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I don't know if anyone posted this or not, as i don't have time to read all of the replies in this post, but the Plain Dealer published a Q & A to Lerner earlier in the week, via email.
Read: http://www.cleveland.com/brown...s_owner_randy_l.html ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill's not coming to town, but i still like the pic! GO BROWNS!!!!! |
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What a joke. If you copied, and pasted the questions, and made the answers fill in the blank...it would probably be far more entertaining, and closer to the truth.  "We may not get there in one year or even one term" Barack Obama |
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Kokinis was fired because he was caught sleeping with Erin O'Brien. This is where this story started and where it ends.
Kokinis-O'Brien sitting in a tree |
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Mangini has a plan? Really he told you he had a plan? I find that hard to believe considering Mangini says absolutely nothing when asked a question. If he does have a plan, and not just "we need to work harder, evaluate, communicate and play better" id like to hear it!! Any sensible person realizes that. Mangini, you're being payed rather handsomely to know things average fans don't, and right now, I am having a hard time believing you know how to run a winning franchise. Mangini was no better in New York than Crennel was here!!! We were one colts win from making the playoffs, that is the only difference between the two. I hated the Mangini hire from the start and now I hate it even more. There is nothing about Mangini that gives me confidence this team will turn things around. Good coaches can adapt their style to the talent they have, not jus get rid of all the talent and bring in your own guys. To me, Mangini nabbing up as many former players as he can shows he doesn't trust his ability to get new players to buy in to him as a coach. I agree, our team has probably the least amount of talent in the league, but some of that is Mangini's fault. Drafting Alex Mack before Percy Harvin??? you mean to tell me the difference between Alex Mack at center and the next best center is better than having a skill position player who can change the game? please. it almost feels like lerner and mangini like to do the exact opposite of what the fans would want, simply because we are fans and can't possibly know anything about football. I;m sorry, we all saw Atlanta fall farther from grace than anyother sports franchise, they get a rookie qb and a rookie coach and look at them now!!! I am not delusional, i know we are a ways away from contending, but is it too much to ask to be competitive and show improvement week to week? We look worse now than we did at this time last year!!! How does that work?!?! At least when Romeo was coaching, we were in most games in the fourth quarter but we couldn't finish becuase our talent was young. I really wish I could ask Randy Lerner what is about Mangini he liked so much because I can't stand looking at or listening to Mangini. He has to be one of the most unlikable coaches in the NFL. Stop answering questions like the fans are idiots. This town knows football, we may have a basketball team and a baseball team, but this is a football city and state. We need a coach like Mike Singletary, Mike Tomlin, Jack Del Rio or Jeff Fisher. Prefereably, if I was a player, I know would have more respect for a coach that has played in the league or at least accomplished something as a coach. Mangini has done neither. All I am asking for is improvement!!! Our team always looks a step behind. Worse yet, it doesn't even seem like Mangini cares that his team is stinking up the league week to week, and I think that is starting to rub off on the players. Derek Anderson obviously couldn't care less when he is out there. DA, you do know you don't have the throw the ball 100 miles an hour on every pass right?!? Well, that's my rant. I am scared though, after last year the only thing that comforted me was it couldn't get worse, but it has, and it is going to get even worse at this rate. So go ahead and delete my post, but hey this is how the majority of fans feel. I am sick of being told this takes time, it has been ten years, look at the dolphins for crying out loud!!! You can turn things around in an offseason in this league. Lerner should have hired a football president, who would then find a GM, find a coach and find coordinators. There are not many teams that succeed when the coach has all the power, especially a young one who doesn't know what he is doing, and if he does know what he is doing, he should let us fans know some of his plan because he is losing us fast. P.S. BpG, they patience is a virtue, but in your case, it is a flaw. you are the owner and coaches favorite fan, believing all the garbage they push down out throats. I am sick of making excuses for this team and soon you will be too, cant wait to tell you, I told you so!! |
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Ok first let me say that I read a lot of the posts but nowhere near all of them, so I don’t know if this has been brought up or not. This is the way I see it. Like Mangini or not (I don't and hated the hire) things are real bad right now. And I don't see them getting any better any time soon. However, this off-season there is a plethora of big name, long term, super bowel wining coaches out there. Holmgren, Cowher, Shanahan, and Gruden. To me it is simple fire Mangini and throw as much money as it takes to bring one of these guys in (preferably one of the first three). Give them whatever they want. But make it happen. We need some credibility here. Any of these guys would give that to us instantly. You get better assistants, players, and lets face it we could use some good PR.
