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I know you are dying to make your cases. Go!
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Anyone with a proven record of Winning...Not another "rookie" GM! This losing year after year stuff needs to end!
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At this point, I think the only choices that should be made for FO candidates are people with proven records, no exceptions.
I know Mr. Lerner isn't shy about spending money, so I suggest he consults Accorsi and anyone else with a pedigree of success in making any future decisions. He needs to get a solid list of candidates, and then get second or even third opinions on those candidates. And for goodness' sake, please tell him not to let mangini have any say in the next FO staff hiring process. I'm begging you. I would recommend Denny Green off the top of my head for GM, give him the authority over the draft as well as final say on the roster. He made Arizona into a team that went to the Superbowl, and the Cardinals were sub-par for a very long time. If this involves coaching changes, please do not make Denny a coach. If you hire him, utilize him as GM. Regarding a potentially new president, I would get Newsome, but we all know he is happy in Baltimore. If he came back it would lift spirits and add substantial credibility to our team, however. I won't get into coaching other than to say I think Bernie Kosar should replace Daboll as the OC. Yes, I'm serious. My 2 cents, -GrahamFan |
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Gettlemen, Accorsis first recommendation last year. I'm sort of with the above poster, I think Denny Green might make a good GM, especially if he had some help with a true, seasoned football guy but what is he doing these days? does he want back into football?
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denny is coaching a team in the new ufl. and brady quinn....aaaas the beaver! |
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Ah I hadn't realized he's already committed elsewhere. |
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WEll I have no NFL experience other than watching it, but I would be watching film every day of players I'm looking to bring in and I would work HARD. If you can even call that hard work.
Also I have ideas for ways of structuring my scouting staff that I don't think anyone uses but I think will be successful. There you have it, that's my case. If we're talking about who we want keep talking to Accorsi until he gives in. ------------------------------ We are NOT better without K2! We need a new OC, and maybe head coach too... |
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I would love to see a former coach in this position. As much as I would love Cohwer, Gruden or Shottenheimer as a head coach - I would gladly take any of those 3 as a GM.
If Cohwer doesn't want to coach - maybe he is ready to go to the next level. I would trust any of those 3 with coaching and personnel decisions. |
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I think its pretty obvious this FO has been thinking to "tank" this season from the getgo. 2010 draft here we come!
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I'm going to stir the pot a little; Most fans are going with the obvious, Acorsi, Dungy, Holmgren, etc...here's a thought;
There is a coach out there that has won a few Superbowls this decade. It's a coach that we keep hiring from his tree....Belichik! How long will he want to continue coaching? Isn't it time for him to take the next step? Mangini may benefit from hiring him! Continuity WILL be established. He has an EXCELLENT draft track record!He can copy the successful Patriot formula and DESTROY that team at the same time  The downside, 1st timer GM. May turn out like when we hired him as 1st timer head coach  Opinions? ----------------------------- Select Eric Berry PLEEEASE! Formerly, kosarforOC |
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Bill wouldn't leave the Pats for a GM job with the Browns. He is well respected in NE and has no reason to leave. Untill he gives a sign that he is ready, he won't be lured away. But it could be a nice situation if he did come here again.
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how about Jimmy Johnson
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I would go after Rich McKay as General Manager, and then let him hire his own head coach.
Here's a little about his professional career from wikipedia.com: Tampa Bay Buccaneers As general manager for the Buccaneers from 1993 to 2003, McKay directed six teams that reached the NFC playoffs and one team that won a Super Bowl title. In 1996, McKay hired Tony Dungy as head coach, and in 1999 the Bucs played in the NFC Championship Game. During his tenure as general manager, McKay drafted players such as Mike Alstott, Ronde Barber, and Warrick Dunn. In 2002, McKay tried to hire Marvin Lewis to be the head coach of the Buccaneers after Dungy was fired but was overruled by team ownership, who then hired Jon Gruden for the position instead. McKay constructed the 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers roster that featured seven Pro Bowl players. Also, the Buccaneers' 41 Pro Bowl selections between 1997 through 2002 were the most in the NFL. Atlanta Falcons In December 2003, McKay left the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and was introduced as president and general manager of the Atlanta Falcons. In his first season of directing operations, the Falcons went to the NFC Championship Game against the Philadelphia Eagles. In January 2008, the Falcons hired Thomas Dimitroff as general manager, relegating McKay to the position of team president. Competition committee McKay is also the co-chairman of the NFL competition committee, making him one of the more influential executives in the league. -- The only way to go, Draft Taylor Mays in '10! |
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Im only responding to your sig and thats to let you know that taylor mays is slipping down many draft boards because he is just not that good so no we should not draft him On the note of GM how about we bring in a guy who will clean house very quickly and get this whole thing turned around. My top candidate would be Cowher but not as a coach as a GM. Or how about Jim Brown i mean seriously i would love to hear the browns announce that one |
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Cant, his hair gel would freeze the latter part of the season. |
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We need an OC too. Dabol has shown nothing. But back to the post, I would love to see Cohwer, Shotenhiemer, Green, or even Gibbs get involved with the Browns.
