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Spirit, I'm with you. I've never liked DA but that was a calculated move to embarass the qb and place the blame all on him. Crap like that gets noticed in the locker room. |
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Agreed, just to set the record straight, Sean Jones is starting for Philly now and is playing lights out football. He's clearly been the best safety when on the field and thats why he's starting now. |
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Check your facts, Sean Jones is starting for Philly. Just took a couple of games to shake the Cleveland funk. He's clearly been the best safety when on the field in Philly. Thats why hes starting now. I just feel sorry for any decent players left on Cleveland's roster. Cleveland seems to have a drastic affect on their stock. (for the worse) |
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 I can't believe this is happening.Say it ain't so Randy. Kokinis gone because of communication skills? Getting rid of weapons like KW2 n BE? Hopefully not Kosar's pass, pass influence...whenever we would run in Preseason...he's say we should have passed cause 8 was in the box. Be upset Randy but get a President to tie this all together as well as communicate to the fans. But don't start lopping off heads this soon. Especially the talent evaluator. I really don't think our rookies or 2nd Tier FAs is what this mess is all about. So much of it was a Brain Fart move by Mangini to have a QB competition...and then carry it on until the week of our first game? He should have evaluated...named his starter from the get go and move on to building the offense around said QB. Instead we got the most disfunctional Offense right now. Outside of that our team looks fairly solid. Get upset...make things happen - but don't start firing people. Again possibly Randy has to hire a strong individual...Ernie Accorsi or somebody of that nature to be our Team President who will make the HIRES. Or possibly Bernie, if he's over his personal problems and ready to use that Intelligence he has to running the Browns??? But if we blow this baby up AGAIN...Randy can't make the Hire. "I think I should evaluate me," he said, only half-jokingly." And I think Randy now understands this and will do so. But I just don't want him to do anything as a Knee jerk reaction to fans. I just have to at this point - Say, Pray that In Randy I trust. I know he has us fans and the well being of the team at heart. JMHO Kokinis Gone - maybe Holmgren coming. Mangini brings the Browns up! Remember its a 3 year program. |
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Ernie Accorsi or someone of that nature LMAO....Noooooooooooooo!
The game has passed him by years ago. -------------- Dawg Gone |
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It is out there that Accorsi is the person coming in..
Forget hope! Show me some HEART! |
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Would you guys quite talking about turnovers. The O is so bad it really does not make much difference.
Randy says, Mangini can stay for now but Accorsi is now GM. If Mangini is the wrong guy, Accorsi will fire him unless there is a whole bunch of money that gets tied up then he will tolerate him and maybe try to make things better with him. if it is not a money issue, he will be gone as soon as accorsi realizes he cannot be an effective head coach. Obviouly to me, the O really cannot be made up of so many bad players. it must be coaching...right? |
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Cause you say so?  You got to come up with things better than that. And actually know what you are "TALKING" about not simply "EMOTING". Please disagree with me, debate me but don't just mock me with nothing to back it with. After I wrote that it appears that is exactly the road we are taking. JMHO Kokinis Gone - maybe Holmgren coming. Mangini brings the Browns up! Remember its a 3 year program. |
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It does appear that way EO- let's not forget Accorsi is the one that worked the Eli trade and he built that team that beat The Pats a few years back.
Accorsi is a GOOD throwback IMO- He seems to work well with Parcells tree so we will see Forget hope! Show me some HEART! |
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What advice has he given RL that has helped him so far?
To hire ManKok...? -------------- Dawg Gone |
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Lerner should have been smart enough mot to allow Mangini even intervirw for the job. HE'S A LOSER
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Again you are just emoting...understand how one can do that...its tough right now cause all we can do is speculate. As for the advice he game Randy it was to hire Giants personnel guy Dave Gettleman as our new GM...apparently Randy made his own choice of Mangini and his GM of choice Kokinis. Of course now the word out is Accorsi was just speculation because he was the "MOST OBVIOUS" choice out there...as for your premise of the game passing him by. He is a consultant to the NFL. He also was hired by around 4 teams in a consultant position to right their ships. So he's still in the loop. But it might be a moot point of course in the Chicken Little format now that he's not joining us you will recognize that as the best solution and we are cursed for not getting it. lol  Randy has been on the Kokinis hire being a mistake now for 3 weeks - I guess after the trading of BE. I still side with Kokinis in that regard - WR n TE weapons are window dressing and nothing to build a team around. Again I hope he hires the right guy. Dungy? Holmgren? Shanahan? ala in the mold that Miami hired Parcells. Frankly I would wish the first two. Shanahan would be a mistake cause he would want to do everything. JMHO Kokinis Gone - maybe Holmgren coming. Mangini brings the Browns up! Remember its a 3 year program. |
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He could just ride it out to the end of the year with Bernie and hire Gettleman and the end of the year.. Forget hope! Show me some HEART! |
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Bring in a Good GM and let him evaluate what we have the rest of the way as in HC, OC, and DC.