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Even when REALITY bites Randy Lerner he refuses to deal with it. This mess is Mangini. The bad trades have left the team without two of their only offensive stars. bad trades have added marginal talent while purging the roster of former Savage Guys...And Lerner scapegoats mangini and says in his EMAIL interview he trusts in Mangini's plan. This is Lerner insanity. He is one slow Learner. |
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Duh Lerner scapegoats kokinis who states he "first heard about the Edwards trade on the radio" hmm, so let me guess who the real GM is. So blame the powerless guy and restate your "trust" in Lerner? Hire Dungy? You have got to be kidding, Lerner will only whine about all the money he is paying for other knee jerk moves...which is the ONLY reason he is committed to even owning Mangini was a Knee jerk hire. No GM of merit would come here. We are Oakland east. Dysfunction junction. The interview with Grossi by Lerner via email only said he was confident in a "mangini plan". That says it all. |
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It appears to me that Mangini's plan is to build through the draft, hence the 11 draft picks next year. I think that must people here would agree that building through the draft is how to build a consistently competitive team. Assuming he's still around next year, Mangini's legacy and likely his tenure rests on his ability to maximize these picks and get at least 1 or 2 players that will make an immediate impact. But let's be honest about a few things: Braylon - he was not resigning with the Browns, period. The Browns got the best deal that they could for him. Now we get to see if he was tanking in Cleveland on purpose or if he was just a physically gifted receiver whose talent is outmatched only by his ego. If he plays well, the Browns get a 2nd round pick, if he tanks the Browns still get a 3rd round pick. His performance over the past few years did not warrant much more than this. Winslow - was great when he played but unfortunately, he only played in half of the games because he was always injured. He was not worth the money. Do you pay employees that only show up for work half of the time? No, you get rid of them. Besides, KW wanted way too much money for someone that is as injury-prone as he has shown to be. Were these good moves? Only hindsight will tell us that. But the reality is that the Browns were a bad team with these guys too. Yes, they may have been able to help us win a game or 2 now and it would be nice to watch a team that is at least slightly competitive, but in the long run, these trades may also be the key to rebuilding this team. |
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earlier in the post i saw some guys disputing what draft picks we recieved for winslow. it was the 2nd and 5th of the '10 draft (or this upcoming draft). i myself think it was a good deal. you can get good players in the second round. just look at D'qwell Jackson hes a second rounder. it wasnt the 2nd of the '09 draft after all we had winslow on our roster after the draft coming into the preseason. thats when we traded him
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boygini needs to go. he has burned all bridges he could have hoped to build here. we need to let him go and start with a descent GM, lets let the GM choose a choach with RL's blessing and see how that works for us.
who knows maybe when we put in a descent GM he will choose to keep boygini and that is fine then. i don't agree with boygini's dictatorship and i feel this team is in DIRE NEED OF CHECKS AND BALANCES. - with the 1st pick of the 2010 nfl draft... the cleveland browns pick... |
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Thing is there are a lot stuff regarding this firing that we just are not privy to. And from what I heard Kokinis is hiring a Lawyer to get his money - which means none of this will be made public. I'm not sure how much of this is about Power and Mangini. That is the spin the media is putting into it and not one fact is established regarding this power struggle. Kokinis can't talk either if he's going to court over this. So its just anyone close to the NFL who has an Opinion and speculation will be quoted as an UNAMED SOURCE in all of this. meanwhile the Media wouldn't be unfavorable to Mangini would they?  These bozo's have been out for Mangini from day ONE. From the Rogers inuendos and once that was squelched they moved on to make any mountain out of a mole hill where Mangini was concerned.It might have been about Power...but it might not have been. If this is true about Kokinis not knowing about the BE trade. Well thats pretty poor on his part cause his fingers should have been all over the NFL as the Browns Personnel guy and hear about it. How are you a GM with supposed contacts all around the NFL established...not know we were shopping BE before the trade deadline??? JMHO Kokinis Gone - maybe Holmgren coming. Mangini brings the Browns up! Remember its a 3 year program. |
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Although I have a great deal of respect for these guys, I think you may have to tell this to Eotab and Versatile Dawg as well. |
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http://www.cleveland.com/ohio-...o_the_cleveland.html
