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You might be onto something here... I don't know why they insist on not running the offense through the players strengths? Why not let the players dictate your offense instead of trying to get the players to do something they cannot? The longest run of the season was who? Cribbs? they insist on making him a WR. Run the wildcat more! Why all these dink and dunk passes with Anderson? if they want that, put in quinn. We should be throwing deep more... the defenses are eating up the offense because they are playing to anderson's weaknesses and we are letting them... let's go! right the ship! ________________________ Retain Mangini! |
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It seems to me that the Browns keep going to the extremes when finding coaches, first it was the crazy Butch Davis, then we got the extremely lazy, laid back Romeo Crennel, now again we have the insane Mangini. The Browns need a coach that is good with people like Romeo, but that also commands respect. Mangini is neither. Let Rob Ryan take over and maybe stay on as head coach. Why would the Browns give the keys to this guy Mangini anyways, what has he proven. They're one lost franchise...jeez.
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The problem with Mangini is his lack of concern for what the people buying the product (the fans) want to see. At this point in the season the fans Are aware that we are going to have to sit through another dismal season of Browns football. However, the team is regressing and becoming worse with every passing week. I do not have any preference for one quarterback or the other, but seeing that we spent a number 1 pick on Quinn and two of his starts where against two of the top teams in the NFL (Minnesota, Denver) he deserves a fair shake. Considering, the QB controversy was so close going into the season. The fact Mangini is treating Quinn like a non entity while DA puts up the WORST numbers in the NFL, with no explanation is an indication that he could care less about the fans. The numbers speak for themselves and Cleveland does not need a coach that could care less about the hard working people that pay money they earn to enjoy some entertainment and support a team and program that has demonstrated a general attitude of ambivalence for years. Firing Mangini may be a bit premature, but he atleast needs to be held accountable for his decisions and the fact he is making our team seem like an even bigger joke then we already were perceived as.
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We need a caoch who can evaluate talent especially at the qb position. If Mangini gets rid of Quinn and DA and then drafts a plethara of qb's then I would say he's done his job.
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Someone explain to me this outdated logic and how it applies to today? Teams turn it around in one year or less in this league now a days. Unless 'rebuilding' is code for terrible, in which case yes we have been 'rebuilding' for the past decade. --------- Welcome to Cleveland! Home of the famous Tiredcat formation and the premier place that QB's come to kill their careers. |
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Teams always make dramatic turnarounds once they find a quarterback.
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Yeah! And This Is The Worst "REBUILDING" Year Of Them All!  |
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Rookie OC is not the issue. 2007 any one. I do agree that the major problem is the OC, just not the fact that it is his first year. It is because he sucks.
"I want to smack Eric Mangini so hard he poops himself. The Browns are the new Lions. It's horrific." -- WWE wrestler The Miz |
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is that kevin james in your sig? At least I'm not the only one who sees that. "I want to smack Eric Mangini so hard he poops himself. The Browns are the new Lions. It's horrific." -- WWE wrestler The Miz |
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Mangini needs to be gone, end of discusion. He is not doing his job. Most of us Fans in the real world would be gone if we didnt perform our jobs, well he isnt performing. The players are not performing as well as they can but they are NOT the boss, head coach, team leader. Mangini is. Players play as well as there Coach instructs. Get rid of Mangini...
