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And to this day the Texans hace ZERO playoff appearances and ZERO winning seasons. And they've never finished above THIRD in their division. ------------------------------ We are NOT better without K2! We need a new OC, and maybe head coach too... |
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They can hire the janitor for all I care as long as he then fires Mangini!
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Gruden would make our QB situation worse. Cowher - while can coach - can NOT pick talent Schottenheimer already said he's not interested - though I'd trust him with that track rcord. ------------------- Browns without Braylon Edwards, 1-0. Jets with Braylon Edwards, 0-1. coincidence? |
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Yep, I agree. I thought this was a joke suggestion at first lol. |
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President - Casserly GM - Holmgren HC/ST - Seeley Asst HC/DC - Ryan (Interim) OC - Kosar |
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First off I think we should fire Daboll and let Carl Smith take over as OC, and then have Bernie become the Quarterbacks Coach as well. Then boot Mangini from the Head Coach and replace him with Ryan and install Mangini as DC or Romeo or whoever since Ryan should stick to the defense play calling still anyway. As for GM I like the idea of Shanahan or Billick since there both offensive minded and Ryan is good with the Defense, plus I think they have both drafted very well.
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And Lerner is already paying them  |
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whoever is hired at GM has to be a winner with a proven record. Also it is very important that he is here for the long term and not tied to his coaching selection as was the problem with the Savage/crennel experiment. They must be independant of each other and evaluated as such. GM picks the talent and does the business end of things, coaches coach.
--------- Welcome to Cleveland! Home of the famous Tiredcat formation and the premier place that QB's come to kill their careers. |
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Please for the love of god.....MIKE HOLMGREN!!!!!!!!
Browns have 10 years of revolving door at QB. Holmgren had his hands on Montana, Young, Favre and Hasselbeck. The guys either knows how to bring along a QB, or how to spot good ones.....either way WE NEED THIS MAN!  Two Years, Two Pro Bowls. |
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I agree with you here, I would love to see a GM hired with successful GM stints. _______________________ |
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Hmmm interesting take. _______________________ |
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I second Mike Holmgren. Tony Dungy would be my second choice for President/GM. He would have an impact reaching far beyond that of Parcells in Miami.
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________________________ Retain Mangini! |
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AMEN that's what i changed my sig to a few days ago. I also would be happy with the Chris Polian idea someone had or with the guy that was recommended by Ernie last year Dave Gettleman. I think any of those 3 would be good i think. Long as we stay away from the Belichick tree and the Raven tree unless it's Belichick himself or Ozzie, that's the only way i would pluck that tree again. I was one of the few that was trying to give Mangini the benefit of the doubt through the season but, i just don't buy his ability anymore. I also feel he was more to blame for Kokinis getting fired than anything Kokinis did. Mangini jumped ship on him to save his butt more than likely. Plus, how can you trust someone that rats on someone that was suppose to be his mentor and gave him his first job. Holmgren GM/President and Mariucci or Gruden Head Coach. |
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it be nice to have ozzie to come in but the chances of that are pretty slim. I dont really care for the Holmgren or Gruden idea.
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How many GMs actually have final say on the roster?
____ Yoda: NO! Try Not, Do Or Do Not, There is no try!!! |
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I would love to see Holmgren in the organization in some capacity. He has hands down proven that he can 1) Win and 2) develope quarterbacks. For those of you saying Gruden...I have to respectfully disagree. He won a Super Bowl with Dungy's team (much like Tomlin did with Cowhers).
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If it's Casserly as Prez and Holmgren as GM, who has final say on personnel? And could those two guys get along with each other or would they be butting heads all the time? Plus if Mangini is retained (not likely) or a headstrong coach is hired, that could become the perfect storm of conflict with three egos like that. As for Bernie, I'd really like to see him as some sort of OC assistant with his main job offensive playcalling. Not that I think that would happen of course. ********************************************** Nothing shocks me anymore. Well, except for the cop with a Taser that one time. |
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Let's bring the guys back together! Marty as GM and Cohwer as coach! This would be the ultimate grab! Hope Lerner is reading this and Marty and Cohwer would consider this!