Source tells SI.com that George Kokinis and Eric Mangini didn't see eye to eye from the start with the Cleveland Browns By Starting Blocks November 06, 2009, 1:29PM SI.com took a close look into the firing of former Cleveland Browns general manager George Kokinis. What it found is very interesting to say the least. Reporter Don Banks writes that Kokinis felt marginalized in the Browns front office. Kokinis believed he would have final say over Browns personnel decisions, but it turned out that he did not. And Eric Mangini dominated all issues regarding player acquisition and evaluation. It was so bad, a source told Banks, that Kokinis didn't know that Braylon Edwards was being traded until it happened. "He thought he was getting the job of a lifetime working with one of his best friends, but it wasn't that at all,'' said a league source who is familiar with both Kokinis and the Browns organization. "It was working for Eric Mangini, not with him. Eric was in charge of everything, and George resented that. It wasn't the job he thought he'd taken. It wasn't the partnership as he thought it would be. And he would have never taken it if he thought it was going to go that way." Banks also writes that Kokinis and Mangini were on the same page when it came to building a team, to a degree. But Mangini is influenced by Bill Belichick and Bill Parcells, coaches who want their own guys. They want players who know their system, even at the expense of good young players. SI's source says: "So they sign a bunch of old Jets that Mangini had in New York. And they trade Kellen Winslow, and stay away from [drafting] Mark Sanchez, and trade Braylon Edwards for a bunch of Jets cast-offs. Just Jets cast-offs. They just had a different way of doing things, and it caused issues.'' IF Mangini was over riding his BOSS and going around him & making decisions behind his back he should be fired as well. _______________________ |
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The only reason his job is safe, is because, theres too many payouts allready with crenel, kokinis, if they fired mangini, they would have to pay him plus the new coach. Mangini, brought onboard, all those ex-jet flunkies, along with other flunkies, so, he is responsible for the line-up. He started boosting the jets with a no.1 draft pick, then traded a pro-bowl rec. for nobodies again. He must be getting a kickback from the jets. Also, the team is not buying into his concept. I dont know who is more PITIFUL looking: mangini or derek anderson.
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Those that know Upbeat know I pretty much hold the company line on the coach. I believe that talent is the winning factor in the NFL. You have talent you win, and by no stretch am I saying that Mangini should be delivering victories with this group of misfits. But something about the guy stinks to high heaven, I can’t put my finger on it, but I do not like it, not in the least.
All this clock and dagger crap begins to make me very uneasy, just what is it this guy has to hide? Why did Kokinis get fired when Stevie Wonder can see clearly that Mangini has been pulling all the strings from day one? And Stevie can see that this team is pure awful, under his direction. I see a fan base that is beside themselves, but instead of stating the obvious they continue to blather on like idiots. What they should have realized by now was that we had the right coach and the wrong GM. Now we have the wrong coach and no GM. Hell if we wanted to have a totally dysfunctional organization we couldn’t have written a better script. We don’t need a coach that has to surround himself with only his type players we need a coach that can work with what we have, play to the strengths of the player on the roster. Anybody whom watches this team can see from a mile away that instead of playing football that emphasis aggressiveness we play football the way our supreme leader wants to play, instead of the kind of ball we can play. Why are we running out the clock at half time when we trail in the game? Why do we continue run the ball when were down in the game? Why aren’t we letting it fly? Why? Why aren’t we playing like we have nothing to lose? This team can win games if they take chances, that is our only chance. Playing football the way you want to play in the face of a drumming, and not putting air under the ball when your down, makes no sense to me. When we did have success we were aggressive. Sense the talent isn’t much better we have got to take our shots at every opportunity and we don’t. Aw hell why bother? Listen guys you’ll hardly ever see me come out and say this, but we need to ditch Mangini the sooner the better. Let’s keep Ryan, and Mangini and the rest of these dweebs can be on their merry way. Please Randy hire a team president (Holmgren) and let him balance this thing out for us. It’s time to start at the top. We need a balance and we only get egotistical idiots instead. We need guys that truly do work together, that’s our problem. We hear it every time that we have a regime that is committed to working together, only to see one guy dominate the other to the demise of the team. There needs to be a guy at the top that makes damned sure that the coach couches and the GM gets players to help that coach. I do not want the Chin I think he was great for Pitt and all but he is hardly a team builder and truth be told I think he was an under achiever given the level of talent he had to work with. But make no mistake Mangini will only ever add to a dysfunctional situation like ours, just like he did with the Jets, and just like he is doing here. This time I’m driving the bus… Upbeat #12 is DEAD |