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LMAO Yep ...And this is exacly what Rob Ryan had in mind when he took the job here. He has a history of making HC's look bad. But really Mangini doesn't need help in that department. That being said, Ryan may make a decent HC. I just don't like how he is going about it. Personnaly if I was Lerner I'd ditch the Gini at seasons end and let somebody that has an excelent history of good drafting take over at HC with all the picks we have coming in 2010 we can't let Mangini or R Ryan draft pick..NO WAY!!!!! -------------- Dawg Gone (I Miss using the term ManKok) |
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Posted October 27, 2009 10:37 AM Hide Post This is a REBUILDING year...what did you all expect? They're trading away problem players, gaining draft picks, and they didn't sign any overpaid and washed up free agents like Savage did numerous times. This is the right approach. It also looks like they found some decent players in last year's draft. They also missed, but so far I'm seeing more from this class then I have from past draft's that included Wimbley and Edwards. It's going to take time to build. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ AMEN ! AMEN ! Thank you ! I'm not saying Mangini is the next Parcells or Belichek but firing him 7 games in is ludicrous. Yes teams have turned it around in a year and made the playoffs but do those teams remain winners for years to come or are they flashes in the pan ? You have to build a team from the ground up. EVERY NEW HC brings in his guys. Many times those guys are stop gap fillers brought in to teach the verbiage of the new HC's system. Many of the former Jets are not going to remain with the team after this year, imo. You can tell me Mangini didn't give the BELOVED BQ a fair shot so why should Mangini ? Because Mangini is the HC ! BQ is a player ! What has BQ done ? I'm NOT a DA fan either so you can stop before you say I am. I would trade both QBs for a can of endzone paint and a kicking tee. I don't see NFL teams throwing any outrageous deals at the Browns to get BQ ! Mangini has NO NO NO loyalty to BQ. BQ is JUST ANOTHER PLAYER. IMO, Mangini may be trying to save some kind of trade value for BQ. Get what you can before the draft and be done with it. I, as many realistic Browns fans, knew this was a (GOD HELP ME THAT I HAVE TO SAY THIS YET AGAIN) REBUILDING season. Maybe a retooling season. Or a detooling season thus meaning getting rid of the "tools" on the team. Mangini wants team 1st guys that give 100% totally to the system. Yes, BE and K2 have talent but they must not have fit in with the TEAM 1st system. Mangini like it or not got at least something in return for players that acted like they wanted plenty of ME time and less WE talk. I am at EVERY home game and have to suffer watching this season drag on but I am hoping it is the start of a NEW LONG WINNING TRADITION that is fitting of the BEST FRANCHISE in all of sports. GO BROWNS ! ---------------------------------- Forever known as BROWNStown !! |
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This is stupid. We have to at least give the coach 3 yrs. Otherwise, what's the point. I know everyone wants wins NOW, but ultimately aren't we looking for what Pilly, N.E., and the Giants have...continued success every year.
Remember N.Y. hated Coughlin, the platers hated Coughlin. The owner stuk with him, they drafted well, and BOOM...they they are a solid team every year. We have to give Mangini time...even if it doesn't work we have to give it a chance! ------------------------------ Ramathorn and Farva.....it's for a cop |
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We stink and are getting stinkier. Maybe those 11 rookies will make a difference, but I think we are years from turning around, not a year. 10 years later and we are as bad as we were in when we came back. This is lack of judgement at the top. I don't like Mangini, but unless we can land Gruden or cowher, we are better off giving him atleast 3 years.
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No. Absolutely unacceptable. They will not get my money or support if that is what they are thinking, and I would hope many would agree. To put what you are implying in real terms, that means 3 years and $1500 in tickets to "see this through." Uh Uh. No way. Sorry Charlie. Three more years of this and this franchise will be through here. And don't say it can't happen again. No, No way Mangini nor this franchise gets three more years. Forget it. |
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Mangini is not the problem at least not yet. It is way too soon to be blaming him.
Lets look at the real problem which is Derek Anderson. Myself i would prefer trading him to ANY TEAM for ANY STRING QB they want to offer and start that guy in place of Anderson. You want to talk about dropped passes, yeah the browns have dropped a few easy easy balls but for the most part DA is throwing AWFUL passes for these guys to attempt to catch and they are catching all the flack for it. A qb like Anderson is going to ruin the confidence of some rookies we have and maybe kill what could be some great WRS. As far as Brady Quinn goes i think he got a raw deal he threw what maybe 50 pass attempts in his first three games because all we did was give the ball to a washed up Lewis who also should be benched permanently. Then on Andersons first start they decide to run 50 pass plays in one game when lewis is hurt and what do you know we had an offense that game that I'm not going to say was good but I actually enjoyed watching. Harrison has pep is his step and can find holes and explode thru them. Lewis has got nothing his first game back ran 31 times for 117 yards. Is that something to be excited about? HELL NO IT'S NOT Harrison had more rushing yards in less attempts and is good as a receiver out of the backfield. Also lewis did that vs a very very depleted bills D and harrison did it against what we are all seeing is a pretty good bengals D. Back to Quinn give him a chance to throw the ball 50 times in a game and leave lewis out of the game( he cant even get in the endzone from the freaking 1 yd line) and lets see how he does. Its what the fans wanted and we never really got a fair shot to see what he can do. But O Wait we don't want to have to pay him the money if he does do good instead lets just suck and wait till his contract is up. Solution to at least try and make your fans happy GET RID OF ANDERSON AND LEWIS. I don't care if you straight up cut Derek Anderson he has Zero trade value anyhow just let him go. And sorry lewis you were great in your day but guess what for you its tomorrow and your not what you were good luck on dancing with the stars. So if anybody from the browns organization reads this WE DON'T WANT ANDERSON TO BE A QB ON THE TEAM AT ALL. NOT A STARTING QB. NOT A BACKUP QB. WE WANT HIM GONE GONE GONE |
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There is was no easy fix in this situation. This team may have had some talent (Edwards, Winslow) but was not built for long term, consistent winning football.