I have been happy with the progress we are making on Defense. We just need better players. Offense is a wreck. Daboll ( OC ) would have been first to go. I don't think Mangini will last. They just cut off his right and left arm in the last week and a half. His handpicked people. Things CAN be turned around in a year. SEE DENVER. Maybe not to the level of Denver, but at least to making us competitive again. It takes the right Coaching finding the right assistants and getting the right players. I personally don't think Mangini is the guy and we can't afford to miss on this next Draft. A good Draft and the right Free Agents we can head back in the right Direction. We miss here. We are dead for a long time. I don't care who we have in place but come Draft time it better be someone for the long run. |
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I think Mangini's job is safe for now because Lerner will hire a New GM and let him decide to fire Mangini or not.
So: I think he will hire a new GM and the Only Decision the new GM will be making about Mangini is weather or not to fire him now or to wait till Sunday Night week 17 and fire him then. Because I am sure what ever GM is brought in ... he will want to hire his own head coach... which is what should have happened this past year. I have no facts to support this. It is just pure speculation on my part.  |
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Totally 11 picks is what is needed, but if you are'nt going to draft impact players, then whats the point. Mangini needs to stay until the end of the season, then escorted off the premesis. If Lerner gives him another with 11 draft picks, it would set us back even further, if thats possible. Getting the front office together, and having mult picks would be very attractive to a potential solid coach. Lerner BETTER NOT let mangini further screw this up. I dont see what made mangini attractive for the job in the first place!! Smash-mouth football. Nasty get after it defense. High powered attacking offense. This is Cleveland Brown Football. AKA MADDOG |
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YES YOU CAN BLAME A ROSTER FULL OF SLUGS ON MANGINI. He is the one that made those decisions. Kokinis was only a figurehead. Mangini's ego will not let him answer to a powerful GM and the longer he stays, the worse the roster gets. You are correct though about not blaming the turnovers on him, unless you look at what he has put on the field and is starting at Quarterback!
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It's looking like Kokinis had nothing to do with the Edwards trade. Now how that could be? I have no idea. These guys were supposed to be together on all of this. However, it's looking now like Mangini has been doing it all and Kokinis has been sitting idly in his office collecting a pay check. If we DO go forward with Mangini, and I think that would be a mistake with all that's happened, he should STRICTLY be the Head Coach. We need a strong Team President and a Strong General Manager. I seriously doubt Mangini would want to stay under those conditions. He seems like an ego maniac that wants all the power. This is going to get uglier before it gets better. We haven't heard it all yet. -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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Ego. Overpowering ego. Mangini appears to surround himself with 'yes men'. Ryan seems to be the exception.
After the draft, I was drinking the cool-aid. It has gradualy gotten bitter. QB comp?? With a new system? Under a first year OC? Starting a QB with the worst stats in 20 YEARS??? Changing nothing on the play calling? He keeps telling us "We need to improve"---How about telling us HOW you are going to improve? You don't know if DA will start the next game, or not? You are backing an inept OC? WHAT are you going to do? What changes? If you change QBs , are you going to tailor the O around his strenghts? Or are you going to keep driving square pegs into round holes. You , Mangini, need to change---either mindset---or location. |
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Again what advice has EA given too RL that has helped the team so far? So the reason you don't want Shanny is b/c he wants to do everything. So what? That's lame, and a cop out, and besides the silly statement of him wanting to do everything is what is needed here so despartly. Someone who can do everthing as a prez of football ops. I'd be good with Dungy for prez..doubt he'd do it though. Cowher maybe..I wouldn't be sold on him for prez though. And Shotenhiemer (sp)....Only as HC But hey I'm all emotional now, and that's how you try to discredit what I say. LOL. I'll come back when I stop smiling.  And I'll add one more thing. I've been against the hiring of ManKok from the very start, and vocal about it here. You and others have been vocal for your support of ManKok in general and have poo pooed the ManKok critics from the start. So I'm not the least bit surprised in anyway how things have turned out....not me. This message has been edited. Last edited by: Dawg Gone, -------------- Dawg Gone |
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I agree Doug. This is All manginis fault. To blame Kokonis, his hand picked Toady who leaked( I heard about the Braylon Edwards trade on the radio) says it all. Every trade made this team incrementally less competitive. The draft and grab bag of jets refuse added little. mangini's stubborness to stick with the horrid DA is the cherry that, I hope, get him to Join DA and Konkonis out of town. |
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I just read an Article not to long ago that The Browns are not paying Romeo Crennel because an agreement was made that they would'nt have to pay him the remainder of his contract if he was no longer the coach when he signed his contract extension last year. Phil Savage may also be in jeopardy of having his pay from the Browns stopped because he may have violated an agreement or policy not to publicly talk negative about the Browns while they were still paying him, in which he did while commentating on an Alabama game last week. |
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I think we can all say the Sean Jones is better than Abe Elam. We shouldn't have let him go. |
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Lets look at the play of Elam. He was supposed to be all that and a bag of chips, more like a lump of coal. To think Mangini can avoid being fired is really ludicris, in my opinion.
