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I can't do anything but laugh when people complain about rookies not being studs and fining Braylon Edwards for his nonsense.
Here is a reminder of what we are missing fellas in case your forgot.
 Two Years, Two Pro Bowls. |
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That's what I think of your solutions. -------------- Dawg Gone |
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I'll drink to that... Howsumever, if'n I is gonna WAGER ruther than PURDICT... I'll allow as how a study of the past is definitely worth mah while.  So... mah WAGER is the Browns won't get much value out'n they's eleven picks. An' I'll wager at least one of the picks is fer sum Special Team Windy Day Kickoff Ball Tip Holder out'n Nebraska... JMIgnertO |
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No team drafts all studs, so yes certainly some out of the 11 won't be good. As long as the first one is a bona fide star and the rest are good enough to maybe someday be a pro bowler then we'll be alright.
Can't be worse than overpaying for free agents or trading away draft picks. Two Years, Two Pro Bowls. |
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Please bring in Marty as head of football operations!Let him hire a gm then him and the gm can agree on a coach!I would take marty ball over what i have had to watch for the last 10 years!! Go Browns
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i dont think there is any need to address the your entire reply as we clearly diasgree on many things. I'm more disappointed than mad, i just feel Mangini should be evaluated just as he is evaluating his players. and the Broncos players you mention, dawkins, moreno & buckhalter were not inherited by Mcdaniels, Moreno was drafted and the other 2 were free agent aqcuisitions. i did also mention players that had previously produced, Dumerville was not more productive than wimbley up to now, the coaches must take credit for his progress this year. as for williams, maybe i'm bias but i wouldnt think there is much between him and DQ. |
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And maybe he isn't any better than DQ, but again, DQ is hurt and we have no where NEAR the offensive firepower that Denver does even with Braylon.
The point is that McDaniel's traded a franchise QB for draft picks....filled out his TEAM and made his TEAM into a winner. He got rid of the individuals with big mouths.... Do you see the trend? I realize you are disappointed, we all are, but you can't let your emotions get in the way of analyzing the moves Mangini has made for what they are. An attempt to finally build a TEAM an organization that builds VIA THE DRAFT. It can't be overstated how important it is. I mean you can add a Dawkins here and bring in a Buckhalter there, but ultimately you build teams via the draft. Two Years, Two Pro Bowls. |
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How can someone type so much and say nothing? LOL |
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What you can Blame starts with Lerner. You can blame the knee jerk hire of Mangini and another kid GM who has never held the job, After he promised to hire a "top GM to conduct a thorough search for the next head coach. You CAN Blame castoff TEs and the Dumping Of Winslow on this new "braintrust"". The dumping of scheaffer and getting a castoff RT. The gaggle of mediocrities from the Jets who "knew the Mangini way" and a center for the jets to get the #5 pick franchise QB. mediocre drafting. A call for patience from a coach who yanked Quinn after 2.5 games and has stuck with the ridiculously horrid DA. Another call for patience from Lerner and the Head coach who then dump Braylon Edwards for more Jets refuse and a #3 pick. We always hear how lerner must consider the millions out the window for other knee jerk decisions( paying 20 mill to crennell and savage?) so that is the reason we yards sale what talent we do have and wonder why we can't move the ball. Think maybe you might have considered that in April? Now we are stuck with mangini. How are them jets castoff working out? This team is dysfunctional from the top down. And breaking in brand new GMs the last 11 years I think has a correlation to crappy drafts. Sticking with DA questions the leadership and acumen of the Coach. I think we FIRE them both. Let Rex Ryan be interim head Coach. Hire a top Coach and football man...but the article stated the need for a team president/spokesman and we don't know yet if he is in the building( here is a Clue, look at the product on the field Duh, he's not). But Lerner will continue to be Lerner. After all his disgust with the last dynamic duo...he did a lerner and knee jerk hired mangini because of, perhaps, all the money he was out for Crennel/ Savage. most of the off season moves..dumping Sean Jones, Andre Davis, Scheaffer, winslow, Edwards, not playing Quinn...all have $$$$$ savings tied to it. Now the product on the field is the result. And Mangini stubbornly sticking with Anderson is the cherry on top of this cowpie. |
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So are SOME fans.. Forget hope! Show me some HEART! |
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Those Jets cast offs are by and large the best players on defense aside from Wimbley and Wright.