Every new coach will bring in "his players" to install the system... get used to that. Do you think Mangini prefers Bowens & crew or would have rather brought Jenkins, Revis & the rest of the players he drafted or acquired??? Come on man!!! you can't get the cream in this day & age. Stick to the plan! gain Consistency & Continuity! Everybody's been waiting 30+ years... give it a few more. A DAWG is a DAWG 4 life! SEC 121 ROW 3 |
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I Forgot one thing Where the HELL was Josh Cribbs last week? He is our playmaker and we ran the wildcat ONE time for him. This guy was a pretty good qb in college DA and BQ arent working give him a shot. CRIBBS FOR QB!!!!! CRIBBS FOR QB!!!!! CRIBBS FOR QB!!!! |
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WOW...whata bunch of unrealistic fans we are. Even with Braylon/Winslow we would not be that competitive...Anderson/Quinn both SUCK...face it. Our first pick next year will be a QB. Then we will take all those extra picks and build some depth and talent (IF the draft is well-thought out) We need to get younger/faster/meaner and tougher to compete with the rest of our division...I say play Robiske and MoMass, start Harrison and play all the young guys on defense too.The experience will do them good next season when some reinforcements arrive...
I HOPE the era of getting 30ish role players who can still show FLASHES of talent are over cuz all they do is give us diehard fans unrealistic expectations and cause frustration...Teans like the Patriots/Steelers rebuild constantly, they always have a new piece to fill in the puzzle when someone is hurt or moves on...and depth is built from the draft and hoarding draft picks, not buying free-agents. Of course the draft takes longer too... |
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great post
the coach has replaced players for former jets, who are making less impact then the players he replaced.....go figure....maybe we could get some sissy soccer players from randy's english team.... |
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This is 2009 not 1999. Anybody who thinks the time table for Mangini and this organization as a whole is not impacted by the dreadful last decade has not been paying attention to the mood of the paying customers at these games. BTW...anybody who is up for three more years like this one trying to "build continuity" will be free to purchase my seat in the DP begining next year as well. |
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I want to admit a mistake I made. I went out and purchased direct tv for my new home just so i could watch the Browns this year because I thought Quinn would make us better. Now I'm stuck with watching DA all year and worst yet I hate Direct TV!!! Manginis decisions have affected my wallet and my home telivision system, in my mind Mangini was a mistake.
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yea they love the patriots coach because he leaks so much info.. ROFL, what kind of logic is this exactly? what head coach gives inside info? please, please, explain ------------------------------- Sig removed for Site pimping |
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Get rid of our coach? REALLY? Are you TRYING to set this team back another 3-4 years? Try getting your head out of your %$$ and thinking clearly. We have what, 8 draft picks in the first 5 rounds? Let's MAYBE give Mangini a chance to get some players and talent in here. So far we have seen that he is capable of drafting good players (Alex Mack, MoMass, James Davis,including Revis and others from Jets) with others still have plenty of potential to become talented players. So um, lets give him more then 7 games umkay?
