Browns owner Randy Lerner says Mangini's job safe for now, but team will add 'serious, credible' leader
For what it's worth ...

As it should be.

Can't blame this roster full of slugs on Mangini.

Can't blame 5 turnovers on Mangini.


Only a moron fires coaches 7 games into starting over. Randy Lerner, needs to shut up.

Not sure if they will stay up. I was reading the article of Lerner after todays game and before I finished reading it, it was gone.

Never mind, they just moved it.

I think he should keep his job. They need someone else calling the plays...IMO

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Originally posted by BpG:
As it should be.

Can't blame this roster full of slugs on Mangini.

Can't blame 5 turnovers on Mangini.


Only a moron fires coaches 7 games into starting over. Randy Lerner, needs to shut up.

clearly you dont know your facts, again.

Mangini has brought in 28 new guys on this team not including his draft picks.

these slugs, as you call them, are Mangini slugs.

get the facts before yapping your trap.

after 11 picks next year, Mangini will only have Cribbs and Thomas from the previous regime.

Mangini has brought in NO TALENT yet. Dont plan on it either.

It should be. Firing a coach in the middle of the season is not a good idea.

Thank you Mr. Lerner. It's good to hear your concern for this team...."our team".

I know he likes to stay in the background but I think Randy is starting to finally "get it". This in itself gives me hope for the future. I think this shows that he is committed.

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Originally posted by BpG:
As it should be.

Can't blame this roster full of slugs on Mangini.

Can't blame 5 turnovers on Mangini.


Only a moron fires coaches 7 games into starting over. Randy Lerner, needs to shut up.

This organization had a off season to figure
out who's playing, trades and free agents
and the draft.
So far all I see is garbage.
Just keep filling up that stadium and now will ever change.
I'm glad I have a DVR to watch this crap

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Originally posted by Dawgcitizen:
It should be. Firing a coach in the middle of the season is not a good idea.

With the way the national media and NFL insiders blast Mangini it would be the most positive press this organization has had since 2007!

There's nothing on the line if they fire the guy! We have very little in place as of now so there aint much at stake!

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Originally posted by Brady10z:

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Originally posted by BpG:
As it should be. Can't blame this roster full of slugs on Mangini. Can't blame 5 turnovers on Mangini. Only a moron fires coaches 7 games into starting over. Randy Lerner needs to shut up.

Clearly you dont know your facts, again. Mangini has brought in 28 new guys on this team not including his draft picks. These slugs, as you call them, are Mangini slugs. Get the facts before yapping your trap. After 11 picks next year, Mangini will only have Cribbs and Thomas from the previous regime. Mangini has brought in NO TALENT yet. Don't plan on it either.

QFT. Stockpiling draft picks and not wanting or knowing how to draft talent isn't going to get us anywhere. Of course, Mangini and his ego would never allow for him to step away from the draft and let someone who actually knows how to evaluate talent run it. After next year's draft and another abysmal start to the season, he will need to go. Period. We just wasted 2 more seasons and are AGAIN back at square 1. Wonderful. LMAO

BpG is very confused. He thinks this is college football where a coach needs 4 years to recruit and make his team.

Welcome to the NFL kid. You can change a whole team within 1 offseason. Mangini has done that. He brought in nobody. No talent. No playmakers.

Letting him take 2010s 11 picks sets this franchise back 10 more years.

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Originally posted by Brady10z:
BpG is very confused. He thinks this is college football where a coach needs 4 years to recruit and make his team.

Welcome to the NFL kid. You can change a whole team within 1 offseason. Mangini has done that. He brought in nobody. No talent. No playmakers.

Letting him take 2010s 11 picks sets this franchise back 10 more years.

I don't really have a problem with what BpG said except for "Randy Lerner needs to shut up". I don't get why you would say that. The man is finally starting to show that he gives a darn about what's going on......and you tell him to shut up ? Maybe BpG could tell me where he is coming from.


Brady10z....I agree with your comment about being able to change an NFL team very quickly. There is no reason that this team should be this bad ! I never expected us to make the playoffs but I never expected us to have only 1 stinkin' win this season.

In 1984 the Browns were 1-7 when Sam Rutigliano was fired and Defensive Coordinator Marty Schottenheimer replaced him.
Marty's team won 4 and lost 4 the second half of the season and three of the losses were by 3 points each.
Changing coaches in mid year made sense that year.

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Originally posted by BpG:
As it should be.

Can't blame this roster full of slugs on Mangini.

Can't blame 5 turnovers on Mangini.


