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I don't think Bernie will be in a position to make demands on any of the coaches, I think this was done to help Bernie more than anything.
BUT, if I were Mangini and Daboll I would be picking his brain on suggestions for the offense and play calling. I would put tape up and ask bernie what he would have done in a certain situation. Someone once told me that REALLY intelligent people used other people's knowledge to help them achieve what they wanted. Bernie has a lot of knowledge that could be useful to this team. ____ Yoda: NO! Try Not, Do Or Do Not, There is no try!!! |
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I fully agree that this was a ploy to keep fans in the seats, along with helping Bernie out. Prolly called it a wash on what he owed them and gave him a couple grand to boot, but Bernie is not moving up here and prolly will not make much of an impact. The only thing I like about this is when Mangini and his horrible play calling no defense of a staff is gone Bernie will be there at the doorstep.
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dear bernie
after the mess of trainging camp, trades, free agents brought in by mangini and his puppet general manager.....it's really time to earm your money and consult the owner who obviously knows nothing about a football organization bernie.....it's time to take control of the huddle!!!!! |
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Unless he has hiring and firing athority, he's usless IMO.
-------------- Dawg Gone (I Miss using the term ManKok) |
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Just a thought here.
As I understand the process of the QB's role in a passing play (never having been a QB myself), the QB comes up to the line of scrimmage and knowing the play that has been called (knowing the playbook and the routes to be run) makes a pre-snap read of the defense. At this time, he should have an idea of the coverage he will see and the routes that provide the most lukely options to be successful. After the snap, in the first second or so, he should be able to see who has gotten into their routes clean and how the defense is moving in the secondary and which receivers have single coverage or are likely to be open. By the time he reaches the top of his drop, the QB should know not only where he is going with the ball but what the field will look like (not just at this instant) when the ball reaches the target. This is, I believe, refered to as "Field Vision" or "seeing the field" and gives the QB a good idea of where he needs to put the ball so the receiver can make a play on it (ball placement) and the defender can't. If the QB has a good setup and good mechanics, he should be able to make an accurate throw to a receiver who can make a play. I think DA (and to some degree all the current QBs) are having trouble with mechanics (effecting accuracy) and "field vision" (effecting decisions) because there hasn't been an experienced, solid, veteran with these skills to learn from. The QB coaches can teach mechanics but can they teach "field vision". I think this is why DA throws so many balls into double and triple coverage when there are better options, I think he is just guessing. I also think this may be why BQ is so tenative at times, because he isn't confident in his reads and is afraid to make a mistake. Bernie Kosar has been hired as a consultant to do what? Spy on the staff (that's kind of silly). Teach the coaches how to coach (what expertise does he have in this area)? Run the offense from the background (sounds pretty stupid when Snyder does it). Maybe Kosar has been brought in to help in his greatest area of expertise, to teach the QBs how to play the position in their heads (see the field). After all he is considered to be one of the best at this in the last 30 years or so. It makes more sense to me than the other hypotheses being thrown out there. As for why there has been no change at QB, maybe the staff is waiting to see the results and whichever QB (if any) gets it first, gets to be the starter. Just a thought. |
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To suggest Bernie has any teaching( coaching) capacity flys in the face of what captain Queeg (Mangini) will allow. Bernie is window dressing. I like what you ave to say about QBs and the process. here is a probable DA. 1) Oh no THEY called that again, look at my teamates as they roll their eyes and I cry its not my fault. 2) EVERYBODY is covered, I have no Winslow, no Edwards, nobody is getting open, I have to throw it to SOMEBODY. 3) I am getting hit.... FUMBLE or I will Force it in there, uh oh another pick.. 4) Please take me out, my teamates HATE me. Why are you letting me humiliate any chance of playing in this league again. |
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Have Bernie put on the pads and get out on the field. If Favre can do it in his 40s, Bernie should be able to, too. He can't do any worse than the current QB roster. Trade Anderson and Quinn for two cases of Strohs and a 5th round draft choice in 2017. Throw Mangini in for free.