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I like the list--especially Cohwer! What about Holmgren if he'd come back into a GM role? I know he retired, but my in laws are from Seattle, and the rumor is that it's a sabbatical of sorts not a real retirement. |
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IN OUR DREAMS! Would love to see that combo!!! |
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I thought about him too. Might as well just post my list, since I've been replying to everyone elses: Cowher Schottenheimer Dungy Holmgren Jimmy Johnson Any thoughts to Shanahan, or did he commit elsewhere? |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by SIPE:
Lerner is still supporting Mangini. No quality GM will want to come here because of that. The way Randy is acting, it's as though Mangini is here next year no matter what. No respected and experienced GM would want to come to this train wreck of a team knowing they can't even pick their own head coach. Randy needs to cut the head off the beast (Mangini) to get anything going in the right direction. Have Rob Ryan be interim HC and get Mangini out of here!!! We can't blow this next draft. Mangini is building a team of tough and smart guys that get in the right spot to make a play, but lack the TALENT to make the play. We need explosive players. Under Mangini, we'll never see them. What Eric fails to realize is that we play in the AFC North. This is not the AFC east. 100% absolutely positively totally agree with you, Sipe. By the way, the 17 in my screen name has never been for B. Edwards. It's the only #17 that's mattered in my lifetime, and that's SIPE! |
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In our dreams is right. I would LOVE the same combination but I think the chances are slim and none. Neither Marty or Cowher have shown any interest. |
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Actually, in 2007 we won 10. Best since we've been back, if I'm not mistaken. And no, not that I want them back, but it was better than what we have now. |
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i like what few others said...holmgren
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Nice Post Sipe, but if Lerner were to cut off the head of the beast he would lop off his own. After he was "disgusted" at the end of last season he promised to hire a top GM to conduct a thorough search for the next head Coach. He did a George CostanZa opposite. He knee jerk hired Mangini and hired his fourth rookie Gm in a row. We all see the results, and Randy fires the Toady, not the guy responsible for this mess, and furthermore, Mangini will be consulted to get his man in there. So you think this groundhog day in Hell is over...No Way. Randy Halfway measures Lerner is still at the controls. After we get beat 52-0 by the Ravens and the fans file out at halftime will Randy stick with Mangini...you bet. the Jets are paying Mangini. Cosco Lerner won't pay for a Top GM, and a top GM Won't be a Mangini houseboy. |
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wow. now go make that happen. seriously. |
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Heard on the Dan Patrick Show a couple of weeks ago Holmgren saying he'd come back now. I would absolutely do everything possible if I was Lerner to get Ozzie on board. A proven winner -- on the field and in the front office |
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What about Floyd Reese, the former GM of the Titans as GM of the Browns?
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I don't see Bill losing the sweatshirt for a suit and tie - no way - He is a natural born coach and that is why he is great, His Passion in coaching. If learner really wants a winner here I think he should through in minority ownership to the Ozzy or Marty or even Cowher, They definatley would show interest in the job IMMMEDIATLEY. ------------------------------ Derek Anderson 10.5 QB rating week 8-NOT SMACK JUST FACT |
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Why would anyone other than someone w/out a lot of options want to come to Cleveland as a GM or head coach?
Get real. Junior continuously buckles under fan and media pressure and then fires people. The firings pacify the mob. The mob then gets excited about the new guys coming in and rips anyone who questions the new hires. A few months later, the mob is at it once again. The constant change has led to consistent losing. A top quality guy would have to be out of his mind to accept a job w/the Browns. We're screwed and have been for quite some time. |
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Bring Marty back he can be the G.M. and tutor for Mangini he would put up with the bull---t
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I still think there's some hope. We need someone who won't put up with mangini's nonsense, and will take charge.
There are people who thrive on football challenges, and have made successful franchises out of what we currently have; the question is, will they come here? Maybe. Will they turn us into winners? Possibly, though it's going to take more than an offseason to right this trainwreck. I can certainly appreciate that we've all waited 10 years for a competitive team, and the closest we came was the first half of the '07 season. I know, I'm a browns fan too (see name). It stings my pride just as much as it does yours. HOWEVER, if we do manage to get someone with some serious credentials to head this organization, we need to give the new GM time to show he is the dominant dog in the organization, take over draft picks, etc. Once he shows that, and he will if it's one of the guys I'm hoping for, we'll be set. Mangini has some solid philosophies, he just makes for a crummy GM. He needs to be put in his place, and strictly relegated to COACHING duties. He should not have the final say on the roster, nor should he be in control of our draft picks like he was this year. So again, that leads us to this: who in their right mind, coming from a solid football background, would want to work with Mangini? You've got me there, I can't think of any of those guys. If we were to score some established professionals as President and GM, I wouldn't be suprised if Mangini were kept on a short leash and told to keep quiet. At least, that's what I hope for. And I sincerely hope all mangini says when the new GM is picked is "yes, sir" and that's it. We don't need another one of his lackeys for him to push around and then place the blame on next year when mangini's handpicked draft selections don't turn out like he hoped they would. My 2 cents -GrahamFan |
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Holmgren would be the best choice and will be on top of EM. No more craziness allowed. Get this thing back and track and that's the man to do it.
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Wasn't Holmgren the one who took Frye to Seattle?
If I'm remembering incorrectly I apologize. And of course I'll also concede that I really don't think he was remotely considering making him a starter, but a project for a backup (or was it 3rd string?) 
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I want Mangini to be able to fulfill his contract. When it's done, then whomever runs the football aspect of the team can make a decision along with Randy and the Team President. Holmgren would be my #1 choice for the football side of it. Whether you call him a GM or a VP of Football Ops, I don't care. He knows coaching, he knows personnel and he damn well knows the game. I would like to see Kosar with a position in the organization, but I feel he would make a better OC or QB coach than GM or personnel guy at this point.
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DO YOU GUYS REALLY THINK WE ARE GOING TO GET A NEW GM with mangini here? Most GM's are going to want to hire their own coach....do you really think anyone...especially someone highly qualified is going to want to come here knowing that they have to deal with mangini and thats all there is to it? It seems like lerner is just making the same mistake he made in the first place
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Cowher cant pick talent?!?!?!?!?!? |
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If I had to place people in the FO right now, it would be:
President - Casserly GM - Gettleman Head Coach - Casserly/Gettleman decide on HC. . |
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