Of course this makes me breathe a heck of lot easier and it actually makes sense so that it could be the truth!

Crennel explains The Move

Nov 4th, 2008 @ 12:15 pm by Steve Doerschuk

“I felt like we needed a different dynamic on the offense. Our record, offensive ranking, offensive production. So I made the decision to make the change.
“I wanted to talk to the players before I informed anybody else. I talked to Anderson first, then Quinn.
“D.A … He was disappointed but he’s a professional … he’ll handle it. He’ll deal with it.
“Quinn was thankful. I think he’ll make the most of that opportunity.
“I think Quinn will represent himself and will represent the Browns very, very well.
“This is a lifetime opportunity for him.
“It’s my decision. I informed the organization what I was thinking. They told me it was my decision and they would back whatever decision I made. I feel like I have the organization’s backing.”
Chris Mortensen reported Crennel mioght not have been on board with the decision. Crennel laughed it off.
Any other starting lineup changes?
Crennel: “You guys read into everything I say, so all I’m saying is no.”
“It’ll be a little tough on Denver to do all their homework on Quinn. A lot of times teams just carry some of the basic things from the last game forward into the next game.”
“The crowd will definitely be for (Quinn). That should lift him up a little bit.”
Will the offense change?
“Not a whole lot. Not knowing exactly how he’s gonna play, we might limit him a little early on. If he can handle things, then we’ll go with more.”
“Maybe his arm is not as strong overall as D.A.’s, but he can throw the ball deep.”
Was the team surprised?
“I didn’t give them the opportunity to be surprised. I just told ‘em what it was.”
What was Quinn’s response?
“He said thank you.”

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Originally posted by BpG:
[QUOTE] First let me start off with Trent Dilfer is a moron who is only using this fiasco to get more face time on ESPN.

See, we can agree on some things.

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Then let me get into some responses. First there are the typical name calling, know it all posters who do the same thing they are accusing me of doing. I am sure you will get something from the refs, so I won’t even waste my breath on you. I really wish that some of you trolls would just stay in the game day forum, because you don’t belong in pure football.

Pot calling the kettle black. You can dish it but.... don't be scared man!

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Lastly, I love the Browns and I feel they made a mistake on this little “plan” they had. Make no mistake about it this was the plan all along. If DA couldn’t take this team to the playoffs, insert Quinn at home versus a weak opponent. This had to be the plan, because if they feel that DA is a future star, this team ISN’T completely out of the playoff race yet, no matter what you trolls say.

I agree the plan was bad. There should have been a competition during preseason. D.A couldn't take this team to the playoffs last year with that weak schedule. What makes you think he could do it this year? His performance was proving he couldn't!

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So there were are again on the mind sucking thing that entertains the masses (morons), the TV. So we are out there for every, fan, player, football personnel to see that we are again a mockery. Signing a new QB only to turn the reigns over to another.

You can believe this decision is why we are a mockery...I disagree completely. We are a mockery because we sign a WR out of Michigan that was KNOWN by ALL to drop the easy pass and yet we complain about it. But hey, let's make him the 3rd pick overall and reward his college dropsies with MEGABUCKS

We steal a QB off of the Ravens practice squad that was KNOWN by ALL to be an inconsistent gunslinger in college. We make him the starter by default and he has a good year against weak teams. Reward him with MEGABUCKS when no other team had interest. He continues to be the "I throw the ball hard, that's what I do" inconsistent QB that he has always been and we complain about it.

We sign a free agent WR that is KNOWN by ALL to be injury prone and reward him with MEGABUCKS. He stays injured this season and yet we complain about it.

I can continue this but I'll digress....

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While in the end this might turn out to be the best thing for the Browns, in the mean time it is the fans who suffer through another year of failure. I won't turn my back, but I wonder how many fans will go buts when Quinn doesn't "light it up"?? [/

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We are already suffering from a failed season! I haven't turn my back since 1972! Won't do it now

Quinn has the intangible that D.A. will NEVER have...A BRAIN! Kinda reminds of a dork of a QB we had that "LIT IT UP" because of his smarts...Bernie! If Quinn doesn't "light it up", we're in the same position we've been in since '99....LOOKING FOR A QB!

One last note, don't be afraid to call me out. I'm not the COWARD!

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Nope ... you have it right Romeo said one thing earlier in the day and it came out later in the day something different. So they it appears they hung the coach out to dry, knowing full well he had a press conference where the question would be asked.

Is this dysfunctional ... yes, very ... but this is not what Mr. Dilfer was talking about. He wasn't addressing this point in his attack on the Browns. He was just saying we should not have made the move to Quinn. Clearly bitter.

Wrong again. Dilfer was saying that the organization is dysfunctional because the owner listens to the fans and makes decision accordingly. It is about money w/Junior.

And as long as the Browns continue to run their organization in such a manner, they will continue to lose......start over......lose some more.....start over again......lose some more.

That is what he meant by "dysfunctional."

Unlike most of you here I have no idea who made the decision and what the ultimate driving force was behind it.