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he stuck himself in the spotlight with the QB situation... all QB analists kept saying you need to have a set QB through camp, get guys rallied around him,etc. not only did he leave that up for grabs, but then flip flopped on his decision, and his decision led to a qb with a rating of like 40, and i assume teammates who are kinda split who they want out there... i think he will be a fine coach, head coach is the least of a teams winning concerns, who he hires to run his team (the coordinators and 10 positions coaches) are far more important... and talent on the team as well.... i would say quinn is in the "never had his shot" category and anderson in the "one hit wonder" category.. if anderson has a good run game, protecting line, and good hands receivers, he can do great.. but to be honest.. jon kitna lit it up for us with the same setup.. jon kitna ....wow... ------------------------------- Sig removed for Site pimping |
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The biggest thing I fear about the Mangini regime is that they have frightened everyone from the Browns. What I mean is that if you have Player Agents already telling Free Agent players to be, to avoid Cleveland that's kind of alarming.If you listen to Jets players talk about how much more the situation is relaxed since Mangini is gone, it has to make you wonder. Another problem I have with Mangini is his stubborness, and spitefullness. I really think Brady is sitting on the bench out of spite. Looking at the draft and who we passed over and who we got has to really make you nervous about how they will handle 11 draft picks coming up in next years draft. We lost out on Rey M., Sanchez,Moreno, Crabtree,and then some. Yes hiring Mangini was a mistake in my opinion. The whole hiring process was a mistake. How can you hire a Head Coach and then basically let your Head Coach hire the G.M.. Lerner should have hired his G.M. first, somebody with a good grasp on football operations and personell, and let him hire a coach by committee. Shanahan told Lerner to give him 2 weeks so he could enjoy vacation with his wife and think things over. What did Lerner do? In the middle of his press conference a reporter informs him that Mangini had just been fired. Lerner immediatley got in contact with Mangini and started the hiring process for him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only coaches he talked to was Romeo, so he could plead his case why he should'nt be fired,Bill Cohwer, who flat out told him no, and Mike Shanahan who told him give him two weeks from football before he began discussing things about his coaching future, and then Mangini whom he hired. I personally think that letting Savage and Crennel go was a mistake. After a good year they have a setback, and then they were fired. We had a core that could have been built upon. I think Lerner should have put them on notice for this year, and that is to fix it or you are gone. I can't remember feeling this Badly about the Browns, not even during the Bud Carson era. Lerner made a mistake and he needs to fix it. Just listen to a podcast called "Frustrated Browns fan" on Tony Rizzo's The Really Big Show website. They need to play that for Lerner. Here is the link http://www.stationcaster.com/p...p?s=70&c=476&f=36385
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- Romeo won 6 games in his 1st season
- Romeo had less talent on his roster...our NT was Jason Fisk, lol - the team played hard for Romeo and overachieved that year let's compare: - Mangini won't even sniff at 6 wins, 3 max...my O/U would be 2 if I was a bookie - Mangini inherited a ProBowl LT, NT, TE, STeamer and WR (debatable since nobody likes BE but he has talent)...he opted to trade away 2 of those and replace them with bums...he also has some average to above average starters (DQ, Steinbach, Wright) he had MUCH better talent - the team has given up and quit on him long before half his FIRST season is over Conclusion: we all agree that Romeo was a bad coach...so what exactly qualifies Mangini to keep his job after this season? --------------------------------- We have 3 big problems: Lerner, Mangini&his buddies/muppets and the players...in that order. Lerner hired Mangini, Mangini hired his buddies and they coach/play the players |
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I have seats in the DP too! Painful driving an hour and a half each way to watch... The Browns are still paying for poor drafts & turnover since '99. read FALSE START by Pluto. Continuity will get us out of expansion mode. Browns have had at least 4 systems installed since '99. That's lots of restarting or rebuilding. I don't care who the coach or gm or owner is. I just want them to have time to build what they want & go thru the ups & downs with 'em. Is Marvin Lewis a good coach? The Browns in Cincy run a good ship? NA... but they stick with it and are getting better results. A DAWG is a DAWG 4 life! SEC 121 ROW 3 |
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Yes it is.... SHHHH! |
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Romeo was not a bad coach- he had a GM that handcuffed him! Mangini is a GOOD coach and we win at least 6 games this year! Forget hope! Show me some HEART! |
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I want what your having  |
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we have made more mistakes than you can shake a stick at for the last freeking 10 years.
