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the biggest problem I have (and have always had) with DA is his inability to do a quick read of the defense at the line. He gets locked in on the receiver He thinks will make the best play, then, if that receiver is locked down, he just throws it harder.
Braylon has not helped dropping the easy ons, but at least three of those drops were thrown so hard I doubt jerry Rice could have held on. While at Notre Dame BQ willed a team with no running game and one decent reciever to a far better record than the should have had. He showed an ability to improvise for positive yards when there didn't seem to be anything available. 12:58 Offensive Time of Possession in 2nd half 6:38 offensive time of possession in 4th qtr THIS is why the Defense ran out of gas at the end. NO DEFENSE can continue to take that kind of pounding that late in the game. A fresh defense makes bigger plays and gets off the field quicker. This happens with offensive game/clock management. I'm still scratching my head over the run on 1st down, run on 2nd down, throw for third and long, punt game plan after we were up by 14. The rush was not there all day. I was suprised Jamal got 49yds rushing considering how little daylight he had to start with. Short passes cause the LBs to back off, which loosens up the running game, especially with aggressive defenses. BQ starting on a 4day turn around? abit iffy. The big plus is it is heavily injured Denver. (no Champ Baily, NO RBs) Is it ALL DAs fault? Of course not. Maybe this will wake up the team that Totally outplayed The New York Football Giants to the fact that they helped move DA to the bench. |
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i agree with rockie that the hard throws are almost on derick for his non touch.
We cant say we lose with this switch as of yet. I mean we are 3-5 and we have giving games away with 3 and outs and interceptions. We cant win with DA. He blew the last part of last year and he is blowning the first half of this year. I mean i wish i wasnt too lazy to show his qb rating for the last half of last year and the first half of this year. I doubt the DA fans would keep say ProBowler this and that |
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Trent Dilfer is a fricken idiot! How can you say benching the 31st ranked QB in the NFL was the wrong move? He says you don't sit the QB on a bad team, bench them on a good team only if the QB is holding them back. Hmmm, with a decent QB, the Browns ARE a GOOD team!
This is what really gets me.... He talks about how bad the Cowboys are right now in every facet of the game. Then says Tony Romo's return will change their season. So if I understand Trent, a good QB on the Cowboys BAD team will win but a change won't help us?  That guy pretended to be a NFL QB and now pretends to be an analysist! |
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I wonder if the organization hasn't given up on having receivers who can catch the long ball. Hence since BQ is better with the intermediate and short passing game, they are giving him preference. But DA, with receivers who didn't didn't drop passes continually, would look a lot different. Against the Ravens, he would have been near 300 yards with 3 TDS. And, for my money also, without the pick, since that came from playcalling that put him under progressively more pressure passing to people who couldn't catch, and then he threw the horrific pick. Not fixing our problems, but putting in BQ, looks like addressing how bad we look in the major media now. It is clear we miss Joe J., and we miss the Edwards who could catch, and we miss even Winslow who is only marginally getting into the game. Harrison is still underutilized. We are not getting off the field. These are big problems, and it isn't Anderson. All that said, we're better than Denver. But this is an organizational mess...
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Dilfer obviously is using this time to cry about his oust he had. Dilfer was soo bad he made frye look good.
He cant say that better qb play wouldnt help us at all. He also shouldnt knock the browns oganisation when he left here and played like poo elsewhere. We want a winner. We will chase away non winning qb`s. We would of stood behind derick if he played better. He played poor. Dilfer hasnt watched us like the browns fans on here do. |
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Last season; 10-6 last year, just missed the playoffs, sent a number of players to the pro bowl. Off-season; Hype builds up, receive atleast 3 or 4 nationally televised games, were predicted to win the division This year; Start out by going 0-8 to include pre-season, continue to start the guy (DA)who ranks ahead of only tyler thigpen(KC Chiefs, 3rd string, rookie)in QB rating. I would say the first half of the season has made the organization look bad more than Lerner replacing DA and undermining RAC does. |
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its a team decision. Rac said so. If he is in the minority then its still a deal. I mean Rac even said he was close to pulling him a game or 2 ago. Now he is unpullable? Wow i might of made up a word!!!
