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Originally posted by NaTaS:
The decision is not about Brady being the 'right guy' its all about DA being the wrong guy.

EXACTLY!!

We have no idea what Quinn will bring to this team this year or next, but we had to be sure that DA was or was not the long term answer for us at QB. this decision wasn't about Quinn, it was about DA.

I don't see DA taking any more snaps for us barring an injury to Quinn. DA had his chance and blew it with pick-6's. He will go the way of Frye and hopefully someone like the Lions will give us a 3rd for him this offseason. But DA is done as a Brown.

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Originally posted by LadyBrown:
That's great if your a forum poster and like to beat on your chest how much of a man you may be, the reality in the NFL is all players have confidence and all players have more when they are playing well and a little less when they aren't. Bench Braylon too then see how that works out I'm sure there are a few guys we can just slot in there.

I would be all for benching Braylon at this point. Let him sit on the sidelines and practice catching the ball for a while with D.A.

The point is, and someone else already got it, that DA should be able to shake off mis-throws, dropped passes, injured starters, and come out and play like a real NFL quality QB. If you want to hold DA's hand and console him every game to try and make him feel better to play the next game, go right ahead. But I believe our coaches got tired of doing the same, and most fans did too. We need a real QB.

Quinn and Anderson BOTH would not be on the Browns next year....no matter what happened this season

With Anderson so inconsistent and one of the lowest QB ratings in the NFL...we logically have to see Quinn in a game situation...or play Anderson every game and let Quinn go..

Playing Quinn will allow Savage to make an informed decision..How is his leadership? Can he sustain momentum? Is he consistent?..How well does he know Chud's scheme? Can he play the QB position at the NFL level??...none of these questions can we answer yet....so let's see.

Anderson or Quinn...we need to find out who we are keeping and get the highest pick for the other...we need all the top picks we can get..

One major point I agree on is that Phil Savage should get ripped on his handling of DA this offseason. Anyone could tell DA was getting it done with smoke and mirrors last season, anyone but Romeo and Phil I guess. If we could have gotten even a 1st round pick for DA last offseason we were fools to not do so. I called for this move all offseason but instead we sign him to a huge contract............now what? I think BQ needed to start, I thought he should have taken over during the Cincy game but DA indeed does not have much trade value as of right now.

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Originally posted by Flodawg:
Quinn and Anderson BOTH would not be on the Browns next year....no matter what happened this season

lol. Way to back the guy up before his first start. Do you have inside information too?

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Originally posted by NaTaS:

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Originally posted by Flodawg:
Quinn and Anderson BOTH would not be on the Browns next year....no matter what happened this season

lol. Way to back the guy up before his first start. Do you have inside information too?

I think what he is trying to say is that we would not have BOTH of them next year - it will be one or the other.

As much as I think the decision unfair to DA because so many problems afflict the defense, offensive play-calling, offensive line play, and receivers, it is also true that BQ just *might* shake things up. He is good, and before DA took off, there was a strong argument for going ahead with him. So, this will be an interesting Thursday: go Browns!

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Originally posted by kyle1745:
Ill post what I did in the other thread:

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All I can say is WOW, and I wish BQ the best.

We need something but honestly I think the something is the following:

- Not to run on every 1st down... and almost every second down.
- Deal with the WRs that can not catch. EDWARDS!

The issues with the offense in my opinion are 60% everyone else and 40% DA. Fix the 60% and DA would look like and all star. Problem is BQ wont fix the 40%, he just does not have the arm DA does.

Ill stick with my comments for years now... THE QB IS NOT THE ISSUE.

Couch - not the fix (in my opinion a good QB)
Holcomb - not the fix
Dilfer - not the fix
Garcia - not the fix (in my opinion a good QB)
Frye - not the fix
Anderson - not the fix (in my opinion a good QB)
Quinn - not the fix

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE THE PATTERN HERE?

