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HEALTHY LINE + BLOCKING T.E = BETTER RUN GAME
LESS PRESSURE ON PASSING GAME = MORE CONSISTENT Q.B CONCLUSION:- LEAVE HIETMAN AT T.E AND PUT WINSLOW AS SLOT AND D.A WILL FLOURISH. AND A BIG HI TO ALL YOU POUND PUPPIES FROM ENGLAND!! GO BROWNS!!!!!! |
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DA must become a Consistently "GOOD" QB, pure and simple. If he does so I can think of nothing better than to have him as our Franchise QB. But we have to see it.
With DA its mostly a comfort thing. When he gets in that comfort zone he is very good. Pressure gets him out of it. Of course Pressure ruins all good QB play. But he has to graduate and produce when we Control the pressure enough for him to "Make Plays". We have to start seeing him have Good-Great games when he actually does get hit randomly along the way. So far when he has played great we also read, his uniform was did not have one smudge of dirt. If DA can bring it to the next level. Then he's the QB for us. As for remaining the starting QB. If RAC n FO stuck with him when he totally sucked, Come on, was there any question they would now drop him after he played probably the best game of his career and the best game from a Brown's QB since 1999?  Silly premise.JMHO We've Built the Foundation. Will they come? Looks like we are leaning towards Formula Two: Mangini/Kokinis |
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Anderson should remain the starting QB, for now. 1 GREAT start for any head coach would earn anyone another start. 4 poor starts like DA had, all in a row, would get most guys benched. After the first half in cinci most coaches in the NFL would have started quinn after halftime.
Listen, we all want the Browns to succeed. We all want our TEAM to win. Thus, Derrek "BOX OF CHOCOLATES" Anderson, who we never know what we are going to get from him, needs to find consistency. He has one GREAT (INDREDIBLE) start, and 4 very bad starts. Such an INCREDIBLE start quiets any desire even from a BQ fan like myself. DA earned it, the team shined. DA's poor play in the first four games this year caused us fans to be upset. He did it to himself. I realize that all 3 loses do not fall on only his shoulders, neither does the to wins, though he did play great. Last thing. We may turn the season around. Heading in the right direction. If we get to a late december must win road game, a win and we are in road game, and he lays a big goose egg throwing 4 INTs again, I think a lot of the people who love our team will not be happy. Due to this solid possibility, I sure hope if we keep this great pace up, and say are beating the redskins 42-3, they put BQ in, to keep DA healthy, and give some bench players and second string guys some experience. No one in the media in that situation would speculate QB controversy, but see it for what it is. Which DA will show up this sunday? |
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theboatman Welcome!!! Jest a friendly suggestion: use the ROSTER link so's you cain spell the players' names. I b'lieve yer reference above was to Steve Heiden... BTW: I cain't spell nuthin' much correct... c'ept'n, of course, the players' names... Also... CapsLock off is appurciated... Happy postin'... GO BROWNS!!!!  |
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Just a note...to do so then you have to bench Vickers. Vickers has been a tremendous proponent to our running game with his great blocking and vision as he picks the path for Lewis with excellent consistency. I like Heiden but I also like Vickers. Yes, I think we should change looks now n then and go to the 2 TE offense...which we do. The point is to have First downs and run many plays so that we have the luxury to get into our playbook and multiple formations. If we have poor offensive efforts like the first 3 games...nothing works cause you don't get into the flow of the playbook. That is the key...execution. 3rd down execution - I think if you look at the game we probably were incredible in our 3rd down execution! When you do that you: a. move the chains and have 4 more downs. b. keep your defense off the field and rested. c. keep their defense on the field and getting tired. d. get into your playbook, dictate to the defense rather than have them dictate to us! JMHO We've Built the Foundation. Will they come? Looks like we are leaning towards Formula Two: Mangini/Kokinis |
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I have never been impressed by DA and felt he was the benefactor of alot of circus catches by one of the best receiving corps in the NFL as well as an above average smash mouth back and consistent offensive line. Although he did play better than his last 10 or 11 games his QB rating was still only like a 61 I think. The biggest factor for his success Monday night was the offensive line playing the best game I have seen from an O-line in a long time. He had Tony Romo time back there and don't think he even got knocked down. Alot of average QB's will look above average in that situation. I was impressed by the fact that for the first time in a long time he didn't have happy feet and seemed to get planted. He also did the best job of looking off the corners and not telegraphing his passes. He actually went through progressions and looked beyond the first receiver. 2 big catches by BE were a result of the corner slipping or falling down. The long ball was short and the TD was a gimme. The O-line allowed this to happen. Good game DA great game O-line!
The defense did a much better job at disguising their schemes and blitzes which was very impressive also. End of the day; what a great win!!!! Love you Browns and all our brother fans regardless of their opinions we all want the same result. WIN! |
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Then for us to accomplish this we need a good blocking TE,(Heiden) who can also catch, on the field. I'd like to see Winslow, Edwards and Heiden on the field together. You could flank Winslow out and he could be our JJ. Just a thought. Browns fan since 1960. |
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I do agree with that. However, on previous DA threads, I mentioned I felt we were not using DA appropriately because we were not throwing the ball downfield. I think DA's monday night success was due to the offensive line AND THE GAMEPLAN which finally used DAs arm strength to sling the ball down field, not only dink and dunk plays, which seemed to be the norm by all Browns QBs even in the pre-season. I have been banging my head wondering why the downfield pass was abandonned. Thank goodness it is back. Now, lets hope Randall-EL is not the only receiver in this sunday's game used in gadget plays, like to see Cribbs outdue Randall-El. Now, I am curious as to how DA can hit long passes to Dinkins and BE one night, and miss a wide open Heiden 5 yards away on a fourth and one in Cinci and (as Hair dog said) throw the ball closer to China than to the receiver... Is DA kind of like Carlos Zambrano, it is in his head? i am wondering if it is upstairs with DA...any thoughts? |
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Maybe the knock in the head against the Giants had a greater effect than we know. On the play he missed Heiden on he seemed hyper and scatter brained. His feet looked like he was in a performance of lord of the dance. He had much more poise against the G-men and got firmly planted. He just looked like a different guy.