Only a moron fires coaches 7 games into starting over. Randy Lerner, needs to shut up.

Didnt mangini bring RT St. Clair, one of the biggest gaping holes on this team here?

I think you are the one and only Browns fan on the planet that is unhappy that Lerner is finally taking an interest in fixing this trainwreck.

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Originally posted by Brady10z:
BpG is very confused. He thinks this is college football where a coach needs 4 years to recruit and make his team.

R U SERIOUS!!!!!?????

BpG is one of the few posters on this board that makes sense!

I like the passion that Lerner showed. Just don't get too caught up in the media.

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Originally posted by gonewiththedawgs:

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Originally posted by Brady10z:
BpG is very confused. He thinks this is college football where a coach needs 4 years to recruit and make his team.

BpG is one of the few posters on this board that makes sense!

No he's not.

The other poster, while exaggerating a bit, does have a point. There is so much parody in the NFL that it shouldn't take a stupid four year plan to build a team. Everyone is quick to point out the lack of talent on this team, but who traded away our two best offensive playmakers? And don't give me the "attitude problems and ego" crap. This is the new generation of the NFL, a coach's job is to manage those egos and to make sure they produce, not get rid of them.

Oh, and if you are going to get rid of them, make sure you get something substantial in return... not a bunch of leftovers from your former team.

Eric Mangini is a borderline tard for a coach, and if posters like yourself and BPG want to keep advocating for him, knock yourself out. BPG is also the same guy who continuously advocated for Phil Savage, lul.

I'll just keep laughing at you posters that act like you have all of the answers. It definitely provides some quality laughter.

I pretty much quit watching the NFL after the Brown's went to Baltimore, but I did hear Cleveland was supposed to get another pro team.
When is that to happen? Is pro football still supposed to come back to Cleveland, and when?

Sounds like Mangini is losing power. Just like Butch Davis did.

If he would have kept those 2 stud playmakers on offense we might have 2 wins instead of 1. I can understand sticking up for Winslow but, Edwards quit on this team before the season started pretty much. Those dropped passes must excite everyone.

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Originally posted by BpG:
As it should be.

Can't blame this roster full of slugs on Mangini.

Can't blame 5 turnovers on Mangini.


Only a moron fires coaches 7 games into starting over. Randy Lerner, needs to shut up.

If this is true then the you can't blame him for a win either. What exactly is it you think a coach does? Only a moron thinks a coach is not responsible for his roster or COACHING his players on the basics of football such as protecting the ball.

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Originally posted by Buckeye_47_Fab:

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Originally posted by Brady10z:
BpG is very confused. He thinks this is college football where a coach needs 4 years to recruit and make his team.

Welcome to the NFL kid. You can change a whole team within 1 offseason. Mangini has done that. He brought in nobody. No talent. No playmakers.

Letting him take 2010s 11 picks sets this franchise back 10 more years.

I don't really have a problem with what BpG said except for "Randy Lerner needs to shut up". I don't get why you would say that. The man is finally starting to show that he gives a darn about what's going on......and you tell him to shut up ? Maybe BpG could tell me where he is coming from.


Brady10z....I agree with your comment about being able to change an NFL team very quickly. There is no reason that this team should be this bad ! I never expected us to make the playoffs but I never expected us to have only 1 stinkin' win this season.

We play the Lions so actually we will have two wins this season. LOL

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Originally posted by gonewiththedawgs:

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Originally posted by Brady10z:
BpG is very confused. He thinks this is college football where a coach needs 4 years to recruit and make his team.

R U SERIOUS!!!!!?????

BpG is one of the few posters on this board that makes sense!

I like the passion that Lerner showed. Just don't get too caught up in the media.

BpG your other personality?

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Originally posted by jrsparksmba:

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Originally posted by gonewiththedawgs:

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Originally posted by Brady10z:
BpG is very confused. He thinks this is college football where a coach needs 4 years to recruit and make his team.

R U SERIOUS!!!!!?????

BpG is one of the few posters on this board that makes sense!

I like the passion that Lerner showed. Just don't get too caught up in the media.

BpG your other personality?

BpG your other personality?



Get out of here with that.

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Originally posted by TAP:
If he would have kept those 2 stud playmakers on offense we might have 2 wins instead of 1. I can understand sticking up for Winslow but, Edwards quit on this team before the season started pretty much. Those dropped passes must excite everyone.

I do agree that Edwards' drops were starting to wear my patience thin. However, who's to say he wouldn't have become a stud had the Browns kept Winslow to compliment him? Mangini screwed this team up the second he decided on trading Winslow.