I agree, QB's are not the issue. Last Sunday, the Browns are up 14 pts late in the 3rd qtr. Who then made the decision to keep trying to run the ball on 1st and 2nd downs when the scorecard clearly showed that the Browns were not having and would not get the running game going. Why not keep passing (not to braylon, of course) and try to bury the opposition instead of playing "not to lose". The Browns do not have a clock management playbook, therefore, trying the run in the 4th qtr when it didnt work the 1st 3 qtrs is silly to me. I think the coaching is THE problem. Not the players.

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Originally posted by wewinnow:

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Originally posted by kyle1745:
Ill post what I did in the other thread:

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All I can say is WOW, and I wish BQ the best.

We need something but honestly I think the something is the following:

- Not to run on every 1st down... and almost every second down.
- Deal with the WRs that can not catch. EDWARDS!

The issues with the offense in my opinion are 60% everyone else and 40% DA. Fix the 60% and DA would look like and all star. Problem is BQ wont fix the 40%, he just does not have the arm DA does.

Ill stick with my comments for years now... THE QB IS NOT THE ISSUE.

Couch - not the fix (in my opinion a good QB)
Holcomb - not the fix
Dilfer - not the fix
Garcia - not the fix (in my opinion a good QB)
Frye - not the fix
Anderson - not the fix (in my opinion a good QB)
Quinn - not the fix

DOES ANYONE ELSE SEE THE PATTERN HERE?

I agree, QB's are not the issue. Last Sunday, the Browns are up 14 pts late in the 3rd qtr. Who then made the decision to keep trying to run the ball on 1st and 2nd downs when the scorecard clearly showed that the Browns were not having and would not get the running game going. Why not keep passing (not to braylon, of course) and try to bury the opposition instead of playing "not to lose". The Browns do not have a clock management playbook, therefore, trying the run in the 4th qtr when it didnt work the 1st 3 qtrs is silly to me. I think the coaching is THE problem. Not the players.

I agree as well. The play that put the nail in DA's coffin wasn't even and offensive play. It was the choice to rush three and sit back in coverage when the Brown's were up by 14 and Baltimore was on their own 15 yard line looking at a 3rd and 16. They gave up a 20 yard completion on that play and never looked back after that. You would never see the Steelers (ranked #1 in defense) or even the Ravens (Ranked #2 in defense) sit back and let the other team pick them apart. They both would have gone for the juggler and sent an all out blitz. If we stop them in that situation..they're punting from their endzone and, the way Cribbs was returning, we would have had great field possition and be able to finish the birds off.
We have serious coaching problems here. The situation where RAC refused the 10 yard holding penalty on the Raven's first possession, when that would have put them at 3rd and 23 and out of field goal range, he basically told the defense that he has no confidence in them being able to hold one of the worst offenses in the league to a short gain. When they show no imagination on their offensive play calling....no misdirects or play action. When, on Cleveland's second possession, they were moving the ball well until Chud decided that running a play with an empty backfield against the most aggresive D-line in pro football was a good idea. DA had roughly .5 seconds before he had two Raven's on his heals. 9 yard sack..NICE.
It's amazing my TV survives week to week. I would love to see Cowher back in Cleveland. He is still young..has a fire in him and knows how to get the best out of his players.

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Originally posted by DTown:
I thought he should have taken over during the Cincy game but DA indeed does not have much trade value as of right now.

So you would have benched DA right before his trip to the pro bowl? I'm sure the media would have loved that one. Da sitting on the bench with an ear piece listen to the play calls FROM THE BENCH then hopping on a plane to Hawaii a few months later to go to the pro bowl.

I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face......signing DA this offseason was the CORRECT move at the time. Based on what Savage knew during the offseason, he absolutely made the right call.

good post i would keep anderson in if he gets us to playoffs probably first day pick now 4th or later pick

When RAC announced the QB switch, he was asked is it for the rest of the year? His answer, lets see how it goes.