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Not to nit-pick, but his passer rating for the Giants game was 121.3 which is a huge improvement over what he had been doing. We don't really know what effects his concussion had on his first few games. It could have had some physical effects, but most likely, it was more deep seeded psychological effects. Once you've been planted like that and get a concussion, you don't want that to happen again. There is fear of taking a hard hit, and you tend to rush your throw to get rid of it fast enough that you don't take a direct hit. The protection our offensive line gave him in the Giants game boosted his confidence greatly, and he hung in the pocket to the last second on a few throws. He planted his feet properly and threw with better form and follow through, which gave him a lot more accuracy. He tends to get rattled with pressure, as most QB's do, but hopefully he has founf his confidence and comfort zone now, and the o-line can keep most of the pressure off of him. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "I'm glad we won, but I wish we'd do it with a little less drama. This is killing me." --Chudzinski |
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I'm curious as to why you think we'd have to bench Vickers? Winslow doesn't need to be on the field 100% of the time. I'd start Heiden and bring KW2 in as the slot in three receiver sets and obvious passing downs. Keep Vickers on the field,move Winslow in and out as needed. Might elongate his career.That knee isn't going to last forever. -------------------------------- Heckert/Spagnuola > Mangini/Kokinis |
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2 WRS (Winslow, Edwards), 1 TE (Heiden) 1 FB (Vickers)
2 WRs (Edwards, stallworth) 2 TEs (Winslow, Heiden) 3 WRS (Winslow, Edwards, Stallworth) 1 FB (Vickers) 3 WRs (Winslow, Edwards, Stallworth, 1 TE (Heiden) There are a lot of ways you could go, but the bottom line is Heiden should see the field more ... and Steptoe should probably see fewer snaps. ********************************************************************* ... at least we have the Cavaliers. |
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What you say does make good sense. Certainly I'm a fan of the team, I just don't think it's in our best interests to have an untested first round (by trade)2nd year player sitting on the bench.
The difference between a top team and a celler dweller is just a minuscule bit. (very, very, small) Witness when we played the Giants. A first round player should be contributing to the winning effort and be a real impact player. Not sitting on the bench year after year. Saying we need two prima donna QB's is just wrong. Can you name me just one back-up QB you would consider as a starter. Romo goes down --- long in the tooth old vet Johnson takes over. Tom Brady goes down --- a QB who hasn't played since high school takes over -- and so the list goes on. If a team loses their star QB --- they're not going to win the SB. If a team has two great QB's, they're not going to make the play-offs. |
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DA had a great game, by far his best of the year if not his best of his short carreer considering the D that he faced. If you listend to Braylon's interview with Steve Young Emmitt Smith and Stewart Scott after the game you would have heard that they had a sit down with chud and developed a fool proof offensive plan to help DA out. It consisted of simple reads, and shorter routs with options down field. Basically saying that he can't read the field well (which be honest he hasn't done well with all year). If you noticed whenever we did try to go deep and there was nothing there he would through to the sidelines so that it would give the defenders a more difficult chance to intercept the pass (like when he threw into double coverage to Hieden).
As long as we keep this type of offense going DA should flourish. I like that he had success and with our team getting more players back in the upcoming weeks it should help build his confidence even more. If however he starts struggling again with running the offense like this and with all the pieces in place then the trigger def. needs to be pulled. BE said in his interview that it is a whole new season. We are looking at the season as if we are 2-0 not 2-3. We cannot afford any mistakes and we need to keep rolling with our success. I will stick behind who ever is behind center as long as they are not costing us the game. Looking back at Monday night DA looked like he has the ability to put us in position to contend for the playoffs. He just needs to stay consistant. |
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I decided early on I wasn't going to bash Anderson when he played badly until he had five or six games under his belt. I'm also not going to anoint him after one good game either.
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well at least with one game we might be able to get a #2 for Anderson, otherwise no would give us a 8th round pick even if they had one |
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DA - is the starter and has been. He played a great game Monday night. I believe it was a total team win. I hope DA can hold it together and keep winning. Under he is proven I would try and keep Quinn just for backup reasons.
Here we come Redskins!!! ------------------------------ Playoffs, are you talking playoffs? |
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Hot Dog,
If you use masked profanity one more time you're getting bounced for at least a week. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Referee3, |
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does anyone know if joey J. is going to be activated off the PUP list or not. email me at joshfox43449@yahoo.com.
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bonz...I believe the poster was talking about his Passer Rating for the season. Which is now 64.1 and the 29th rated QB in the NFL. His completion pct. jumped to 52.1 and also is the 29th best in Pct. in the NFL jumping ahead of Russell and Hasselback. Its a start. Lets hope he continues to improve. He cannot have a set back. It would be nice to see him have a big game on the road. For DA its back to sit and wait and he once again has the opportunity to be our starter and try to win the Franchise QB job. Its in his hands. JMHO We've Built the Foundation. Will they come? Looks like we are leaning towards Formula Two: Mangini/Kokinis |
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Sorry about that. |
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