It's time for a major mid-season overhaul. |
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wow, Kosar as a Brown once again ,,,
Remember those days Guy's ? Now that WAS a Football Team ! Badges ? we dont need no stinkin badges ! |
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I agree and have been through rehab. I just don't like people saying that bernie is not sober. There are medications that are prescribed that make people sound like they are drunk. He is from my hometown and he is also my hero. If he needs some type of help is up to him. But please don't critisize before you know what is is that is going on !!!
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I am glad Kosar is there.. I think a passion for Cleveland is something missing. We are football, we have a rich history.. I hope he can be some kind of part in stopping our destruction which is .. well, can it get worse? maybe...
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Ummm,theres definitley lots of passion which describes the current upheaval from many fans that support our team as we speak. To this day we have gotten worse and are in desperate need of changes for the better; most importantly including the basics of any franchise: a solid foundation,consistency,improvement and wins. Perhaps Bernie can also lend us some of his expertise,wisdom and background and can work along side with the current regime with the same goals likewise. Hopefully this will work out and help remedy some of our circumstances and the Cleveland Brown's fans will once again have something to be proud of.
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I'm getting tired of hearing all this stuff about Bernies speach and how he is a drunk etc. etc.On the Tony Riz. show it was explained by Bernie that he had numerous concussions when he played.Back then you did,nt leave the game and come back two weeks later when you were feeling better.He admitted that his brains got a little scrambled and his speach has been affected due to this.Give the guy a break!GO BROWNS!!!
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agree give him his credit. but on the other hand how much help cam a man be with his brains got a little scrambled ? |
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Thought this was a good Article recently published about Bernie, and what looked most promising, is the part about Bernie recognizing superior coaching talent when he sees it.
Great thoughts, I really don't think he's here to teach the staff how to more effectively do their jobs, however I do think he was brought here to be more than a QB coach. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Dover_Dawg,  "We may not get there in one year or even one term" Barack Obama |
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Yes, I remember...and how close those guys were to greatness. They were fun to watch for sure. |
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Bernie has forgotten more about football than most people will ever know, so that puts him ahead still. If anyone can turn this mess around, it is he. ---- |
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God yeah! The most exciting football, played by guys who LOVED this city and the fans. The 1987 Browns were one of the greatest Browns teams ever. So much incredible talent, so much hope we had... God, it brings tears to my eyes. Will we ever see the like again? ---- |
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Ok Bernie, time to help Randy out, he's frustrated and ready for change!!!!
"We may not get there in one year or even one term" Barack Obama |
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I hope so, And soon ! I hope me,you and 53DAWGS2WIN are not the only 3 ol' bast#rds on here that remember wearin orange & brown around the town meant something, Now, I actually took the Browns flag off my flag pole outside, tired of people throwing eggs at it.. Badges ? we dont need no stinkin badges ! |
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Don't worry, I remember those days as well. --------------------------------- If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with BS. |
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as does many of us
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Hire Steve Young while your at it (dudes way smarter then bernie and I love BK) and bring in Chuckie to coach this group of misfits. We (the fans) need a voice and that "voice" is NOT Eric Mangini........ The coach needs to speak to the fans. Agree ?
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I think Bernie will have a prominent role this season with or without Mangini. There is soo much divsion amongst the team itself. I think Mangini is much to blame but we did play a tough schedule our first eight games. I won't sit and defend Manginis approach but someone needs to make a bride of co-hesion among the coach & players. We fans cant take much more.