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Say what you want this organization indeed loses as it always does. Everything Dilfer said was right, sour grapes or not; this was stupid and it speaks volumes about how this team has no intention on addressing the real needs of this team but pinning it on Anderson as if that will fix this. It won't I know it won't. I'll follow the browns but I'm pretty much detached for the rest of this season, this team has a little too much skull-duggery going on for my taste.
this organization is in Dis-array and I believe the players are losing confidence in their leadership. I know I have none at this point. So enjoy Bwady all of you, I'm sure some defenses will. |
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A-ha! I suspected you were Versatile Dawg! "I could care less about the fans and the media... I've got a job to do and my job is to catch the football." - Braylon Edwards 12/16/08 |
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Thank God the DA experiment (torture for us fans) is finally over!!!!
I cheered for him last year, but he proved he was a one season wonder this year. Rookie QBs and backup QBs in the league were doing better than DA. Was he alone responsible? No, but his on-off performance cost us at least two games this year, as well as the playoffs last year. |
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I can't see how many of you are surprised DA got benched. It should have happened a few games ago. This team needs a leader and sound QB play.
Maybe Quinn's the answer maybe not, but DA isn't and we aren't going to the playoffs so Make the change. Browns fan since 1960. |
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1st BPG well intentioned as I believe you to be, if the Browns did things the way you or any other fan wanted them, I would think they were a bunch of idiots. Honestly hind sight is 20-20 in all instances, its tuff to make the right call up front. You can question the up front thinking all you want but I think your missing something here.
To many fans have the idea that they got all the ideas they don't. But lets try to bring some perspective to the entire situation, and lets look back at what was said from jump. 1st a franchise QB is the most difficult thing in all of football to find. They come from every draft position, and in fact they are about 50-50 even if drafted in the 1st round. "Perspective". I see fans post that BQ is a 1st rounder therefore he is better. Say what. Want that guy making your choices for you? I don't! Then you factor in DA, as inconsistant as he was and has been, he had a tramendous year last year. Factor in the Franchise QB being the most difficult position to fill, you don't give up quite yet. There is hope inspite of what some people think. The comment was that the Browns wanted to see if DA could improve and build off what he did last year. I agree 1000%, but I also know again a franchise QB is near impossible to find, so don't give up quite yet. The draft picks are meaningless, and continue to be so. Here is the why! The goal from the very beginning was to get find, beg borrow or steal a franchise QB, so wasted never. They will only be a waste if we don't come away with a franchise QB, that as of this moment has yet to be decided. Hold that thought, it could be, but onlu if DA and BQ flop. I would give up no less then 3 1st rounders to end the day with a QB the quality of Manning or Brady, wouldn't you? Thats the point, hopefully you get that much. Then there are those that have repeatedly bitched about there not being an open compition in pre-season. Fella's please, DA may not have had a quite good enough season to be a pro-bowler but he was within an eyelash, and when have you heard of a guy coming off a season like the one DA had having to compete for a job, it would have been stupid, not to name him the starter. Remember too, he was to be afforded the chance to build off what he did last season, just a chance. He never was given exclusive use of the car keys. Quinn was still here, and that says that he wasnt given the keys, not 100% do or die. And lastly if it had a been a open competion in pre-season DA would have still been the starter. BQ did start half the pre-season, and he wasn't actually all that impressive. Or at least not impressive enough to unseat DA. How soon we all forget to remember that!!! At the end of the day though BPG your wrong about the Browns on this front they have done and continue to try to find a franchise QB, up next BQ. I have a hard time thinking that what they have done is wrong all things considered, and like I said hind sight is always 20-20. JMHO Dawg |
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Steve Young on Monday Night Football summed it up, he said The Fans forced the choice to go with Quinn, he said the situation had to be bad for the fans to force a change, he said he thought Quinn would be a decent QB he said he is the most informed he knows the play book inside and out, he said he has the arm and he could be what the Brown's need to get out of the slump they're in.
_______________________ Bernie Kosar For GM!!!!! |
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I'm going to chime in and agree with these two statements. Derek Anderson in a terrific back-up. Starting for a year and a half will make hm a better back-up, but the bottom line: He's a back-up. The Browns organization and Browns fans know what Derek Anderson is and what he will be. Brady Quinn is the great unknown quantity. It's assumed he has some skills at the QB position, he has a great O-line, he has functional receivers. All he needs is the chance to prove he's the guy. The Browns are 3-5. Far from "out" of contention, but definitely a longshot, at best. Given Anderson's performance, we can expect a 3-5 or 4-4 finish (he seems to be alright every other game) giving the Browns a 6-10 or 7-9 record. Probably not good enough for a wild card. So, given all that, the ONLY choice is to start playing the popular Quinn. The Browns have to assess the quality of his play to make an educated decision with their top 15 draft pick. My opinion: I think Quinn will tear it up. He'll make rookie mistakes. He'll struggle some games. In the end, I think he's going to be an NFL QB and be the face of the Browns for years to come. |
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trent dilfer summed this mess up and i agree...said he and many of the nfl coaches disagree with the quinn sitiation....said d.a is not totally at fault..i agree...the team as a whole stinks...o.l stinks....we have no running game...we can't get the defense off the field for most of the game because of poor players and decisions....this organization is in total chaos...hello l.a...hello....2-3yrs...mark my words.... |
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I don't believe this move has the support of the GM, the coaches, or the players.