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Got news for you...although not easy it also isn't Rocket Scientist stuff. Putting a team together and making it competitive. What possibly BPG, Vers and myself all understand is that 90% of that is to set a path and follow it...Follow it thick or thin. Now there are several paths but the point is to pick one and follow it. Don't become fickle and veer from the path. That is 90% of the formula to become competitive. We have had Palmer with 2 years and 2 OCs...nothing stable. We have had Butch with 4 years and 3OCs nothing stable. We have had RAC/Savage with 4 years and 3 OCs again nothing stable. I mention OCs cause thats the sign of instability usually. The OC is usually the scapegoat and the first sign of the end. Got to change something...Although in that period of time there was also instability in our DCs as we had 2, 2 n 2 for those regimes as well. Can't speak for BPG nor Vers, but I'm sure we are close. And what we are close on is that we will hang on with our fingernails begging for continuity cause it is truly the one thing missing - heck if you really want to go back...since Paul Brown - Meanwhile all talk about the Steelers...why can't we be like the Steelers well they have had the Noll influence in their program since the 70s. Eagles have been under the Reid program for quite some time. Colts were under Dungy for what 9-10 years. Even the floundering Bengals with one of the worst Owners around....for probably "CHEAP" reasons have kept the course with Lewis and its paying off this season. And I'm telling, you and anyone who wishes to know...in this day and age of NFL it takes 3 years at the least to get the taste of what the program has to give. Not freakin 8 games under the most BIASED scrutiny of the Sports Media who literally "HATE" Mangini. All we wish is to FOLLOW THE PATH AND SEE IT OUT!!! Rather than get annal about it and nit pick as if we can do it better and know the secret formula... Ya want to know what the secret formula is? I'll tell you.... Freakin just DO IT!!!!! Not almost DO IT....Not just start to DO IT. Thats why probably the same guys laugh at the dawgs who state its the play calling. Its the execution...its the path to getting it done. And usually Repetition is the key! JMHO - but you all go and Whine away...run around telling all that the sky is falling. Demand Change thinking that is the Change is going to bring COMPETENT FOOTBALL. ALL it brings is a new path and a new beginning that has to go through at least 3 years...that you all will be whining and crying in year one stating we NEED CHANGE!!! But go ahead and "I TOLD YOU SO" like its brilliant At least understand why we say what we say! I know I understand you all...its called frustration. Like I don't have it too? Kokinis Gone - maybe Holmgren coming. Mangini brings the Browns up! Remember its a 3 year program. |
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I agree that it takes three years to get going in a system. However, this system seems anemic. I hope we get our head man soon And start our year one next year.
Redzone NFL Blogs http://blog.theredzone.org/ViewItem.asp?Entry=3963 The Redzone - Best NFL News and Links Report: Lerner to hire 'football czar" within a month Peter King reports on NBC that Browns owner Randy Lerner will or has talked to Ernie Accorsi, Mike Holmgren, and Ron Wolf about the Browns football czar post. A hire is expected within a month. _______________________ |
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well who would you guys want? Holmgrem is the youngest of the 3 is he not? |
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Why not a familiar face?
"We may not get there in one year or even one term" Barack Obama |
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After watching halftime shows today (Saturday). Its pretty obvious that Cleveland is the biggest joke in sports. Just about every network, CBS/ABC/NBC all talked about the Browns during college halftime shows.
The thing that is so dissapointing is that every single analyst said Eric Mangini does not deserve to have the title "Head Coach" by his name. Everyone says to fire the guy. While they are nationally ripping and laughing at Mangini and Browns management. At the bottom of the screen in Big, Bold Letters read, "MISTAKE ON THE LAKE". Thanks Browns. Keep making us proud. I live here. |
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I didn't watch much college football today, but that's pretty harsh. I wonder if mangini will still be here next year.
There's no way to tell, and I'm all for instituting a system into our football team, but I have my reservations about mangini. |
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Can it get much worse? Need to be respectable with Baltimore and somehow try to get win #2 with Detroit.
The only thing that'll save EM is a few wins to show that something is happening at Cleveland Browns' Stadium. If it stays one or two wins...um, we'll see. |
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One thing is for sure, if mangini is fired there is a good chance the new coach will run the 4-3. man all those players we brought in for the 3-4....talking about rebuilding.....
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When someone is hired to be the boss then they need to BE THE BOSS! If Kokinis didn't know what was happening in the organization he was in charge of, that is his failure! If Mangini wasn't working with him, then it was time to let Mangini know that he (Mangini) was working for him (Kokinis). That was his job. I think Kokinis was fired because he wasn't doing his job and that is a just thing. |
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I agree with you. I think the reason he was fired was because he didn't, or couldn't, stand up to mangini and run the show himself, as he was supposed to.