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Originally posted by Dawgcitizen:
It should be. Firing a coach in the middle of the season is not a good idea.

yes it is,when a coach sucks this bad you show him the door asap.the bleeding has to stop........iv'e never seen a coach ruin a organization this fast.lerner made a huge mistake and he knows it....see ya mangini.

Well first of all I reported, the guy who basically called me a moron.


Bradyz,

Seriously, when you can make a coherent though I might debate with you. For now, you can run your smear campaign about how smsrt you are and how everyone else doesn't know what they are talking about.

The FACTS are that the ONLY Players that you can honestly say are better than what Mangini brought with him are Joe Thomas and Dquell Jackson.


From todays game, Coleman, Ebram and Barton were our best players. That's just from today....the FACTS, are that every single player Mangini brought from his Jets are a CLEAR upgrade over what we had.


So when you can make a coherent though and get the facts, not just a whiny, crying rant, you can come and debate with me.

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by TAP:
If he would have kept those 2 stud playmakers on offense we might have 2 wins instead of 1. I can understand sticking up for Winslow but, Edwards quit on this team before the season started pretty much. Those dropped passes must excite everyone.

I do agree that Edwards' drops were starting to wear my patience thin. However, who's to say he wouldn't have become a stud had the Browns kept Winslow to compliment him? Mangini screwed this team up the second he decided on trading Winslow.

Yeah who knows but, he was dropping a lot of passes last year even when Winslow was healthy. The Giants traded a very talented TE in Shockey and it didn't hurt them any. Not really trying to argue the Winslow trade but, you don't need an elite Te to win. Gates hasn't won anything, Gonzales hasn't, Shockey hasn't. I honestly can't think of any real elite TE's that have won anything lately other than Shannon Sharpe.

I think I would crap my pants if Lerner fired Mangini. The guy is already paying Romeo and Savage, then add ManKok onto the bill along with hiring another coach etc. That's a lot of money to just throw around. Would I be upset if he did it, NOPE !

Money isn't everything.

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Originally posted by TAP:

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by TAP:
If he would have kept those 2 stud playmakers on offense we might have 2 wins instead of 1. I can understand sticking up for Winslow but, Edwards quit on this team before the season started pretty much. Those dropped passes must excite everyone.

I do agree that Edwards' drops were starting to wear my patience thin. However, who's to say he wouldn't have become a stud had the Browns kept Winslow to compliment him? Mangini screwed this team up the second he decided on trading Winslow.

Yeah who knows but, he was dropping a lot of passes last year even when Winslow was healthy. The Giants traded a very talented TE in Shockey and it didn't hurt them any. Not really trying to argue the Winslow trade but, you don't need an elite Te to win. Gates hasn't won anything, Gonzales hasn't, Shockey hasn't. I honestly can't think of any real elite TE's that have won anything lately other than Shannon Sharpe.

I was more or less using Winslow as an example that you just don't trade away already established talents, especially if you get nothing in return. Seriously, who the hell did we even pick with the 2 and the 5 we got from Tampa? They either haven't seen the field or they haven't produced to an extent where I can remember their names.

It's pathetic.

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by TAP:
If he would have kept those 2 stud playmakers on offense we might have 2 wins instead of 1. I can understand sticking up for Winslow but, Edwards quit on this team before the season started pretty much. Those dropped passes must excite everyone.

I do agree that Edwards' drops were starting to wear my patience thin. However, who's to say he wouldn't have become a stud had the Browns kept Winslow to compliment him? Mangini screwed this team up the second he decided on trading Winslow.

Oryl?

The Highest paid TE in the game, with a bum wheel and a big mouth? Don't get me wrong, Kellen Winslow is a dynamic player, but you do not build your team around an overpaid tight end.

Braylon Edwards drops had nothing to do with KW2. The reason he was traded had nothing to do with KW2 and had everything to do with him being a huge wuss, dropping passes, not blocking, dogging it in practice and in games, not going over the middle of the feild...EVER and when he did get got gator arms....

Those are the reasons, both of those players are now someone elses problem.

Let the Jets overpay for a male model.

Let the Jets overpay for a male model.[/QUOTE]


LOL, maybe Braylon can get the Jets some free "5 hour energy".

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by TAP:

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by TAP:
If he would have kept those 2 stud playmakers on offense we might have 2 wins instead of 1. I can understand sticking up for Winslow but, Edwards quit on this team before the season started pretty much. Those dropped passes must excite everyone.

