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Man I'm so tired of these threads. If BQ were that good he would be in there.
Let's point out some known facts here. BQ does not hold any NCAA passing records. BQ never won a heisman. BQ never beat OSU, Michigan, USC, or won a Bowl Game. You can check that it's accurate. His arm is not as strong as DA's. In fact the one deep pass he threw this year (in preseason) was five yards short of Steptoe who soared over the defender then bounced the ball off the defenders shoulder to himself and went in for the TD. Yes Andersons percentage is down, and the reasons aren't excuses. Last year through 15 games DA was sacked 5 times. Lowest in the leaguej. This year he's already been sacked that many times and knocked down just as many. Improved tremendously once tucker and hadnot came back healthy. Look at his protection against the #3 defense (NYG). BE before the NYG game had a label of the most dropped passes by any reciever in the league thus far. 30%. Key recievers such as JJ and the new addition of DS have not played until NYG game. Cribbs waw on limited playing time due to an ankle. No offense to steptoe I see big things from him in the future but he is not comparable to one of those guys yet. Protect DA and get the starters back in the line up you'll see a better football team. Remember this game has 11 guys on the field. Not just one. If BQ were that good how's come he's not in the game. It's because the FO, the GM, and the coach all agree. DA does give them what they are looking for. So stop the complaining and rally for the guy who took us to our first winning season and best scoring offense in the last decade. |
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I agree. I am not a DA supporter, but some of this stuff I read is unreal. I do not agree with some of your opinions, but they are usually well thought out, you make good arguments, and it is not some off the wall made up crap. I think that is the reason you get more comments. It is better to debate with someone who has valid points. Not some make believe drivel. |
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An excellent question. Fortunately, I have an answer, hehehe. The difference between how they treated Dilfer (with Frye on the bench) and how they've treated Anderson (with Quinn on the bench) lay in how the FO perceives Anderson. I'll keep this short and to the point to avoid confusion: Dilfer was nothing more than a guy designed to keep the seat warm for Frye. He didn't like it, which is one of the reasons he asked out. So how is that different from Anderson? Anderson was also viewed as a guy to keep the seat warm for Quinn, but something funny happened along the way: He didn't just keep the seat warm, he excelled at the position. Because of his youth, he suddenly became a viable candidate as not only the QB for the moment, but for the future as well. Now, you commented on the FO not worrying about Frye's confidence as a rookie. That's because Frye didn't have anyone behind him pushing him for the job. They did that very deliberately so that Frye wouldn't be looking over his shoulder, so they had no problem throwing him out there to learn on the fly. That situation is very different than Anderson's, simply because the home-town golden boy #1 pick is sittin' on the bench. As a result, any potential move that could even remotely be construed as a sign of weakness will get the media, the fans, and the team buzzin' that it might be a sign the FO is ready to bench Anderson. Lastly, the comment about Frye's confidence when they started "flippin' coins." By the time it got to that, Frye was no longer considered the next QB of this team. Savage was more in love with Anderson at that point, so it no longer mattered whether or not Frye was feeling insecure. By that point, it was a REAL QB competition. We know that to be the truth by how quickly they benched, then subsequently sacked, Charlie Frye. That's my take. Two very different situations. |
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That isn't the way the FO thinks, so don't feel bewildered if Anderson keeps playing allright and becomes our permanent starter. There isn't a team in the entire NFL that would dump a proven QB for an unproven one without serious extenuating circumstances. In that light, there's no way the Browns watch as Anderson continues to develop, then turn around and dump him off for a draft pick or player, then throw an unknown Quinn under center. That doesn't happen in the NFL, and isn't something this organization is considering doing. They don't love Quinn that much, but rather they simply want the best QB to win. Considering what he did last year, Anderson got the first crack at the job. The Browns stuck with him when times were desperate. That isn't the move of a team trying to drive up a guys trade value. That's the sign of a team showing their committment to a player. |
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Lurking my fellow Dawg, lurking  |
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if anderson is developing then his stats shouldnt be great the first half of last year the horrible the second half, let alone horrible this year also.
We are jumping the gun saying he is back and in form. 52 percent completion. 64 qb rating this year. |
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You misunderstood, but then again, the DA haters/BQ lovers often do.