We need proven winners that know personnel. |
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I really hope we go away from the Baltimore/New England connection, the only obvious exception being Ozzie (but that's a pipe dream). Here are my realistic choices:
Rich McKay - A proven track record, and he is excellent in the draft. As an added benefit, he withdrew his name from consideration when Mangini was hired as coach, so we know he would bring in a new coach. Chris Polian - He is the VP of football ops for the Colts and son of Bill Polians who turns everything in to a winner. I don't think the apple has fallen far from the tree, as Chris is often a popular choice when GM positions come up. I would also add Gettleman (Acorsi's #1) to the list because the Giants have shown stability and strong drafts. I hope whoever the new leader takes a long hard look at Russ Grimm to be the Head Coach, and drafting Eric Berry (whoever said Taylor Mays is crazy, that guy will be an average linebacker in a couple years). ------------------------------ Tim Couch is the ONLY Browns quarterback to beat the Steelers since 1999. |
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Since it seems Ernie Accorsi is out of the running...
My first choice for Team President would be Charley Casserly with him picking his GM and then both picking the Head coach. A very very close second would be Mike Holmgren as Team President with him picking the GM etc. If he wanted Mariucci as GM I wouldn't kick too hard. I think that guy has a lot of passion for the game and a solid football acumen. They have worked together before. It would of course be his choice. The main theme though should be..... Pick a Team President, have him choose a General Manager he can work closely with, and have the two of them chose a Head Coach they both can work closely with. Someone with the same vision of where they want this team to go and how they want to get there. Should have been done that way this time. Likely wouldn't be in the mess we are in now. That's what I'd like to have happen. What will happen? WHo knows, we could just as easily hire another yes man for Mangini and watch him run the whole show. With our history it would seem likely. -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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Lerner is still supporting Mangini. No quality GM will want to come here because of that. The way Randy is acting, it's as though Mangini is here next year no matter what. No respected and experienced GM would want to come to this train wreck of a team knowing they can't even pick their own head coach. Randy needs to cut the head off the beast (Mangini) to get anything going in the right direction. Have Rob Ryan be interim HC and get Mangini out of here!!! We can't blow this next draft. Mangini is building a team of tough and smart guys that get in the right spot to make a play, but lack the TALENT to make the play. We need explosive players. Under Mangini, we'll never see them. What Eric fails to realize is that we play in the AFC North. This is not the AFC east.
**I would love to see Bernie round up some former players like Clay Mathews and Brian Brennen. Have them go to Marty and plead with him to help restore Cleveland Browns football. Either hire Marty as a GM or HC. We need guys that had SUCCESS with the Browns to put their passion into our team to make it a winner. |
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Tid-bit pulled from Profootball weekly:
% Underrated NFL Executives Dave Gettleman Giants director of pro personnel Anyone who glances at the Giants' roster can see the success New York has had landing top pro acquisitions, including Pro Bowl MLB Antonio Pierce and C Shaun O'Hara, both of whom played pivotal roles in the Giants' Super Bowl XLII championship. Year in and year out, New York reloads its roster with veteran talent as well as any team in the league. A 23-year NFL veteran who is regarded as a straight shooter in NFL scouting circles, Gettleman has seen the game from every angle, as a high school coach, as a college scout and as a pro personnel evaluator. The former Springfield College offensive tackle is known for bringing his lunchpail to work and grinding. Considering that he interviewed for GM jobs in Cleveland and Kansas City this past offseason, the Giants might not be able to hold on to his services much longer. I would personally take a long look at Jeff Ireland from the Miami Dolphins. He has made sound decisions as GM there and has seen how to build a staff though years of work with Parcells. Lerner please find a way to fix this?!?!? I want Eric Berry!! |
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Tha is the way that it appears and I hope that we are wrong but it doesn't look as though we are. Which makes no sense to me what so ever. Mangini is terrible. |
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In my opinion, we need a fresh young energetic type of person. A person who knows football and not afraid to speak his mind. I think Marshall Faulk would be a perfect GM. He is good with the media, and has been rumored to be grooming for a front office position.
The only downfall is Marshall is rumored to be on the list of partners bidding to buy the St. Louis Rams. _______________________________________ Have a cold home brew and relax. It's no fun watching new grass grow, but after two summers it is all green and no weeds! |
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To everyone that wants us to take a safety in the first round, HOW ABOUT NOT!!!!