I do agree that Edwards' drops were starting to wear my patience thin. However, who's to say he wouldn't have become a stud had the Browns kept Winslow to compliment him? Mangini screwed this team up the second he decided on trading Winslow.

Yeah who knows but, he was dropping a lot of passes last year even when Winslow was healthy. The Giants traded a very talented TE in Shockey and it didn't hurt them any. Not really trying to argue the Winslow trade but, you don't need an elite Te to win. Gates hasn't won anything, Gonzales hasn't, Shockey hasn't. I honestly can't think of any real elite TE's that have won anything lately other than Shannon Sharpe.

I was more or less using Winslow as an example that you just don't trade away already established talents, especially if you get nothing in return. Seriously, who the hell did we even pick with the 2 and the 5 we got from Tampa? They either haven't seen the field or they haven't produced to an extent where I can remember their names.

It's pathetic.

We got Massaquoi with the 2nd rounder from Tampa and the 5th rounder is in the 2010 draft.

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Originally posted by BpG:

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by TAP:
If he would have kept those 2 stud playmakers on offense we might have 2 wins instead of 1. I can understand sticking up for Winslow but, Edwards quit on this team before the season started pretty much. Those dropped passes must excite everyone.

I do agree that Edwards' drops were starting to wear my patience thin. However, who's to say he wouldn't have become a stud had the Browns kept Winslow to compliment him? Mangini screwed this team up the second he decided on trading Winslow.

Oryl?

The Highest paid TE in the game, with a bum wheel and a big mouth? Don't get me wrong, Kellen Winslow is a dynamic player, but you do not build your team around an overpaid tight end.

Braylon Edwards drops had nothing to do with KW2. The reason he was traded had nothing to do with KW2 and had everything to do with him being a huge wuss, dropping passes, not blocking, dogging it in practice and in games, not going over the middle of the feild...EVER and when he did get got gator arms....

Those are the reasons, both of those players are now someone elses problem.

Let the Jets overpay for a male model.

I'd take Winslow's baggage and one knee over any offensive playmakers we have right now. Regardless if Winslow is worth the money he's being paid, you don't trade him, it was a stupid move. So far, it has done nothing to improve this team, hell, you can even argue we've regressed for it.

Nice way to miss the context of my post, can't say I'm surprised. In no way did I use K2 in regards to Braylon's drops, I said K2 was a nice complimentary piece, and had we kept K2 and coached up Edwards, who's to say they both wouldn't be having better seasons? Again, nothing is guaranteed in that regard, but I reiterate, I would take those two over anything we have right now.

Yep, let the Jets overpay for him, while we keep picking up their scraps.

Mangini is building a TEAM, not a bunch of play makers hoping to siply win a few games so he doesn't get fired.


11 2010 draft picks.

In 2008 we had what? 4? 5?


You build through the draft. Mangini gets it, I just hope he can see it through. Most who know football agree Ernie Accorsi knows football. Kokonis was on Accorsi'd short list of up'n coming GM's.

Let the man get his players beforethe fans show him the door.


Wait, this is Cleveland......get the pitchforks.

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by BpG:

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by TAP:
If he would have kept those 2 stud playmakers on offense we might have 2 wins instead of 1. I can understand sticking up for Winslow but, Edwards quit on this team before the season started pretty much. Those dropped passes must excite everyone.

I do agree that Edwards' drops were starting to wear my patience thin. However, who's to say he wouldn't have become a stud had the Browns kept Winslow to compliment him? Mangini screwed this team up the second he decided on trading Winslow.

Oryl?

The Highest paid TE in the game, with a bum wheel and a big mouth? Don't get me wrong, Kellen Winslow is a dynamic player, but you do not build your team around an overpaid tight end.

Braylon Edwards drops had nothing to do with KW2. The reason he was traded had nothing to do with KW2 and had everything to do with him being a huge wuss, dropping passes, not blocking, dogging it in practice and in games, not going over the middle of the feild...EVER and when he did get got gator arms....

Those are the reasons, both of those players are now someone elses problem.

Let the Jets overpay for a male model.

I'd take Winslow's baggage and one knee over any offensive playmakers we have right now. Regardless if Winslow is worth the money he's being paid, you don't trade him, it was a stupid move. So far, it has done nothing to improve this team, hell, you can even argue we've regressed for it.

Nice way to miss the context of my post, can't say I'm surprised. In no way did I use K2 in regards to Braylon's drops, I said K2 was a nice complimentary piece, and had we kept K2 and coached up Edwards, who's to say they both wouldn't be having better seasons? Again, nothing is guaranteed in that regard, but I reiterate, I would take those two over anything we have right now.