Lets look at the play of St. Claire. He makes Kevin Shaffer look good. His whole jets junkpile is backfiring on this man. Oh I know, lets give him time. Are you kiddingme, or kidding yourself? Mangini is a product of the knee jerk quick hiring of our owner. Now, in defense of Eric, Ted Bruschi today said Mangini can really coach. I can't dought Bruschi, I'm sorry, however, not only are we 1-7, we passed for 2 yards in the first half. 2 games before that, our QB completed 2 passes in 4 quarters. You do the math. Mangini wanted this power and its gotten to his ego to the point of he forgot how to coach. Intelligent players you say? How about talented, hungry players who have a desire to execute. Let me ask you loyal fans, Does it look like the Offense practices all week for Sunday? Thank You. Good-bye Mr. Mangenious. |
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This can't be better. Mangini is sticking with DA I have just read.
The horrid inept DA is going to take the stubborn down with him. Nero fiddles as Rome burns...And what will Randy lerner do? Wring his hands? I hope the fans stay outside the stadium before the Monday Night crucifixion. Having DA at QB and the Fans in a rage..as the Ravens will gladly beat us black and blue and run up the score. Randy has proven to be a slow Learner...Mangini, Da, and the Ravens will all assist in the shove he needs to send this coach packing. |
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akronjoe,where did you get the info.on Mangini sticking with DA,man I sure hope this is'nt true.Season is more than history,time to put BQ in and see if we need to waiste a top round pick on a QB.With the talent we have on offense and our OC we will never know if BQ has what it takes.GO BROWNS!!!
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Who was it on these boards that told those of us that questioned the hiring of a head coach BEFORE a general manager; that we didn't know what we were talking about?
The GM of this team wasn't even known by our pro bowl left tackle? The GM (or former, now) didn't know of the trade of its best offensive skill player? (at least physically) This team and its ownership is laughable. I've just watched highlights (now that's an oxymoron!)of the Bears game and this team isn't even playing. At least the offense. I guess our defense gave a great effort; 190 yards on the ground, 240-250 in the air and 30 points, sorry 23. God as fans have we become used to a pathetic brand of football. Did anyone watch the Saints and Falcons last night? My god Mr. Lerner, ENOUGH! And yes ladies and gentlemen; it is his fault. |
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...and he got it. So having made his own bed, he now is lying in it. I, like most fans, prior to the beginning of the season, thought that on paper, at least, we were a better team than last year. Although the starters were comparable in quality, we had much more depth. The draft IMO, was decent, especially Carey, Davis, and Francies who made up for what may have been a lost second round. There was a lot of fan optimism extending even to a controversy of optimists vs realists. It looked like we were progressing...Man, didn't see this coming! Where did we go wrong? I am neither an expert nor an insider, so I don't know. But, as this is Mangini's show, he has to shoulder the blame. It's not the losing (for we are not an elite team even if playing up to our capabilities), it's the way we're losing. The offense and offensive system is pathetic, it totally stinks! I really don't think you can blame the QB's; Manning (either one) couldn't perform much better in this chaos. Although I really want to say let Mangini go right now, most expert opinions that I have read say it is not usually productive to fire an HC mid-season. So, let's give him the rest of the season to attempt to right this ship. I will however, demand a more productive offensive scheme or the OC has to be replaced by a proven commodity. Are there any out there? My (restrained) thoughts on the subject... |
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The Falcons and Dolphins turn their teams around in one year,yet we are forever rebuilding!!GO BROWNS!!!