IMHO, between BQ haters and to high of expectations from BQ supporters and the FO not committing at least the rest of this to the switch, this could be really messy!

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Originally posted by

I agree, QB's are not the issue. Last Sunday, the Browns are up 14 pts late in the 3rd qtr. Who then made the decision to keep trying to run the ball on 1st and 2nd downs when the scorecard clearly showed that the Browns were not having and would not get the running game going. Why not keep passing (not to braylon, of course) and try to bury the opposition instead of playing "not to lose". The Browns do not have a clock management playbook, therefore, trying the run in the 4th qtr when it didnt work the 1st 3 qtrs is silly to me. I think the coaching is THE problem. Not the players.

We should of run the ball when we are up.. We just ran straight up the middle with lewis. We should of had a quick guy to do outside runs. The heart of there d is up the middle. If power wasnt working then go with speed.

We always beat a dead horse and stay with what doesnt work. Not sure why!?!?

Same goes for the Defense. After a team runs 200 yards on us you`d think we`d adjust a bit. lol

If derick cant make a 5 yard pass to an outlet rb then what are you backing him up for? He had a good first 8 games last year. last 8 were bad. First 8 this year were bad accept for the giants games, i didnt get to see.

Was DA hitting the rb`s out in the flats during the Giants game? Was he getting the dink and dunks? Just asking really.

As Mike Ditka once said "this one is'nt over yet". Quinn is going to go undefeated as a starter and we are going to go to the playoffs. I'm going to sit back with a cold six pack of Myoplex, a Subway sandwhich, and a John McCain t-shirt and enjoy this game.

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Originally posted by lionchamp29:
If derick cant make a 5 yard pass to an outlet rb then what are you backing him up for? He had a good first 8 games last year. last 8 were bad. First 8 this year were bad accept for the giants games, i didnt get to see.

Was DA hitting the rb`s out in the flats during the Giants game? Was he getting the dink and dunks? Just asking really.

Not really backing up DA...But you need to look at things objectively. There are many more problems with this team than DA. He didn't have 8 bad games this year. He played well against the Giants, the Jags and his QB rating before the BE drop in the fourth quarter was around 135. Against the #2 defense in the NFL and with no running game to speak of. He did lose his cool after that and made some mistakes as he tends to do when he tries to press. ..but the problems were on defense as well. Mostly Defensive philosophy....Playing not to lose instead of playing to win. A problem which has plagued the Browns forever.
As far as the Giants game...sorry that you were unable to watch it. It was refreshing to watch a game that Cleveland absolutely owned for a change. As far as DA goes on that game...He completed passes out of the backfield as well as mid range and a couple of relatively long strikes. It was nice to see the receivers hold on to the ball for a change and having an adequate running game helped take pressure off him. Tucker and Heiden had solid games on the O-Line as well.
I don't believe that DA deserved to lose his job after the Baltimore game. That being said, it is a perfect opportunity to bring in BQ and let him get his feet wet under real game conditions. Denver is ranked 29th in total defense (27th against the pass and 26th against the run) This game should give him the opportunity to get comfortable under center. I truely hope he lives up to all of your expectations.

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Originally posted by Savage is God:

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Originally posted by DTown:
I thought he should have taken over during the Cincy game but DA indeed does not have much trade value as of right now.

So you would have benched DA right before his trip to the pro bowl? I'm sure the media would have loved that one. Da sitting on the bench with an ear piece listen to the play calls FROM THE BENCH then hopping on a plane to Hawaii a few months later to go to the pro bowl.

I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face......signing DA this offseason was the CORRECT move at the time. Based on what Savage knew during the offseason, he absolutely made the right call.

i dont think anyone knew DA was going to the pro bowl during the last game vs cinn. he was an alternate.in case of injury and named to the roster at a later date. correct me if i'm wrong please. in response....he should have been pulled that game. the playoffs were on the line and he was playing like crapola.