I have said before I like some of mangini's philosophies and the fact that he knows a great deal about defense. I dislike his attempts at being our GM though. |
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Last winter Lerner hired the head coach first and THEN the general manager.
A number of fans on these boards including me questioned this. It did not make sense at the time. Of course it COMPLETELY makes sense now. Ownership is the problem. Lerner has no ability whatsoever to run an NFL franchise. People are calling for continuity now with Mangini; you have got to be kidding. Repeat after me. Mangini is over. (And Ryan is no better.) What competent football mind will work for Lerner? Nobody! ENOUGH! |
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Well Mangini has failed at one important thing and that was keeping the playmakers..BE and K2 that is the main reason this offense is hurting! Look at how we were startin to get something going when DA came in and then they trade the top WR on the team then we are left with rookies who now there is no need to double cover and that leaves one more in the box to play against the run!! Braylon was very important to us this year!! Tru he woulda been gone next year but worry about that when the time comes! I say you give Mangini a few more years before we send him out tho!
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I say after Mr. Lerner hires his Czar. Let them decide on Mangini's future.
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NFL teams have lost a lot of value...especially the 11-15 weak sisters. i do not think randy could sell even if he wanted to. attendance is down, new player agreement pending, way too much emphsis on the Super Bowl which is realisticaly out of site for about 24 teams. if the Super Bowl is your only goal, then attendance will really start to suffer...and the team's value will go with it.
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Eotab, the idea of patience isn't an issue with me. My issue is that there is something fundamentally wrong with the head coach. When he was selected last winter I had a very positive attitude about him. There is something about his almost paranoid secretiveness that tells me he is not the one to lead this team out of the gutter. He has a way of burning bridges which suggests to me that he is not capable of being a team builder. To my mind it is the right plan but the wrong implementer. |
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Randy Lerner is not a great football minded owner. The best thing he could do for all Browns fans is sell the team. Does the name Dan Gilbert sound good?
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Hopefully it's a learning process for Mr. Lerner. We're fairly certain that he knows that he made some mistakes in hiring and is dismantling everything one brick at a time, rather than blowing it up now. A great football mind can work for him and eventually will. There was more than meets the eye here with EM's relationship with Mark Shapiro and RL bought into this. Mangini appears to be a control freak and this needs to be an organization in the worst way now. The second half of the season will be the deal-maker for what happens next year. Randy Lerner understands that the fans are angry, he understands that EM has turned this franchise now into a five year rebuild (so that he can stay hired), he understands that too much power was in one person's hands and that is a recipe for disaster or great things - so far it appears more on the d- side. You have a great Cleveland tradition, great stadium/training facilities, great fans ... now the team still needs to be developed and that is through vision. We are all questioning the vision now. Randy Lerner - he'll get it right. He has to be hands-on in the decision-making as to the hires to be properly vetted - no more quickies RL. Just don't hire Sarah Palin please. Holmgren-Holmgren-Holmgren (hint-hint-hint). |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 3rd_and_20:
I don't know if anyone posted this or not, as i don't have time to read all of the replies in this post, but the Plain Dealer published a Q & A to Lerner earlier in the week, via email. http://www.cleveland.com/brown...s_owner_randy_l.html For those of you on dial-up or who didn't wanna click on the link, here it is: BEREA, Ohio -- Except for a brief chat with reporters following the 30-6 loss in Chicago on Sunday, Browns owner Randy Lerner has stayed out of the media glare while his team has slumped to 1-7. In his first extended interview since the firing of General Manager George Kokinis, Lerner agreed to answer a list of questions via email. Lerner would not comment on the reasons for the Kokinis firing, but he indicated the need for a "strong, credible leader" is a result of Kokinis' failings as GM. Lerner also said "no" to a question about whether he envisioned changing coaches. Because of the nature of the interview to which Lerner agreed, follow-up questions were not able to be asked. Question: The Kokinis firing indicates the Browns are in another state of transition. How do you justify changes being made in-season after only eight games after a complete overhaul in January? Lerner: My justification for the recent change is that circumstances dictated the action taken and I can assure you they were unforeseen. Q: Looking back at it, were there any signs early on that this season could spin out of control like it has? Lerner: It seems to me that the 4-12 record in 2008 and the fact that we won 24 of 64 games (37.5 percent) over the previous four seasons, combined with our record in the draft and free agency, were the early signs that it would be very challenging season for our new staff. Q: There have been reports that the Browns regard