short zones you go to a 5 step drop from time to time which hits medium range and for good measure MIX IN THE SHOTGUN, NOT USE IT AS THE BASE YOU IDIOT!!! If you start to mix up the drops it allows YOU to control the flow of the game instead of the defense. It opens up wholes in the run game. It opens up screens. It opens up the playbook and if you want to see a nice example of it. Go look at the film from the other night. Denver did a nice job dictating the game offensively. We can do that. BRady Quinn can do that. But he is going to be another Browns QB ruined by the fans, the media, and most of all STUPID STUPID PLAY CALLING because that is the heart of it. Cam Cameron can make Joe Flacco look good in his first year with nothing to work with offensively. We have some great players but we are not doing anything to try to get them the ball. God I hate this OC. I have nothing to look forward to from this team this year and this is a really bad mark on Mangini. He is suppose to be smart. I hope he holds smarts above loyalty because his loyalty to Daboll is going to sink the freaking ship.

There's a lot to be said for coaches putting their players in the best position possible to utilize their talents and win.

This is probably the main problem with this team right now (along with lack of talent in key positions).As much as we want to criticize the players,which we should, there is plenty of blame for them too, but the real elephant in the room is our coaching staff. They clearly have not put this team in the best position to win games so far.

I thought the playcalling would be better this week, but yet again it isn't. Everything that I would post has already been posted, so there is no need to carry on. Heres to hoping the playcalling is better next week, but we all know it won't be.

I really like our coaching staff with the exception of Daboll. He may be the worst OC I have ever seen. In fairness to everyone involved though the right side of our OL stinks at best and BQ hasnt exactly been helping the situation and to top it all off we have no running game.
The only problem I'm having is deciding how much of the blame to place on each position and the OC

They are playing a "No Turn over" Type of game! But its not working at all.They need to let Quinn air it out.Take a freaking chance downfield for once! By looking at the last two games and the rest of the teams we gotta play we really could go 0-16 this year! St.Clair was just walked on and Quinn just looked like he didn't wanna chuck it up.If they cant play then give there jobs to someone who can.I still dont see why our 2nd round WR's aren't out there more then one or two plays.Start giving other people the chance to play if things dont get better and with the Ravens coming up I'm afraid its not going to!

I have a feeling this guy will be fired during the season or right after. you cant win games when you only score two field goals the entire game!!

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Originally posted by redddog2:
I was willing to give Mangini the benefit of the doubt.

Seriously. A coach being run out of town gets a new chance. He has a fairly sharp football mind and gets a new chance with a team that has more talent than it's 4-12 record would indicate.

Blank slate. You can bring in ANYONE you want. Just pick him.

And the best you can do is Brian Daboll?

I figured this guy must have something. You know, one of those diamond-in-the-rough type guys that come around every so often. But holy God...this is bad.

He looks every bit like a guy who has never called plays in his entire career. He looks every bit like an OC who has no idea what he is doing. His game planning and play calling has been some of the worst I have EVER seen. And that's saying a lot. We've had front row seats to some horrifyingly bad OC'ing in our 10 years of reincarnation. But this is, without question, the worst we've seen.

Hey Eric Mangini. You might not get another chance to steer an NFL ship again. You are a difficult guy to play for and players don't like you. We are already taking heat from players (and their agants) about not wanting to play here because of you. Winning can overcome that (see: Coughlin), but a miserably difficult coach that is coaching a laughingstock is not gonna be good for business.

You, my friend are on an increasingly hot seat...already. Do you really want to hitch your offensive wagon to a guy who, up til now, seems like someone who couldn't play Madden?