I mean if we trade down then maybe but if this team takes a safety in the top 20 picks of this draft then we are even more screwed for next season. I know the defense needs some help but how about we actually draft a stud offensive player this next year. It just makes more sense to take a stud offensive player because this team needs to score. I know theres a couple out there i would love to have CJ Spiller for starters would be a great addition or my personal favorite DEZ BRYANT would be great. Plus if we trade down i would love to draft Jermaine Gresham from oklahoma this team needs a TE. Anyway whoever the new GM is i hope they think about this when they draft we need offensive players. I would love any of your guys suggestions as the new GM just as long as they help fire manigni. How about this we hire Bill Parcells to come in show this team whats up and get this team on the right path |
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I guess I missed the point where this thread was about the draft? GM/FO Executive Think Tank must mean draft whoops my fault please delete my previous post about the GM hires much thanks. Lerner please find a way to fix this?!?!? I want Eric Berry!! |
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I don't want to see Mangini in on the hiring of a new GM. Because I've seen too many bad decisions from him already. I want him fired.
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no No NO!!!!!! I will not put you down but, instead ask you to research this out more. He was NOT responsible for the Rise of the Cards. Ken Weisenhunt was/is. Browns fan in Az. _______________________ |
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President - Casserly
GM - Holmgren HC / DC - Ryan Asst HC / OC - Schottenheimer ------------------------------------------------------------" I wuv triple time harch" - Madeline Kahn ( History of the World Part1) |
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Gettleman sounds like a good choice to me, well rounded experience and he would be totally respected by Mangini. I would guess it is almost impossible to get him before the Giant's season ends, so have Accorsi step in as interim and go after this guy.
____ Yoda: NO! Try Not, Do Or Do Not, There is no try!!! |
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First off I have to admit that I have only a very vague idea what a GM and a team President do. That makes it kind of hard for me to recommend one person or another. About all I know is that a GM will often be the guy who has the final say on who gets drafted and who is on the roster. If we have a strong GM do we need a team president too? I honestly don't know the nitty-gritty of how an NFL FO works or should work.
With that caveat, first and foremost what this team needs is a good talent evaluator. Whether he's the head coach, or GM, or president or whatever the title. We absolutely have to get someone who can draft well and can make good decisions regarding personnel. While I admit to not having any special knowledge, the one guy who I think Lerner can get and who I'd be excited to see in the FO would be Mike Holmgren. There's more that I'd like to see, but I don't think Lerner can get, like Accorsi. There's other guys that I think Lerner can get, but I just don't know anything about so I wouldn't be all that excited about like that Gettleman guy. Two guys I absolutely don't want are Cowher and Shanahan. I don't have any faith that either of them can evaluate talent. I'd rather have someone who is a nobody but who can actually do the job, than have a big name guy who makes a big splash when he's hired and then sucks at talent evaluation. I really think this whole fiasco with Kokonis, regardless of who is at fault, will make Lerner get it right this time. ********************************************** Nothing shocks me anymore. Well, except for the cop with a Taser that one time. |
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I had thought Denny was responsible for getting Fitzgerald, Boldin, and Warner into the Cards. Was I wrong? If so I apologize. |
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I think Lerner has mangini on a short leash and if he got a quality G.m. he would not hesitate to show mangini the door if the G.M. had someone else in mind. Remember this is a results based league and there is little positive to mention about mangini. Don't get me wrong I like mangini but I don't think that will be a rough spot hiring a new G.M.
Respect all, fear none. |
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I don't think Lerner is necessarily supporting Mangini and if he is here next season, I don't think it's on Lerner's shoulders.
From how thinks are sounding, Lerner will hire a director of football operations or someone to handle the GM duties and that person, whomever that will be will take a look at the team and make changes where necessary. If that guy deems Mangini not a good fit, he would make the decision to fire mangini, not lerner. ________________________ Retain Mangini! |
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Being a head coach is a completely different skill set than being a GM. Just like being a OC or DC is a different skill set than being a HC. Just because these guys were good HC's doesn't mean they will be good GMs. Similarly, great OCs and DCs don't always make great HCs. There is a long list of top coordinators that flop as HCs. It is a completely different skill set. Look at Mike Nolan. He went from top DC, to a poor HC, and back to a great DC. Just like Morninweg, Mularky, Lebeau, etc. i could see your guys as HC choices, but not GM choices. _______________________ Rule#76: No excuses...Play like a champion |
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If for no other reason than the Reggie Bush/Mario Williams debate, I would love to have Charlie Casserly as a GM. He put a LOT of talent on that Texans team. He drafted Mario Williams, Demeco Ryans (DROY), Owen Daniels, Charles Spencer that year.
_______________________ Rule#76: No excuses...Play like a champion |
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Bernie needs to sway OZZIE NEWSOME to come home to Cleveland and be the Browns GM.
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Bill Gates
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Floyd Christmas (Dumb and Dumber)
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Hands down best decision!!! |
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I have a great idea to contribute to this thread how about we sign either phil savage or romeo crennel to be our GM at least while they were here we won 4 games lol
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Whoever we get, I sure hope that talent evaluation is his strong suite.
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