the termination of Kokinis as "just cause." Could you elaborate on the reasons for his departure? Lerner: We are not at liberty to discuss the details of George's departure at this time. Q: Is the departure of Kokinis a reflection of Eric Mangini's judgment? Lerner: No. It would be unfair to point to Eric in explaining George's departure. Q: One of the criticisms of your last coaching search was that you seemed in haste to hire Mangini at a time no other team was interviewing him. Do you regret not waiting and thinking it over longer? Lerner: No, I do not regret the timing of Eric's hire. My priorities in last year's search for head coach were previous coaching experience and a comprehensive plan. I felt that he met those requirements and is also at an age and phase of his career to continue to evolve his style and approach. Q: Jamal Lewis talked after the Bears game of retiring and appeared like the wind's been sucked out of him by events over the first half of the season. Does it concern you that a player of Lewis' stature would be so frustrated and drained at halfway through the season? Lerner: I've spent time with Jamal and have gotten to know him. He's frustrated because of how competitive and driven he is. I do believe that he believes in his teammates and the organization and will continue to play hard for the Browns. Question: Another criticism of your last coaching/GM search was that you hired the coach before hiring the general manager and that would leave the GM beholden to the coach. Do you regret doing that? Lerner: I don't believe the GM was in anyway beholden to the head coach. They had distinct and clearly articulated duties and responsibilities. Q: You spoke after the game in Chicago of the urgent priority to have a "strong, credible leader" to oversee the football operations. You had the opportunity to appoint someone in that position in January but you chose not to. Why? Lerner: I take issue with the word urgent because it could imply that a decision is imminent or could be made hastily. I recall saying it was the "highest priority" and by that I meant that we must have a visible, proven leader on the football side. In regards to why I didn't hire that person in January, the answer is that I expected the GM to evolve into that role. Q: If you bring in a new leader, what is the future of President Mike Keenan? Lerner: Mike Keenan does not oversee football operations. He manages the business side and league affairs. Q: The addition of Bernie Kosar as a consultant. What is his role and what will it be moving forward? Lerner: Based on Bernie's background in football as well as his friendship and familiarity with people in our building, we asked him to come in and get acquainted with more people and some of the approaches we are taking. As a result, he's been helpful in a number of areas. We have not discussed specific future roles with him, however. Q: The appearance of Kosar's addition is that he will imbed into things now to make a judgment on Mangini and report back to you. Do you see a scenario where Mangini would not be back in 2010? Lerner: No. Q: Dawn Aponte (vice president of football administration) has a low public profile but a much higher one internally. What is her role moving forward? Lerner: Dawn is a very talented executive and a good person. My hope is that her role and impact will grow within our organization. Q: Mangini brought in 10 players who played for him with the N.Y. Jets. None of them has been voted to a Pro Bowl. How do you feel about adding so many of his former players? Lerner: I don't involve myself with personnel decisions. Q: Kellen Winslow was traded in March and Braylon Edwards was traded in October. With all their warts, they were two offensive players who produced sporadic excitement on the field. These moves enhanced Mangini's reputation of not favoring "star" players. How do you feel about the makeup of your team? Lerner: The makeup of our team is built on the core values laid-out by the head coach in January. I think that the type of players we have on the team are increasingly reflective of those core values. Q: Brady Quinn was benched after 2 1/2 games. Do you think he was given a fair shot? Lerner: Again, I do not get involved with personnel decisions or player evaluations. Q: The appearance is that Quinn was benched so as not to achieve $11 million in contract incentives based on 70 percent playing time. How much has his contract contributed to his benching? Lerner: None at all. Q: Quinn has six starts in three years and now appears to be out of the picture. How do you justify that play time after trading two high draft picks for him? Lerner: Decisions as they pertain to playing time are made by the head coach. Q: Did Phil Savage's critical comments last week violate his contract and do you intend to pursue sanctions against him as a result of them? Lerner: On whether Savage violated his contract or not, I have no comment. I do believe that by having voluntarily weighed in on our current situation, he has invited a hard look at the decisions he made during his four years with the Browns. Q: Last season ended with six straight losses amid three quarterback injuries. Until that happened the team was 4-6 -- a disappointment, but not a disaster. In retrospect, should last year have been written off just as a bad season without blowing up the organization? Do you ever think you could have stayed status quo one more year? Lerner: I do not regret the decision that we made at the end of last season and felt the timing was right for a change. There were several factors that led to that decision, including on-field performance and the lack of an overall plan or philosophy. Q: It's possible that one or more of the Browns remaining home games will be blacked out on local TV because of