My guess is that Peanut was hired because none of the experienced and available OCs wanted to work with Mangelina.

lets be honest here, we can't block, that is extremely evident in the first 2 games. We get no holes on the run and plenty of holes in coverage on pass plays.

i'm not saying that daboll is being unjustly attacked, i'm just saying you could put bill walsh in there as your oc and we're still gonna suck.

a - we need a star running back
and
b - we need a major overall for the right side of this line

if our offense could move the ball and put up 7, our defense would be instantly better.

i see a lot of plays that daboll is calling which are hinged on the notion that the players we have can execute them. it aint happening now, so i can't entirely blame him.

on the other hand, i'm not a proponent of playing soft because we don't have the talent, if I'm going down, i'm going down swinging.

if we're going to lose anyway, screw it, pull out all the stops, go deep regularly, abandon the run if the pass works, and vice versa.

punting - only necessary when we're in the game and on our half of the 50, otherwise, i don't mind if we lose by more points than we would have lost by.

in the red zone should be 4 down territory for this team as well. 3 points are not good enough for this team to win. i have absolutely no problem with the philosophy of 7 or nothing in the state we're in now.

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Originally posted by BrownsFan1988:
daboll needs fired.

Funny, I started a thread stating this exact thing with a list of his horrendous calls - after game 1. I also put the above as my sig after week 1. My thread got erased and well, look at my sig. Daboll makes Carthon look like a genius.

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Originally posted by usngunz75:

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Daboll is closer to Mo Carthon

Took the words right off my fingertips.

Should we be expecting Vickers to throw passes on 4th and 1 now?

Quinn is closer to Spurgeon Wynn

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Originally posted by kelevra:
lets be honest here, we can't block, that is extremely evident in the first 2 games. We get no holes on the run and plenty of holes in coverage on pass plays.

i'm not saying that daboll is being unjustly attacked, i'm just saying you could put bill walsh in there as your oc and we're still gonna suck.

a - we need a star running back
and
b - we need a major overall for the right side of this line

if our offense could move the ball and put up 7, our defense would be instantly better.

i see a lot of plays that daboll is calling which are hinged on the notion that the players we have can execute them. it aint happening now, so i can't entirely blame him.

on the other hand, i'm not a proponent of playing soft because we don't have the talent, if I'm going down, i'm going down swinging.

if we're going to lose anyway, screw it, pull out all the stops, go deep regularly, abandon the run if the pass works, and vice versa.

punting - only necessary when we're in the game and on our half of the 50, otherwise, i don't mind if we lose by more points than we would have lost by.

in the red zone should be 4 down territory for this team as well. 3 points are not good enough for this team to win. i have absolutely no problem with the philosophy of 7 or nothing in the state we're in now.

I disagree. I believe Jamal Lewis is a solid NFL Running Back and he can move this offense. I mean, the guy is 240, all he has to do is get to the line and fall forward and we should get a 3rd and 4.

The right side of the line is average at best and St. Clair is not a very good pass blocker especially against 3-4 teams. But he and everyone else would look a lot better if we could force the defense to not rush the QB so much and we could do that through playcalling.

We do have some holes in this team, but they are not as glaring as they seem. We have one of the best LT's in the business not to mention LG, FB, WR, ect ect ect. The problem I see is not that we are so terribly bad. The problem I see is that the offense was not working and our coordinator did not do anything outside of minor adjustments to try to change that.

As I said before. If the shotgun isn't working, try some power I, try some Singleback, throw some screens, do not live and die by your gameplan especially if it does not provide the flexibility needed to adjust to an opposing defense. Look I am a defensive guy but at least I understand the offense. When you are making your gameplan this is what you do.

We start in shotgun and test their secondary (dumb move but ok)
They will react to that so how do I think they will try to shut it down.

Knowing I have a weak right side of the line I think they will attack it and being in shotgun my QB is going to get laid out if the WR's can;t get open in less than 2 seconds.

(Daboll shifted the HB or FB over and sometimes left a TE in on that side to help but guess what, it wasn't enough. Minor adjustment)

If they attack the right side and I am bound and determined to run the shotgun then I have to use screens.

When I use the screen they stop rushing 6 and 7 but start covering short zones and man the HB to shut down the screen

So now I go deep, the QB has time, the WR has time, I have a designed play to get a guy open and get a TD.

We didn't do any of that. I saw one screen. Furthermore here is what I would have done.

Shotgun isn;t working, it's much harder to throw quick passes like slants out of the gun and almost impossible to run without selling the deep pass so let it go. The shotgun is made for 3rd and long. It is a formation which relies on the spread of WR's again another thing we did not even try to do. Anyways.

Power I. Lets run it a few times and see if we can get them to run blitz.