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In recessionary times employees should be evaluated equally, if you are not performing you should not keep your job. MANKOK has been an almighty mistake and if Mr.Lerner wants to run the browns as a successful business he has to bring some leadership to the organisation and pull out all the stops to bring in a big name at GM/Coach to get the fans excited. in such a case, we will give that person 3 years to make things happen, but for a man as dour as mangini who no one was excited about when he came here, to think we are going to watch that and expect to be content with that shambles for 3 years is lunacy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!period![/QUOTE]
Good slant (no pun intended) on the subject. I've seen several times in multi billion dollar corporations where a higer level manager was hire and then fired several months later. Sometimes you need to take one step back to move two steps forward. But rarely will you see a situation where Upper Mgt will let you take five steps back, and take two steps forward. That's what it appears that the Browns have done. This is a major failure from a company standpoint and would be dealt with swiftly. But then again, those decisions are being made by people who's jobs depend on it. Lerner certainly isn't worried about his job, but what he fails to see is that we, the fans, the ones who urged the NFL to bring back the Browns, are the bosses. We're the customer, and any contractor knows that the customer is the boss. Without us, he has no business. Too bad there's no way to fire him! |
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If he fires Mangini he's just going to rush out and hire Zorn or Jauron. |
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Romeo was a terrible sideline coach;time management and tactics within the game were beyond him. The problems with Mangini are that he does not inspire the players to focus on football,he picked up Jets players who have missed incredible numbers of tackles,he failed to address both the RB and D backfield holes,and had not addressed the hole at ILB when all of these were obvious prior to the draft.
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LMAO...yea probably. The really sad thing is that realistic fans are ceasing to care about this team anymore. I know I am. Most NFL teams turn things around in a year or two timeframe. This franchise never will, because of the following: This organization fires a coach in year 3 of a "5 year plan" (GOD I'm SICK of hearing that from this franchise) Then we bring in a new coach who guts what little of a team the previous FO built for his guys. Based on our history so far, who here can honestly say Mangini will still be coach in 2013? I would bet money he will be canned two years from now. What Mangini builds here, if anything, will be gutted by the next "savior coach". Dont worry we will be told, we'll be competitive by 2018. This franchise seems to be destined to just plain suck for a long time, short of a change of owership. |
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Lol, no way Rob Ryan for HC. There are 5 former SB Champion FA coaches out there I'd would rather consider. ------------------------------ Cleveland & Ohio State sports..well it's just in my blood. |
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I don't care who they hire just as long as they get rid of Mangini!!!!!!!!!!!!
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by methotrex1:
Time for Browns to admit mistake with Mangini Might not be fair, but Mangini's time is up Amen brother! I am sick and tired of the losing permeating from this franchise. The stench coming from the front office/coaching staff needs to be purged now. The Browns have lost an entire generation of fans. Not since the late 1980's have we been consistently competitive. My son only knows the Browns as losers - which just kills me. Come on Randy, hire us a GM and coach that know what they are doing- there will be PLENTY of decent coaches to choose from at the end of this season. Choose a PROVEN WINNER and lets move forward - we can't afford any more mistakes! |
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Some of you guys have got to be kidding right. Mangini took over and there was nothing. You have to give the guy his time. If his blueprint doesn't start to show some success after the second year, then we can talk about new head coaches. Over the last couple of years a couple of franchises have been turned around on a dime. The falcons, dolphins to name a couple. That rarely ever happens that fast. Gotta have a little patience, endure this tough season. Guaranteed next season after the draft you guys will want to kiss Mangini's feet. The problem is with our franchise, unlike a lot of the others, yeah we had some talent, but our books were so screwed up. With huge bonuses, ridiculous contracts, and contract year players/number one draft picks who've under performed. Gotta change the additude and get the money back first. Cleaned house, now we're going to start building. Why don't you think we brought in any huge big name free agents, and traded back four times in the draft. Endure, and at least give two years. Unless of course you want this to happen every season. Having a young team that hasn't reached its potential, I'll take that anyday then an underachieving group on bums that don't care.
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