not selling out. Do you feel that's a sign of the bad economic times or a sign of your fan base's lack of confidence in what's going on? Are you concerned that more local blackouts may happen next season as a result of a bad record in 2009? Lerner: I believe the risk of a blackout is driven far less by economic conditions and more therefore by the intense frustration of not winning for now five of the last six seasons. Q: When you visited with Bill Cowher last year, he said he wasn't ready to return to coaching in 2009 but asked, half-jokingly, "can you wait a year?" Would you revisit the possibility of Cowher coaching the Browns? Lerner: We have a head coach. Q: You indicated last year that you wouldn't own the team forever if you thought you weren't going to be able to turn it around. As long as the team's record continues to be what it is, you're going to be questioned about the possibility of selling. Is selling a possibility after a season like this? Lerner: No. (end) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill's not coming to town, but i still like the pic! GO BROWNS!!!!! |
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If he beats pittsburg even if we get shutout by every other team he earns another year IMO!  |
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http://www.cleveland.com/brown...tion_is_clevela.html
The Lerner Question: Is the Cleveland Browns owner prepared to raze the Mangini regime, if necessary? By Tony Grossi November 08, 2009, 5:15AM There's nothing relaxed about running the Cleveland Browns any longer for Randy Lerner. With the team consistently non-competitive in recent weeks, the owner faces increasing pressure to do more to show a determination to improve the franchise. CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Is Browns owner Randy Lerner preparing for another implosion of his team's football operations? That's the question people in the NFL are pondering in the wake of the stunning and still-mysterious departure of General Manager George Kokinis on Monday and the team's 1-7 record under coach Eric Mangini. Lerner wrote in an email interview with The Plain Dealer this week that it was "the highest priority ... that we must have a visible, proven leader on the football side." He has indicated this new senior football executive would hire the next general manager and supervise the GM and head coach. Meantime, Mangini said, "I do feel good about the process we have in place and the different departments we have in place." You get the feeling the owner and coach are on a collision course somewhere in the final eight games of this football season. Mangini built the organization over which he has presided since he was hired on January 8. As a result of the Kokinis dismissal, the internal names to watch are Dawn Aponte, vice president of football administration, and Pat Roberts, college scouting director. Aponte was hired this year to serve as the team's chief contract negotiator and to assist in legal matters. She previously worked in the NFL Management Council and prior to that with the New York Jets for 15 years. Her connection with the Jets made it comfortable for Mangini to sign off on her addition after Lerner quashed Kokinis' preferred choice for the contract negotiator role. Lerner wrote in The PD's interview, "My hope is that [Aponte's] role and impact will grow within our organization." Where that leads Aponte is anybody's guess. One league insider said, "If they make her the No. 1 football authority, I want to be in that division." Roberts was hired four years ago by former GM Phil Savage as the team's national scout. He was elevated this year to college scouting director, a position Savage essentially filled prior to the Mangini regime. "One of the most important people today in the Browns organization is Pat Roberts," said another league source. "The Browns have, what, 117 draft picks? (They have 11 in the 2010 draft). Seventy-five to 80 percent of that [responsibility] falls on his lap because Mangini sure isn't watching college tape. [Roberts] becomes a very critical part of the puzzle now because of George's dismissal." manginiyelltb.jpgTracy Boulian/The Plain Dealer“I do feel good about the process we have in place and the different departments we have in place,” says Eric Mangini. Is he the only one with that opinion? THE KICKOFF In 25 years of covering the Browns for The Plain Dealer, I’ve seen some bizarre things. The player picket line during the 1987 strike was bad. At the conclusion of the strike, watching a procession of regular players march onto the team’s premises while passing the hated replacement players on the practice field was surreal. On a brighter note, Phil Dawson’s “immaculate deflection” field goal in a 2007 game in Baltmore would be hard to duplicate. Two “Hail Mary” passes by Tim Couch in a four-year span is, I believe, unprecedented for an NFL quarterback. I’ve seen skullduggery from the inside, palace coups, a lynch-mob mentality in the Bill Belichick era followed by that coach’s stunning ascension to the playoffs one year later, and, of course, “the move” and all the ugliness that ensued. But I’ve never seen anything quite like the current sad state of affairs. Let’s all hope they’ve hit bottom and can only rise up from here. — Tony Grossi Positioning Aponte and Roberts into vital roles through the remainder of the season suggests that Lerner will attempt to avoid a complete upheaval of his organization. "Randy's looking for an excuse to make less moves, not more moves," one of the sources said. "I'm sure he wants Eric to make a miraculous recovery and be able to hire another George-type of guy to run the personnel department and then make Eric head coach/GM. Eric would be the 'strong voice.' "If you're Randy Lerner, do you want to