I would like to think that those in charge do not make decisions based on the whims of we fans - Dilfer not withstanding I doubt he has the ear of anyone of import in the FO that would throw the organization under the bus. His opinion is just that, conjecture and opinion; the fact that many have chosen to accept the rant of a washup QB, analyst wanna be is their choice.

What I do know is that DA has been inconsistent from one series to another and we never really know which DA is coming out of the huddle. This is not to say we could not win with him, other teams have won with QB's that are not HOF'ers (Dilfer comes to mind, which while lending no credence to him might explain his motivation, at least in part).

I also know that the record of this team can not be laid soley on DA's doorstep, Defense, coaching, runnng game, tackling, motivation, desire or lack thereof certainly play their part.

That said, we know what we have in DA - now is the time to see what we have in BQ - The last thing we need to do is to go into next season not convionced who the starter should be - an informed decison must be made and given the kinks in DA's armour it is painfully obvious he is not all we hoped he would be, he has his flaws, we have to determine if those are less than the flaws that BQ has and what direction we need to take, next year and beyond.

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Dilfer was saying that the organization is dysfunctional because the owner listens to the fans and makes decision accordingly. It is about money w/Junior.

So basically you think RAC is bold face lying??? I believe RAC and it makes sense on the way he stated DA is the Starter and then the BQ moved was made.

Also what a big lie it was for him to say this... “It’s my decision. I informed the organization what I was thinking. They told me it was my decision and they would back whatever decision I made. I feel like I have the organization’s backing.”

Hopefully you are just angry and wrong in your assessment - all I know is this is how I would have hoped this decision came down. Seems like it did.

JMHO

I am saying RAC is towing the company line, just like the old school, good soldier that he is. No shame in that. No blame either.

Of course, he also may have gained the fan's support w/those comments. LOL

Give it a rest. What's up with your ego that you constantly have to draw attention to yourself?

They're playing BQ just to find out what they have in player who they invested the equivalent of a 12 pick in the first round (when you add up the points of both the 1st and 2nd round picks used to get him). Not only does that pass the reasonableness test, most clubs would probably have done it earlier in the year. It would be unreasonable to go into next year w/o knowing what you had in this player. Even the most stone headed football fan can see that.

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Originally posted by robert7sass:

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I am so disappointed because I really felt that Savage and RAC would not buckle under the intense pressure from the fans and the media. In fact, during the entire off-season, I maintained that the Brown's biggest enemy would be the fans and media. That proved to be true and while I thought Savage and RAC were tough enough to withstand the mob, it appears that Junior overruled them.

The most depressing aspect of this entire situation is not about who is playing qb. It is about how this franchise makes it decisions.

Okay, first, I have been frustrated as a fan, because DA has stunk so bad, most of the media outside of Cleveland has felt the Browns were nuts for not pulling the plug. As I was sitting in a waiting room while purchasing a new car, I picked up a month old SI magazine, and they were calling for BQ to start and DA to be benched. This was during the Browns Bye Week, before the MOnday night game.

I think most of the media accross the country felt after 4 games, we shoudl have seen BQ. The timing of the decision shows dis-function of the organization, and the organization made this decision, not the fans. The organization is ultimately responsible for all their decisions, and the media claiming the fans "forced" this decision is ludicrous (sorry if I can't spell that word, I guess I am ignernt) The organization made the change, teh fans did not, and stop blaming the fans for the decision, just because we wanted it doesn't mean the decision was our fault. Come off it...

You are exactly right. The organization makes decisions based on the results on the field. Anybody who thinks Lerner said " Bench DA because that is what the fans want ", is crazy. They watch the same same games we watch. DA's production is terrible. No, not all his fault either.
Blame the wide receivers, blame injuries, and blame play calling all you want (with good reason), but DA has not performed well, so he sits. I agree with Bpg also, the whole situation was handled wrong. Let DA walk last year and take the picks. Maybe Phil could have drafted some defensive linemen for a change.

I think this move makes total sense. Here is why.

1. Rather or not BQ plays well will allow us to know the big picture. Does he show promise or is he, after a year and a half of practices and gametime review, not growing into what we are hoping. This will help us know what needs done in the off season.

2. DA is not getting it done. Blame who you want buit every offensive play comes through the QB. He is the only guy who touches the ball on every play (besides the center.)

3. BE did drop a big time pass last game. But him and KWII kept DA from having 3 ints. instead of 1. KWII defended Andersons pass well from the defender. Got called for pass interference but that is better than the int. BE pulled a pass away from a defender. Turning the int into a TD. How bad would the stats have been if he caught the big pass but did not make the miracle play causing a TD to be negated into an int.

4. Yeah we will pay DA to sit on the bench...but we will no longer be paying BQ to sit on the bench. The payday is the same, at least this way we have hope that BQ will be better than DA.

5. This could turn the year around. If not, we won't be playing an unexperienced QB at the beginning of a new season in 09. BQ will have some experience. If it is true that he will face weeker defences then it makes perfect sense to break him in now.