When it was said that DA is a developing qb, it was in reference to the fact that he is still a young and inexperienced qb. He also had some serious flaws in his game from the philosophy his collegiate coaches instilled in him. While he doesn't look all that young, he still is a young guy. He still has a lot of growth in him. The Browns are intrigued by his his skills, work ethic, and potential. They love his big play ability and how he can stretch the field. They love that his big arm can overcome adverse weather conditions as he did last year against Buffalo. They recognize, as some of us do, that DA still has holes in his game. They realize that he is a work in progress and is working on the nuances of the game. The Browns, as some of us do, realize that DA is work in progress........or, in other words, a "developing" player w/a huge upside. |
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im not a da hater and bq lover. Im just goin by stats instead of bein a da lover and bq hater. lol
If i used stats how can it be a matter of man crush? hehe |
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I already tried explaining it to you. Guess you missed that part.
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if dorsey can take us to the superbowl then so be it. I dont care who is at the helm. If a qb is throwin 52 percent completions and his rating is 64 then he is giving room for talk about his backup.
You can say he is still growing but if he has gone downward last year then yes he has to have some critics. He is young and has a decently high celing. Hehe, the celing is there because he has lowered his floor this year....last year....ok. Its up to him to show what he is. A one gamer? 2?6 a year? Maybe the concusion was a bigger issue than what was let on. He is right where he left off as of the last part of last year so its all about facts. Im a browns fan. Love the Browns. Glad we can argue on here and Go Browns!! |
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His stats this year are not all attributable to him.
--His line has given up more pressure. --His star receiver missed most of camp and has led the league in drops. That same receiver runs whatever route he wants and who knows where he will be? --Stallworth has missed four games. --Joe J., who was his most reliable WR has been out all year. --The entire offense did not have the chance to play together in preseason, and there has been a lack of cohesion. I am not saying that DA has played well. He was part of the problem, but stats don't tell the entire story. Now..........DA had a very good game against NY, but then again.......the OL played better......BE played better......Stallworth played, etc. Things are not as blacke and white as most make them out to be. If DA was not a "developing" qb and the Browns didn't believe in him........then they would have benched him. Period. |
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it will all play out. Im all about him keeping the lights on.
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The running game has faltered because of this as well.  Browns fan since 1976 |
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I like your thought it all depends were one goes if da goes to minnesota he could be headed to canton. if quinn gets traded to detroit he could be 30th ranked qb but the offers will be tremendous if they both play up to ability. |
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I have come to the conclusion, that it would be easier, to discuss politics or religion, than it is to discuss the QB in Cleveland
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It is quite possible that we both have two different criteria on what "Good Footwork" is??? Btw the other game was the RAMs game. Good footwork isn't One play here and then one play there. Good footwork is something that is natural in flows within the game. Good footwork for an NFL QB is not dropping back and the stepping up into the pocket...that DA has down pretty much pat. I won't go into too much detail but just probably leave it that we expect different things from footwork. There is a reason that DA is very inaccurate statistically and its not Dropped pass, Wind, bad routes...sorry that is experienced by all the QBs that play. The #1 variable of all QBs in determining Accuracy is FOOTWORK! JMHO We've Built the Foundation. Will they come? Pioli n McDaniels Formula One |
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I agree, and at the end of the season...this thread will probably hold the record for the most posts. Thanks KingDee Browns fan since 1976 |
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Yes, and the BQ haters/DA Lovers never do. *snicker* -------------------------------- |
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Speaking of QB stories. What I find interesting is the Troy Smith situation. Here's a QB who stars at Cleveland Glenville High School under Ted Ginn,Sr. Then he goes to OSU under Jim Tressel. He becomes a Buckeye star and wins the Heisman in his senior year at OSU. Now he's in the NFL and everything is foggy. He's been injured and riding the pines as the third string QB.
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How is Smith's situation foggy. He's not that good. He was drafted in what the sixth round. He's under 6'. He can run but he's not that accurate. That's why they drafted Flaco. He's not the only Heisman qb not to make it in the league. Who was the qb at Oklahoma a couple of years ago who didn't even get drafted, White I think it was. College is different from the pros. Heck being drafted in the sixth round really doesn't mean anything either. Tom Brady, DA, and lots of other surprises step up. Smith just doesn't have it.
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San Diego and Cincinnati come to mind just in the past five years. Both enjoyed more success when they went with the high draft pick to replace QB's who had a pretty successful season the year before. Just saying..... |
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