Yep, let the Jets overpay for him, while we keep picking up their scraps.

So your saying you would rather get nothing for Braylon when he leaves and win, MAYBE 2 more games this year over the draft picks and seemingly our STARTING OLB?

Man please.

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Originally posted by BpG:

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by BpG:

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:

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Originally posted by TAP:
If he would have kept those 2 stud playmakers on offense we might have 2 wins instead of 1. I can understand sticking up for Winslow but, Edwards quit on this team before the season started pretty much. Those dropped passes must excite everyone.

I do agree that Edwards' drops were starting to wear my patience thin. However, who's to say he wouldn't have become a stud had the Browns kept Winslow to compliment him? Mangini screwed this team up the second he decided on trading Winslow.

Oryl?

The Highest paid TE in the game, with a bum wheel and a big mouth? Don't get me wrong, Kellen Winslow is a dynamic player, but you do not build your team around an overpaid tight end.

Braylon Edwards drops had nothing to do with KW2. The reason he was traded had nothing to do with KW2 and had everything to do with him being a huge wuss, dropping passes, not blocking, dogging it in practice and in games, not going over the middle of the feild...EVER and when he did get got gator arms....

Those are the reasons, both of those players are now someone elses problem.

Let the Jets overpay for a male model.

I'd take Winslow's baggage and one knee over any offensive playmakers we have right now. Regardless if Winslow is worth the money he's being paid, you don't trade him, it was a stupid move. So far, it has done nothing to improve this team, hell, you can even argue we've regressed for it.

Nice way to miss the context of my post, can't say I'm surprised. In no way did I use K2 in regards to Braylon's drops, I said K2 was a nice complimentary piece, and had we kept K2 and coached up Edwards, who's to say they both wouldn't be having better seasons? Again, nothing is guaranteed in that regard, but I reiterate, I would take those two over anything we have right now.

Yep, let the Jets overpay for him, while we keep picking up their scraps.

So your saying you would rather get nothing for Braylon when he leaves and win, MAYBE 2 more games this year over the draft picks and seemingly our STARTING OLB?

Man please.

Again, had we kept Winslow AND Edwards, AND had success, how do you know he leaves? I'm not guaranteeing they have success or that we're a significantly better team, but I'd confidently put my money on the Browns producing a much more competitive team and who knows what comes from that? Maybe wins, a concept completely foreign to Eric Mangini. The point of my posts in here are, you just don't trade away your star talents... especially when you're the furthest thing from an established coach.

We had one of the best offenses in 2007 and showed nice flashes in 2008 before every QB got hurt. Who's to say that the offense doesn't regain form if we keep our two best playmakers? But hey, if you want to keep buying into these guys like Mangini and Kokinis, go right ahead. You can think I'm stupid, illogical, or that I don't know what I'm talking about, but that doesn't bother me.

I'm more than willing to bet that Mangini will ultimately end up failing here and setting this team back even further than Romeo or Phil ever could.

I have to agree that we are better off without Winslow and Edwards in the long run. Winslow was a punk and Edwards was a ***** (pardon my language). Winslow was sketchy with his health and Braylon was too worried about getting hurt. These were good moves by Mangini.

You left out the fact that this was BE's last year of his contract. He did not want to be here, and we needed to get what we could for him.

They players from the Jets are showing little. Mangini wont play anyone else. He is nuts. Must be ego. Start the 36th rated QB? Don't play Hall? He says he goes with those who give us the best chance to win. Horse puckey. He goes with the players he likes.

Who is responsible for the roster? Who is responsible for the coaching? Who is responsible for the other coaches? The butler?

Mangini starts "The Spark", after the bye, and it could very well be n..f..l.

I don't know what world your living in Chris, but it certainly isn't one where Braylon Edwards was re-signing as a Cleveland Brown.


and hey, I wasn't for firing Romeo or Savage to begin with.



It was all of these trolls....


You see the trend, now choose a side.


At least Mangini has a plan....the fans don't.

Also, have any of you ever heard of the franchise tag? If he didn't want to resign, you could slap that on him for a year.

Eric Mangini has a horrible plan if we're 1 - 7 in his first year.

Was I expecting Playoffs? Absolutely NOT.

But was I expecting a team better than Romeo coached? Yes, right away, and I think I had every right to have those expectations.

I disliked Mangini from the start. You can even say I'm biased in that regard, but at least my opinions hold merit, even if you do disagree.