Singleback screen, get them to bite on the balanced formation. Are we going to run or throw? Maybe a screen lol.

Run out of the balanced formations. Throw in some quick slants. Get this offense going.

Run out of 3 WR sets. Once we have them in cover 2 and expecting the quick pass run from the 3 WR set to throw them off.

Throw from 3 WR sets. Once you establish the run game they have to either play man or run blitz which negates most cover 2 and 3 defenses giving you the option to hit a guy deep.

Jesus Christ Josh Cribbs was born to be a screen WR. Throw him a quick screen and he will get you at least 5 yards and I will say that I noticed some of that last night but because everything else was so... vanilla, there was no substance. We were not able to dictate anything offensively because our OC wasn;t able to anticipate his opposing DC. We can drive the defense every game with the players we have. They might only score 21 points a game but we can do that it just requires a mindset. You cannot live and die by the game plan if you can't write a good one in the first place. Throw the freaking playbook out the window. You wanna go deep to a WR or hit a checkdown fine, doesn;t work, let it go. Brian Billick ran a deep threat route concept offense in Minn. Then he went to Baltimore and they did not have the talent to do that so guess what, they won a superbowl by running the ball 40 times a game and using simple pass plays. Sometimes you have to check your ego at the door and do what works. In my opinion Daboll isn;t even trying to find what works, he just keeps reverting to the shotgun and I am in no way impressed. Fire him.

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Originally posted by daDieken:

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Originally posted by redddog2:


You, my friend are on an increasingly hot seat...already. Do you really want to hitch your offensive wagon to a guy who, up til now, seems like someone who couldn't play Madden?

My guess is that Peanut was hired because none of the experienced and available OCs wanted to work with Mangelina.

That's very possible but guess what, CHUD was here, CHUD had a playbook that these guys have been feeding on for two years. CHUD was a decent OC and at the very least had some experience. We should have kept him. I know many of you will disagree because of last year but I honestly think he will be a good OC in the future. His biggest prblem last year was a QB who started rough and threw a bunch of picks. Got benched and started a rookie basically, then started Dorsey. Enough said. You can say the same for Daboll now but the glaring difference between the two was the playbook. Chud wrote one, Daboll wiped his but and handed us a napkin with the new Browns offense on it.

One of the things that bothers me about Daboll, is the whole process that got him here.

Whatever happenned to interviewing coaches and making the best decision possible for your OC? Instead, Mangina just went ahead and hooked one of his buddies up with a job.Is that the best way to do things? I really don't think so.

I understand a coach is going to bring in "his guys", but it seems in this situation we got a yes-man for the head coach instead of the most qualified person.

How many of our OC's have been 1st timers? Just about all since the return. I like the fact that we have experienced coaches for DC/ST, but Daboll is in way over his head.

Personally, I would prefer to have an OC who has actually called a game or two before getting the OC job.

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Originally posted by usngunz75:
One of the things that bothers me about Daboll, is the whole process that got him here.

Whatever happenned to interviewing coaches and making the best decision possible for your OC? Instead, Mangina just went ahead and hooked one of his buddies up with a job.Is that the best way to do things? I really don't think so.

I understand a coach is going to bring in "his guys", but it seems in this situation we got a yes-man for the head coach instead of the most qualified person.

How many of our OC's have been 1st timers? Just about all since the return. I like the fact that we have experienced coaches for DC/ST, but Daboll is in way over his head.

Personally, I would prefer to have an OC who has actually called a game or two before getting the OC job.

I'd love to have a guy with experience. Furthermore I would love to have a guy who knows how to call plays. Daboll is neither. At least CHUD had a playbook. Daboll is an idiot and he looks like a retarded leprechaun with little man syndrome.

Daboll needs to change the gameplan up. It looks as though the first 15 plays + are scripted and he ain't changing them. He's getting predictable with the sets that are out there. He needs to mix them up and throw some wonders out there.

Until St. Claire can block, he needs help, maybe a 2 back set with Lewis/Harrison or Lewis/Davis or Davis/Harrison or any of them with Vickers and not always run out of these formations but throw more. Always have some help for the O-Line.