Furthermore, Bernie has taken a huge financial hit and possibly gotten beyond the personal problems, of which is no of my business.. I think Bernie sees things in a different way than a Mangini or Romeo would. He's a fan. Eric was a ballboy in Cleveland. Bernie drew up plays in the dirt for Webster Slaughter because Bullychic wouldn't hire an OC for him. There is something to be said of coaching experience or the lack of, but I have a hunch Bernie IS going to step into some formidable role for 2009 Browns. Just a hunch and also something we need. A fresh mind on Offense. 5 TD's by Daboll in 8 games. Tell me Bernie cant write on a napkin 5 TD's in half a season of football. He's as disgusted as we are and Lerner is leaning on his insight. I think it will land him our QB coach at the very least. Heres to Bernie.. Our new something or other coach. We need help. We've seen Mo Carthons and Dabol's of the world. No more excuses. New Orleans Defense has scored more than our offense. Thats pretty sick, dawgs. My motto used to be- You Gotta stop somebody. I have to now conform-You Gotta get in the end zone. I guess thats rockt science in Cleveland. All we hear about is a lack of talent, alack of this, a lck of that.... Enough already! We have an easier second half schedule so lets build something. 30-6 every frickn Sunday will leave you with drug problems and divorces if you continue to watch Daboll (Manginis guy). This message has been edited. Last edited by: REFEREE19, |
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I use to cruise over to P'ville & watch S/T @ Lakeland CC Back in the day when "Practice & Exhibition " games were free.
Now I am just waiting to see who our new Head Boss will be. _______________________ |
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you know, on paper it looks great, but if he going thru all these disruptions, he may be more of a hinderance....thses issues he has do not heal on a short time frame.....good luck bernie... |
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don't bet on easy 2nd half....i see 1 game we might win.......kc....that is it....and that is a hugh maybe.....i have seen better high school teams than this bunch of clowns.....seriously.. |
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If you aren't old enought to remember the 80's please trust us that are. Kosar is the best player the Browns have had in 25 years. He wanted to play here. He went in the supplemental draft to play with the Browns in 85. He graduated early from Miami and will turn us around by just having the owners ear come draft time. Lerner saved his own butt just watch
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IF Kosar had a say AND LERNER were really listening Daboll probably would be GONE. I doubt Bernie would have advised the scapegoating of Kokonis when manginis paws were on every single rotten short end of the stick deal this team has made. Mangini still has control and Bernie is for publicity to keep the rabble at bay.
Bernie needs the $$$$ and Lerner does not really want to spend the big bucks to have a top team. 4 rookie GMs under the Lerners, years thrown away, a rudderless, captainless ghost ship of broken football dreams and Lerner has bernie to tell the fans...what? Bernie has no COACHING Capacity, even though he could call plays on the fly with Quinn and do a FAR superior job than the overly challenged Daboll. He has no official management capacity: the control freak King of Queens would not allow that, so his voice and opinions carry no weight, they are paper currency backed by "no coin", and those confederate dollars the fans hope they can cash in for better times...at the Bank of the Lerner Browns are not even redeemable for a hot dog. |
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Actually no i dont, but that was because i was either not born yet or too young to remember.... thats one of the main reasons of my bitterness actually, browns fan my whole life, nothing but disappointment.... *sigh* two decades of disappointment from this "franchise". --------- Welcome to Cleveland! Home of the famous Tiredcat formation and the premier place that QB's come to kill their careers. |
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What do people see in Bernie? Yes he was a good/great player. But he has had not one single ounce of success as anything other than a player. It is one thing to set in a pressbox and say what a coach should have done it is another thing to actually plan something yourself.
Everybody has stated they want a GM with experience, but yet these same people are screaming for a guy who has no experience at anything other than a former player to run the whole thing. I just don't get it. Don't get me wrong I would like to see Bernie use his insight to help the team, but let's start off with him beng a QB coach before we make him GM or Offensive Coordinator. Once more into the breach |
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Actually, he was the President or GM (not sure which) of the Gladiators, and turned around a perennial loser to a winner in one season. While it was a different league, it was still football and still experience. ---- |
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. He could not do any WORSE than the debacle we are seeing currently. I expect Lerner is as sick of hiring and firing new coaches as we are of seeing them hired and fired. You think Lerner WANTS to have empty seats? Perhaps Bernie was brought in as someone who will be honest in his opinions and give constructive feedback to Lerner about what is really wrong in this organization. Because I dont know how else Lerner can do it. He is NOT a football guy--that is why he hires a GM. Obviously, Lerner feels that things are not going well and I expect Bernie is there to take notice of what those things are (besides the team sucking). Bernie is a God in this town, and he has the rare position of being able to say something and have others listen. Hopefully, Lerner will.