Or did you nto watch the games? Two Years, Two Pro Bowls. |
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Joe doesn't watch the games. He comes on here to cut and paste the same false information. When he's confronted with the facts, he ignores them and then a day or two later, posts the same babbling falsehoods. He just wants to whine and complain and live in Never Never Land, as none of the things he posts are anywhere near reality. |
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I agree with 99% of the posts but here is something slightly different, a recommendation. Fire the whole organization and steal Bill Parcells from the dolphins and rebuild from the top down.
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Im on BpG's side in this arguement. Mangini came on board with very little talent. Im NOT yet saying he is the answer at Head coach but to fire him now would be absurd. Give the man time to implement his plan. Some of the players he brought in have played well IMHO (as proven this week by Ebram and Barton). And lets not forget...almost every coach brings in their former players to help transition the rest of the team into the new system, so Mangini bring in his players is not uncommon. As for Edwards and K2...K2 has a big mouth and was constantly injuried. Edwards plain and simple didnt want to be here. The point where I disagree is on Lerner. I think its about time he takes an interest in this team. For once he's being vocal and I personally think its a good thing.
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Considering your opinion that Quinn isn't better than one of the worst QB's to take the field as a Brown that first pick better be a quarterback and he better be ready to start game one next year. Fun huh? Earlier you wrote:
Perhaps not, but I can blame him for keeping both of these guys. He had EVERY opportunity to replace Quinn and Anderson in FA and the draft. He CHOSE to play "QB competition" then flip flopped in 2 1/2 games. Might as well have flipped a coin. The results were the same. Having a QB competition DURING a system install isn't conducive to winning. Blaming a player for the results of that...... Mangini is a waffler. And now he's waffled again. With three minutes left in the game. That's BS and you know it. Who the hell changes QB's with three minutes left? When you change your mind three games in you better get results. He rolled the dice and LOST. I said from day one it was his choice to make. He could choose any QB because he had no ties to what was here. It was his choice because it was HIS ass on the line. Well, he chose to start Quinn, yank him and go with DA. His ass was on the line and he lost. That is all on him. By the way, Quinn obviously struggled but was completing over 60% of his passes. Mangini yanked him for a sub 40% guy playing HISTORICALLY bad. Yet he doesn't trade Quinn before the deadline to gain more of those draft picks we love so much? Explain that to me? I want to hear your thoughts on WHY we would keep Quinn so he could sit on the bench behind Anderson? That's flat out stupid. Sanchez was there. Any number of FA quarterbacks were there. He passed on them all. Mangini WANTED Quinn and DA as his QB group this season. He wanted a QB controversy here in Cleveland yet another year because he set it UP that way. So yes, I CAN blame him for these quarterbacks. ANd for the turmoil this fanbase is in right now. He created this monster. And now next year we'll perhaps have a rookie QB under center and go through another year of growing pains getting him some playing experience. Another lost year. That is if Mangini doesn't stick with DA and draft a WR in the first.  Maybe have ANOTHER QB competition next year..... DA VS. Quinn 2 The Thrilla in Vanilla.-------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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Is being among the best players on the 32nd ranked defense an accolade or an insult? While it's true we are getting more pressure on the QB we still can't stop the run and are the worst tackling team I've ever seen. Not much of an improvement in my book. -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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We aren't running a "new system". RAC installed the Pat style 3-4. Mangini runs the Pat style 3-4. Now some of the calls may be different. One guy may be more aggressive than another but the basic scheme is the SAME. The defensive transition should have been VERY smooth. Not needing a bunch of transitional players to install the scheme. -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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-Eric Mangini's job should be safe this year and next year.