The Dolphins last year did nothing until their OC changed things up and ran the Wildcat more. I'm not saying run the Wildcat more. He used Brown to throw and run. Cribbs would do alot better for us in the Wildcat for us if he was put in a situation where he could throw the ball and not always be a run.

Probably none of this makes sense but neither does our playcalling right now.

FIRE HIM

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Originally posted by 2127:
Daboll needs to change the gameplan up. It looks as though the first 15 plays + are scripted and he ain't changing them.

You are absolutely correct!

In an interview with Dabol right before the first season game, Daboll was asked if the beginning of the game was going to be scripted. His answer was yes, the first 15 or so...

Asked next what will the plays entail, his answer was something similar to, "I'm not sure yet, I will be going up and drawing them when I leave here with you."

I would link to the video but I don't see it on the main page anymore.

The first quarter OR MORE are scripted and they don't seem to be deviating from them.

This sucks!

It saddens me that the culture in this town has become such that as soon as we are doing poorly, our first instinct is to fire the "perceived" problem (and its funny that it is usually one person...usually a coach)

Im not advocating more time..I think that is a cop out but I am advocating a few things...and here they are:

1. Give us a chance to address the Right Tackle/Right Guard in the off season cuz St. Clair aint cutting it

2. Give Brady Quinn 16 starts before we decide that he is a complete and miserable failure

3. Give Daboll 16 games before we figure out that he cannot call plays (remember that Minnesota still has a great defense)

Basically I am saying that sometimes the worst thing you can do is to pull the plug before something or some one matures...lets see if they start to do the little things right....

We've played exactly TWO games and we're calling for heads? Alrighty then.
Glad we're into giving a guy a fair chance here in Cleveland.
An Offensive system takes a while to install. Doing so during a QB competition, splitting reps, makes it doubly difficult. But hey, I guess two games is plenty of time to know Daboll is a horrible OC.
While we're running coaches out of town.... our Defense has looked pretty bad. Lets fire Ryan while we're at it shall we?

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Originally posted by Spiritbro77:
We've played exactly TWO games and we're calling for heads? Alrighty then.
Glad we're into giving a guy a fair chance here in Cleveland.
An Offensive system takes a while to install. Doing so during a QB competition, splitting reps, makes it doubly difficult. But hey, I guess two games is plenty of time to know Daboll is a horrible OC.
While we're running coaches out of town.... our Defense has looked pretty bad. Lets fire Ryan while we're at it shall we?

Yup lets do it... And Hey I want to drive, OK?????

Spirit your starting to sound like me......I knew you'd figure it out sooner or later

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Originally posted by Spiritbro77:
...Glad we're into giving a guy a fair chance here in Cleveland...

I ain't ready to fit the feller into his cement boots fer his leisurely stroll off'n the 9th St. Pier yet...

Howsumever... I b'lieve the feller oughter know by now summa his idears doan translate theyseffs into ackcheral NFL game strategies.

• Get sum HEP fer St. Clair... !!!
  
  
• Put a metronome in Quinn's hemmet... tick, tock, THROW'D the dadgum ball... doan dasn't wait... they is ZERO hope any of our covered receivers gonna get theyseffs any more open in the NEXT forty-leven seconds... y'all could shoot the defenders with long rifles an' our receivers would kneel theyseffs down to give 'em artificial respiration... ruther than lookin' to find theyseffs a seam...
  
  
• If'n Lewis gains 11 yards on a sweep to the left... TRY IT AGAIN! ...an' AGAIN... an' AGAIN! ...until they stop it.
  
  
• If'n Lewis gets stuffed up the gut... DOAN keep tryin' THAT ignert play!
  
  
• Look yerseff down the sidelines... that feller down there wearin' hisseff 82 on his uniform... he gets hisseff OPEN an' he CATCHES hisseff the ball! Use him!!!
  

JMIgnertO

Is Mike Martz avaialable?
If so we should hire him.

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Originally posted by Hairdog:

Put a metronome in Quinn's hemmet... tick, tock, THROW'D the dadgum ball... doan dasn't wait... they is ZERO hope any of our covered receivers gonna get theyseffs any more open in the NEXT forty-leven seconds... y'all could shoot the defenders with long rifles an' our receivers would kneel theyseffs down to give 'em artificial respiration... ruther than lookin' to find theyseffs a seam...