spend eight hours a day on the Cleveland Browns? If the Browns have some kind of resurrection and win three or four games, that would give him the out to say, 'Eric got the ship righted. We're in good shape.' That's what he wants to happen. "Do I think he'll have to get rid of him? Absolutely." Another league executive believes it would take four wins in the Browns' final eight games -- including one or two against division foes -- for Mangini to survive as coach. That league executive asked, "What GM is going to come in and work with Mangini?" One unknown is the future of former quarterback-turned-consultant Bernie Kosar, who has been imbedded in the organization since Lerner formally signed him on three weeks ago. Lerner wrote, "Based on Bernie's background in football as well as his friendship and familiarity with people in our building, we asked him to come in and get acquainted with more people and some of the approaches we are taking. As a result, he's been helpful in a number of areas. We have not discussed specific future roles with him, however." If the team goes down the tubes from this point on, everybody interviewed for this story expects Lerner to do another housecleaning. "This is one of those circumstances where they have to bring back one of those old-time, long-time coaches to come in," a source said. Another said, "I think he has to look at giving full control to one of the superstar coaches on the market. You bring in a Bill Cowher, a Mike Holmgren, a Mike Shanahan -- that type." Yet another said, "They're so bad right now, Bill [Cowher] can just say, 'Write me a $9 million (a year) check and I'll come.'" The costs of another implosion indeed are staggering. "He's going to have 30 million bucks that he's paying to four guys who aren't even there," the source said. Those would be former coach Romeo Crennel, Savage, Kokinis and, should he not survive, Mangini. Thought this was a good fit here. _______________________ |
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After all this what are the chances that Mangini is back next year.
By all appearances the Browns will hire a VP then the VP will hire a GM. From there it appears that RL is duty bound to set up a REAL Chain of command. What are the chances that Mangini survives the change, thats the question? Put me down as he don't or won't... And me I won't shed a tear.... Upbeat #12 is DEAD |
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Okay, I'm gonna do a what if scenario. If Mangini DOES stay, which COULD in the most rare of cases happen, I can see him being stripped of any and all influence on personnel decisions. He can give input, and it will be given consideration but it will not be the be all, end all in decisions.
I can see the conversation post season between the new president, GM, and Mangini going something like this. President: Okay Eric, what do you need out of this draft? Mangini: I need players that are smart, tough, and fit my system. GM: And talented, you want players that are talented, right? Mangini: I want players that are smart, tough, and fit MY system. President: (sigh) Okay Eric, give us a list, position by position, and we'll give you some talent at every position as best way can. Mangini: We need to improve our... GM: We don't need to improve communication Eric, this is us communicating with you. This is how it goes, YOU give us a list, we go out and get you some players with REAL TALENT. And by the way, we're not trading with the Jets this year no matter what you say. Mangini: I think I need to speak with Mr. Lerner. President: This is not a call center Eric, you're not asking to speak to our supervisor, we are, and by "we are, I mean "I am" the voice of Mr. Lerner. This is the way it's going, don't fight us on this Eric, you will lose. GM: But you should be used to that by now, but things are about to change around here. Basically this is a lose-lose for Mangini if he stays, he's not going to have his hands in personnel and if he does, Mr. Lerner needs to be hung upside down from the top of the stadium by his big toes. Offical Driver of the Draft Toby Gerhart Bandwagon...good seats still available. |
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Mangini got to hire his boss ? What corporation/business allows an employee to hire his/her boss ? "The Cleveland Browns", Thats who and when that employee decides to walk all over the "Boss", they fire said "Boss" for not working well with him and standing around with his thumb up his butt. Mangini picked a "Goat/Sheep" and when it went south he now says he will have a hand in the next GM. Are you kidding me? This guy has to go !!!!
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I just logged on to Clevelandbrowns.com and was looking at the home page and happened to just glance at the sights and sounds link. I sware I thought I saw Butch Davis behind the podium... I had to do a doubletake!
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WE do need continuity, but it starts with making the right hire in the first place. A top football man and quit whining about all those other poor excuses that are on blocks. We are NEVEER going anywher until a TOP GM personnel man comes in. We have never had that since the return. Until we do I will continue to whine from the backseat and not be a quiet passenger as we approach the next football cliff. mangini was a knee jerk hire and Lerner promised to get a top GM first. He got yet another rookie who was a stooge for the head coach. $ stooges at GM and you think it is only because we have not "stayed the cource". I could not disagree more. But Lerner will continue to whine about the millions he has frittered away and will blow today and tomoorrow as he cries about yesterday. |
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