-Randy Lerner should start looking at the Indianapolis Colts tree. Bill Polian, president, is grooming his son as his assistant. -Tony Dungy should be hired as a consultant. -Wait until after the season ends to interview and hire a president. |
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mangini sucks
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http://www.cleveland.com/brown...eric_mangini_16.html
I'm behind Mangini in most of his decisions but what I am scratching my head at is the QB situation and the fact that he is insistent on keeping Brian Daboll. I'll admit that I am not a head coach and certainly dont know as much as Mangini but just dont understand those moves. Its worth noting that Carl Smith, our QB coach, was the OC in Jacksonville when they passed on drafting Brady Quinn twice and chose to go with the backup to Byron Leftwich, David Garrard. ----------------------------------------------------------- Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. --Albert Einstein |
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The WORST rated defense in the NFL! are you serious with that post!?! |
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I think Daboll has to be one of the biggest problems. I do not get keeping him.
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It's simple. Mangini likes him, so he stays. |
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He liked Kokinis also and it sounds like he might be history. |
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At least your plan is to do something. Basically, they need to strip and start over this week. Whatever they were doing - wasn't working. Use this time correctly. Break down the offense and defensive schemes and add the alterations. It isn't working - so make some changes on both sides of the ball. |
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Those Jets players were the best we could get ? |
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Junior is lost. Always has been. Always will be.
The guy caves into fan and media pressure every stinking time. We change coaches and GMs continuously and the results are always the same. We continue to suck. Junior lacks the guts to stick w/a plan. He is too damn worried about public perception. He has yet to figure out that this revolving door has led to our "suckiness." I'm sick of him. Sick of the entire mess. |
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never too late to change teams.. bye. |
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You will be changing teams soon enough. You can take your poison to BQ's new team. If he can find one, that is.
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Wheres your boy DA? oh right, back on the bench where he started. haha. 10.4 passing rating. You really know your stuff.
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I think DA sucks. Where does that leave you now? I could care less if DA ever plays another down in a Brown's uni. So, he is not "my boy."
Both our qbs suck. The difference between you and I is that I root for the team and you root for a player........and you have the audacity to say " ...your boy."  |
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Definition of a Browns offensive turnover: A play that eliminates the need for a punt.
Eric: forget the turnovers. They only matter to an O that moves the ball. |
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No, You pimped DA all offseason. Said he was great, projected he was winning the QB competition. Said you had the "inside" info. When you were wrong, again, you change what you say to try to get creditbility back. the board got your number.
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It came as some surprise when I heard on NFL tonight that Kokinis had no idea the Brayon Edwards trade was coming. Wasn't Mangini and Kokinis supposed to be working hand in hand?
Hence the term Mankok? Seems it's all Man and no Kok in Berea and it's been that way for some time. Seems Kokinis has been out of the loop on these decisions and Mangini is running the ENTIRE show. This whole thing has become a fiasco. I agree with you Vers. I don't like the constant turnaround in Berea. It's not conducive to developing the kind of team we want. However, Mangini(no longer Mankok it seems) has lost this team. Will he willingly accept a STRONG President and subsequent GM taking control and stay as strictly the Head Coach? Doubtful. From all accounts he's an ego maniac. Not likely to be subordinate to a higher up. We shall see I guess. I have this feeling we are in for another regime change like it or not. All we can do is hope THIS time Lerner does it the RIGHT way from the top down. Hire a President. Let HIM hire a GM. Let them hire a Head Coach together. Then PRAY we hired the right people and wait it out. I don't like it man. I'm WITH you on that. But this is getting weird. Really weird and in Cleveland that means WAY out there! By the way Vers, my last straw was Mangini replacing DA with THREE minutes left in the game. It was insulting to BOTH QB's and a cowardly thing to do. Do you agree? Some half assed attempt at appeasing his detractors. He's the one that made the switch to DA, man up and stand by the desision. Or wait for the bye, examine your options and make a switch if you feel it's necessary. You DON'T yank a guy with 3 minutes left. DA had every right to be pissed. So did Quinn though he didn't show it. Like him or not Quinn has shown class in all of this. Christ I can't believe how messed up this team is. Peace -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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Lets Fire Mangini Now.... Why wait? Just think of all the great coaching candidates that are out there. I hate watching the jets leftovers.