HAHAHA!


funniest thing Ive read on here in 6 years.

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Originally posted by onubrownsbacker:
It saddens me that the culture in this town has become such that as soon as we are doing poorly, our first instinct is to fire the "perceived" problem (and its funny that it is usually one person...usually a coach)

Im not advocating more time..I think that is a cop out but I am advocating a few things...and here they are:

1. Give us a chance to address the Right Tackle/Right Guard in the off season cuz St. Clair aint cutting it

2. Give Brady Quinn 16 starts before we decide that he is a complete and miserable failure

3. Give Daboll 16 games before we figure out that he cannot call plays (remember that Minnesota still has a great defense)

Basically I am saying that sometimes the worst thing you can do is to pull the plug before something or some one matures...lets see if they start to do the little things right....

In reality I am not an advocate of firing him... right now... even though in some angry moments... you get the idea. Thing is he needs to surely be fired at the end of the year. I have seen a lot of things from this team, he is most assuredly one of the worst. Oh and my quote, never mind my quote.

Wanna know why, go read the other 5 posts here, I clearly laid out how retarded this man is. I believe we can get this unit to pull at least 21 points a game. I believe St.Clair would not look nearly as bad in a Power I. I believe Brady Quinn can be a good QB for the Cleveland Browns. All of these are not going to happen because Daboll runs the shotgun as his base formation.

He is unwilling to try anything else. As an offense you want to dictate the game to the defense, not the other way around. You do that by mixing formations and mixing attacks. We hardly ran the ball, we threw 1 HB screen which (would have probably saved the QB) ect ect ect

I mean how far do I have to go here. I am telling you we have the players. A good coach could get 21 points a game with this unit but Daboll is not a good play caller.

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Originally posted by Spiritbro77:
We've played exactly TWO games and we're calling for heads? Alrighty then.
Glad we're into giving a guy a fair chance here in Cleveland.
An Offensive system takes a while to install. Doing so during a QB competition, splitting reps, makes it doubly difficult. But hey, I guess two games is plenty of time to know Daboll is a horrible OC.
While we're running coaches out of town.... our Defense has looked pretty bad. Lets fire Ryan while we're at it shall we?

Ryan has gotten a lot more with a lot less talent wise. He is doing a great job. Daboll has the talent.

LT,LG,C,WR,QB,HB ect. I could get anything you want out of these guys. BQ is young and Jamal is old but they can both be productive if used properly.

Aren't you the big Brady Quinn fan? Aren't you the guy who called for DA's head over and over and over because Quinn was sooooooo goooooood. Well, he may just be, but this OC is going to make him look soooooo baaaad and guess what happens then? He's gone.

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Originally posted by Hairdog:

quote:

Originally posted by Spiritbro77:
...Glad we're into giving a guy a fair chance here in Cleveland...

I ain't ready to fit the feller into his cement boots fer his leisurely stroll off'n the 9th St. Pier yet...

Howsumever... I b'lieve the feller oughter know by now summa his idears doan translate theyseffs into ackcheral NFL game strategies.

• Get sum HEP fer St. Clair... !!!
  
  
• Put a metronome in Quinn's hemmet... tick, tock, THROW'D the dadgum ball... doan dasn't wait... they is ZERO hope any of our covered receivers gonna get theyseffs any more open in the NEXT forty-leven seconds... y'all could shoot the defenders with long rifles an' our receivers would kneel theyseffs down to give 'em artificial respiration... ruther than lookin' to find theyseffs a seam...
  
  
• If'n Lewis gains 11 yards on a sweep to the left... TRY IT AGAIN! ...an' AGAIN... an' AGAIN! ...until they stop it.
  
  
• If'n Lewis gets stuffed up the gut... DOAN keep tryin' THAT ignert play!
  
  
• Look yerseff down the sidelines... that feller down there wearin' hisseff 82 on his uniform... he gets hisseff OPEN an' he CATCHES hisseff the ball! Use him!!!
  

JMIgnertO

I know, I know, I screamed it all at the T.V. too but he did not listen