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Kind of like being brainwashed by being told something over, and over, and over again. Once you see or hear it for so many years, you start believing it. Kind of like Browns football, us fans are just so used to it now.  ------------------------------ Cleveland & Ohio State sports..well it's just in my blood. |
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For what it's worth, Schottenheimer basically said there's so much wrong with the Browns right now that even if he wanted to come back to the organization, he wouldn't know where to start.
He also said that we need a proven GM, someone who can make all good decisions, and even then, we need a lot of work. This is paraphrasing of course, but it's the essence of what he said. Sorry, I don't have the link, and no, he does not want to come back here even as a consultant. |
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One of the problems we have here in C-town is WHO REALLY WANTS to come to Clev to coach or play? Well. I guess the money is good. We need to try winning. Now theres an idea, You move the ball 10 yards every three plays. Repeat..Repeat.. Defense is refreshed after you score. Is it REALLy that difficult? It can't be. You turn on ANY other game & watch teams do in ONE DRIVE what the Browns do the whole game Offensively.
Brings me back to my initial interrogative statement.. Who wants to play or coach in C-town, for something other than a paycheck? I dont like Mangini nor do I dislike him. I dont approve of firing people after eight games but he is mystiying in his judgements. If the play calling doesn't change, one thing is certain...We will be 1-15. Beleive it. You dawgs all know what the play is before we mis-execute the damn play. Am I right? My point being, Brian Daboll has got to go. I think we've seen enough of what he CAN'T do. As for Manginous...lets stay tuned for a minute but I dought things change much. Which leaves our brilliant owner of futball Brownies in a pickle. Do I fire another coach after one year and have to listen to the bickering fans and media? In one word...Yes! |
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Until the Browns establish some consistency,stability and cohesiveness nothing will ever change whether it's players, coaches, general managers or otherwise, failure will always be upon and within the entire organization.
For example; Changes over the past 10 years of head coaches have been, Palmer, Carson,Davis,{Interim Robiski},Crennel, and now, Mangini. That's 6 coaching changes in 10 years and nothing has changed much, just more of the same. Everyone and anyone can rant and rage all they wish but it doesn't help or change anything the story stays the same. You don't build a house on quicksand and expect it to stand it will sink rather quickly. First you have to dig a footer deep in the ground to make it solid and firm,then construct your basic foundation on the footer, construct your framework upon the foundation build your walls and go from there to finish the construction. Therefore, once you have completed the solid basic construction you are ready to finish the house inside and out. The dressing is the last thing you do, not the first. If you continue to dig up the foundation and rebuild again and again you will never finish the job. You will always be on ground zero and an abstract failure. A house divided against itself cannot stand. Wise words by Abraham Lincoln. Over 60 years Browns Fan |
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They haven't found the right hire to build this thing to where it needs to be. It's that simple. There are no Lincolns here. How about just a Lombardi? |
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Who is Carson between Palmer and Davis? Dont remember except Bud between Marty and BB. That was the previous team.
Also Palmer was only given two seasons But Butch Davis quit in his 4th season and Romeo had 4 full seasons, A whole lot of people act like we are changing coaches every two years-that has not been the case. However in the current situation two years, in my opinion, is at least one to many. |
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And go down he will if he puts DA out there against Baltimore. They have DA's number and the Ravens will clean up the field with him. That Monday night game could get very ugly.
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I agree 100%. This team is going backwards, sitting at the bottom of the league in defense and offense. The coach sees progress? |
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You are correct Carson shouldn't be in there, my mistake. However my main point remains the same,change for the sake of change just leads to more disaster and failure. At what point do you stop the madness and actually start to BUILD A RESPECTABLE COMPETITIVE TEAM. In the case of the Browns no one in the past 10 years seems like they know how to build a real foundation in which to construct a solid team with some stability and consistency. |
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Hopefully RL will do everything in his power to hire Tony Dungy as our next GM I would like Ozzie Newsome back put it will not happen, and thats too bad cause he's knows talent when he sees it. Mangini will be gone after the end of this nightmare season along with his buddy Brian Daboll a new GM would and will hire his own head coach and replace a new OC. As far as head coaches I liked to see Shanahan (miss spelling)folks we need to score points !!!!!!
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