I think a change was needed, but I thought that week 2 or 3. DA has had inconsistent games since about wk 9 or 10 of last year. I beleive he's gotten worse from last year. The thing that puzzles me is not the change, but why now. I dont beleive it was RAC's decesion, cause he said DA was the starter a day ago. This came from upstairs, but WHY RT NOW? A short week. They could have very easily, waited until after thurs, and gave him like 9 days to prepare. Or did Savage feel like Denver been geting tourched so this would be a great time. I was one of the many wanting the change. DA has had some terrible games. The receivers arent catching the balls that make to them, but DA has stunk it up. I dont know what quinn is capable of, we'll all see thursday night. This move seems like,someone said make the change rt now RAC. I think at some points in games Quinn could have been inserted. I hope he delivers the ball, manages the game, and EDWARDS CATCHES THE BALL. A dose of Harrison, Winslow, Lewis, and SMART PLAY CALLING will help this kid out tremendously.

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Originally posted by Versatile Dawg:
It is about money w/Junior.

Wrong again

VD - why all the hate towards Brady Quinn?

I thought you said you would back whoever the starting QB was in Cleveland because you are a "fan".

Every post I read you are ranting about the Browns FO and the brat pack. I understand the brat pack is Brady fans, but still. Shouldn't your inside connections say anything positive towards BQ?

Dilfer is a washed up bum who thought he could make a come back with the Browns and failed. He didn't have it anymore, and when he was booted for a local rookie, he took it to heart. Why wouldn't he bash the organization on national TV, when the organization was the one who basically ended his career? Granted we dont have the BEST defense in the league, but they have made some big strides from previous years, and have kept us in many games this year.(Pittsburgh, Cincy, Baltimore gm 1, Washington,) If it werent for the defense in those games, the scores would have been much worse, and we would have lost the Bengal game. Dilfer has no idea what he is talking about, just that he hates the Browns on a personal level.

For those asking "Why now?" - I'll take a shot at it: Home game, weak Denver defense. Some have said it would be better with more prep time and a start at Buffalo. But what would you rather have: National TV at home or National TV on the road for your first start? I think the powers that be thought it would be better if BQ started in the friendly confines of CBS. JMO

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Originally posted by FlapJack:

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Originally posted by Versatile Dawg:
It is about money w/Junior.

Wrong again

I agree with Flap on this one. Lerner has never shown unwillingness to spend whatever it takes. He is a billionare die hard Browns fan doing whatever he can to make sure his money helps his favorite team win!

I also believe that RAC made the decision to start brady. If anything it's probably against what Phil wants as it dramatically lower DA's trade value if any. Most teams wil just wait for him to get cut instead of us paying that 8mil roster bonus next season.

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Originally posted by The Beast:
For those asking "Why now?" - I'll take a shot at it: Home game, weak Denver defense. Some have said it would be better with more prep time and a start at Buffalo. But what would you rather have: National TV at home or National TV on the road for your first start? I think the powers that be thought it would be better if BQ started in the friendly confines of CBS. JMO

a very good point and I agree with you.

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Originally posted by eotab:
Of course this makes me breathe a heck of lot easier and it actually makes sense so that it could be the truth!

Crennel explains The Move

Nov 4th, 2008 @ 12:15 pm by Steve Doerschuk

“I felt like we needed a different dynamic on the offense. Our record, offensive ranking, offensive production. So I made the decision to make the change.
“I wanted to talk to the players before I informed anybody else. I talked to Anderson first, then Quinn.
“D.A … He was disappointed but he’s a professional … he’ll handle it. He’ll deal with it.
“Quinn was thankful. I think he’ll make the most of that opportunity.
“I think Quinn will represent himself and will represent the Browns very, very well.
“This is a lifetime opportunity for him.
“It’s my decision. I informed the organization what I was thinking. They told me it was my decision and they would back whatever decision I made. I feel like I have the organization’s backing.”
Chris Mortensen reported Crennel mioght not have been on board with the decision. Crennel laughed it off

This makes me rethink my opinion about RAC on a few things. I hope he's just not saying this in a C.Y.A. mode. Props to you Romeo!

RAC said it all today:

"We needed a different dynamic."

If you're on a road going the wrong way, you stop and change your route.

I saw it last season. Hard to believe objective FOOTBALL fans can't see the same thing: DA is I-N-C-O-N-S-I-S-T-E-N-T. One game he looks like the MVP. The next 2 he looks like a total scrub. That's not going to get you where you need to be. I'd rather have a bad QB who plays bad all the time than a guy who shows up one week and looks awful the next. I want to know what I'm working with behind Center.

I don't know if Quinn is our guy. We'll see. I DO know that I'm not a homer for either one. I want to win bad. But some of the posters seem to have an anti-Quinn axe to grind that seems to stem from some anti-ND bias. They'd rather go down with the ship than change course and try to salvage something.

DA has one of the lowest passer ratings, 68.9 #31 in the league. That's the horse you wanna put your money on?

I know Quinn is mobile, he's got a touch on his shorter passes, and after watching that Ravens game, if you are going to run a dink-and-dunk offense and not throw it deep, I want the guy who has the finesse on his short passes rather than the cannon.

Go Browns.