It was supported by the fans and media, which led to Junior butting in once again. We will continue to be a national laughingstock as long as Junior owns this team and gives in to what a largely ignorant fan base thinks. Even Steve Young said........."what I can't believe is they listened to the Cleveland fans?" w/an incredulous tone. Perhaps Brady will be better than DA. I hope he does. However, I think there is a good chance that DA will go somewhere else and be the better of the two qbs. I only think that because the people I know on the inside have been consistent in their belief that DA was the better qb. If that happens..........how does the franchise handle it? And speaking of what-ifs. I think the team will continue to struggle w/BQ at qb. I believe that is true because the team has some other issues that go beyond the qb situation. Despite what the Brat Pack claimed, the losses were not all on DA. Hell........look at the last game. He was one of the few who played well, yet the Brat Pack was chanting for Brady and filling up the boards and air waves w/outrageous remarks. So......if the team continues to falter...what do the fans demand next? Fire RAC? Fire Savage? Get a new OC? Start over once again? The handwriting is on the wall and that is what Dilfer, Young, and others are talking about. This franchise gives in to the wishes of the fans and as long as they do that....they will continue to lose, start over, lose, start over. I am so disappointed because I really felt that Savage and RAC would not buckle under the intense pressure from the fans and the media. In fact, during the entire off-season, I maintained that the Brown's biggest enemy would be the fans and media. That proved to be true and while I thought Savage and RAC were tough enough to withstand the mob, it appears that Junior overruled them. The most depressing aspect of this entire situation is not about who is playing qb. It is about how this franchise makes it decisions. |
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First let me start off with Trent Dilfer is a moron who is only using this fiasco to get more face time on ESPN. With that said he is right that you don’t change QB’s on a bad team, the thing is, this team isn’t that bad dropped passes be damned. So I do no agree with Trent’s overall assessment of this team from when he was here for a year, before we had any playmakers.
Then let me get into some responses. First there are the typical name calling, know it all posters who do the same thing they are accusing me of doing. I am sure you will get something from the refs, so I won’t even waste my breath on you. I really wish that some of you trolls would just stay in the game day forum, because you don’t belong in pure football. Second, I knew I should have waited to post this but I figured it would get deleted due to the barrage of DA/BQ threads. I knew it would turn out to be what it is, a “Yyaaaay Brady” thread and a DA bashing session. No way was this intended to be a whine, or complain session on DA or BQ vs. DA. As usual with this group, if you don’t agree with the Brady mob you’re {insert name calling here}.  You people make me sick.Lastly, I love the Browns and I feel they made a mistake on this little “plan” they had. Make no mistake about it this was the plan all along. If DA couldn’t take this team to the playoffs, insert Quinn at home versus a weak opponent. This had to be the plan, because if they feel that DA is a future star, this team ISN’T completely out of the playoff race yet, no matter what you trolls say. So there were are again on the mind sucking thing that entertains the masses (morons), the TV. So we are out there for every, fan, player, football personnel to see that we are again a mockery. Signing a new QB only to turn the reigns over to another. While in the end this might turn out to be the best thing for the Browns, in the mean time it is the fans who suffer through another year of failure. I won't turn my back, but I wonder how many fans will go buts when Quinn doesn't "light it up"??  -Two years, two Pro Bowls- |
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It's simple. DA hasn't produced in quite a few games. The only good game he had this season was against the Giants. This is the guy who couldn't win the starting job from Charlie"Hold the Rock" Frye last year. Brady Quinn, like him or not, is the face of this franchise. I just can't take no more of DA standing like a brick in the pocket and firing a rocket to a running back 4 yards away from him. Sure he throws one heluva deep ball, but when your receivers aren't catching them...what can ya do? IMO this team will rebound and thrive under Brady and if we catch a few break along the way....we may even still make the playoffs.
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