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I don't recall Vers making any mention of inside information this off season. In years past he has and I have no information one way or the other about it, but THIS off season I recall him mentioning he no longer had any inside guys. Take that for what you will. While Vers has been a notorious DA supporter in years past and he and I have had many heated arguments and fights on the subject he wasn't around much this off season. I don't recall if it was due to a suspension or what but he was pretty scarce this camp. So IMO at best you're over stating his vehemence THIS camp/preseason. Also, I wouldn't get too pumped about a permanent switch to Quinn just yet. It's just as likely Anderson starts against the Ravens. With this Coach who KNOWS what he's doing? -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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Yeah and Vers readily admitted that his inside source got purged with the last regime.
Bradyz10 is just a troll. Two Years, Two Pro Bowls. |
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Thanks Spirit and BpG. I clearly stated that my two sources were gone and I had no inside information this year.
I also never said that DA would start this year. I didn't have a clue. All I ever said is that I wouldn't guarantee that BQ would start. Guys, I think they both stink. However, as much as I hated Leon, we really do miss him. MoMass doesn't have one clue. He never makes sight adjustments. Teams blitz and our qb reads it, but MoMass runs straight up field. He did it to both qbs yesterday. Spirit, I wasn't upset that DA got benched. He sucked in the first half. I thought he should have been benched then. I did think he played better in the second half, but the fumbles by his receivers and poor recognition of his receivers on blitzes killed him. Bottom line: He regressed the last two games. I think BQ is worse, but DA isn't the answer. So who cares? DA might thrive on a team like Minnesota, who has a great offensive line [he really needs that], and lots of talent around him, but he can't thrive on a team like ours. He just isn't good enough. His pocket presence under pressure is terrible. The sad thing is that Quinn is even worse. What do we do now? LOL.....the answer is what we always do.......fire more coaches and front office personnel. How exciting. |
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I agree with this statement and I can add to it as well. The biggest reason Edwards was traded was because he was not worth a franchise tag and he did not want to play in Cleveland. People make such a big deal about Edwards being traded, but the facts are that Edwards was and is way over rated. He will always be a WR that makes a great catch every once in awhile, but will drop several passes each year. Edwards could not be counted on to catch the football, you can not have a #1 wr who can't be counted on. Trading Edwards for what ever they could get was the right move. KW2 was also way overrated, he has become nothing more than a good possession wr playing in the TE position. He would catch a ball and go down. Can anyone tell me KW2 was a threat to take it to the end zone once he got the ball and how many big gains has he ever had with this team? I do disagree with BpG on the Lerner should shut his mouth issue, because for one Lerner owns the team, he can say what he wants whenever he wants. Second, Lerner is stepping up and making decisions, he is stepping up because nobody else in the organization is. I have been displeased with Lerner, but I have gained a new respect for him by the way he has stepped up and for the honest answer he he gave the media when he implied that he is unsure what to do. Lerner has stated that he is going to get many knowledgeable eyes on this situation to turn this mess around. It was Lerner that called it a mess, as we the fans see it as well. Lerner is trying to stop this spiral, I think he understands that he needs to put proven people in position to right this ship, people who have done it before. I think we just may see Accorsi back in Cleveland with Berni being groomed for the future GM. . |
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I could see making a change at half time perhaps or better yet waiting for the bye, but with three minutes left on the clock? That was BS man. -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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