Yeah, I bet it was a "Staph" infection. The Browns have announced Staph infections before. Why would they keep it secret? They would have to have Winslows permission first but if it was Staph then what's the big deal keeping it secret? I got a feeling it was an infection alright not staph though. Probably an infection that would be embarrasing to reveal. Gey my drift?

why make one of the very very few guys that have produced on your offence this year mad. doesnt make a whole lot of sence

come on guys, use common sense. There is no way Kellen is going to come out and blantaly lie about his medical condition and the front offices reaction. That wouldn't be spinning the details, or ommitting facts, it would be a flat out lie, and he wouldn't get away with it. Read the ESPN article. He wanted to speak out to let the team know the risk of getting staph infections and the browns facility. Most people who have been following the Browns know about this problem. This, dawgs, is a problem:

"They didn't even want me going to the Cleveland Browns' facility because they didn't want me to get re-infected. Something is wrong up there. It needs to be fixed."

When something does't smell right, you've got to try to get to the source.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5inJA__qQcti1K8BjYodI-gAWX-gAD93U0G9O0

First he says it's the "lie" by the Browns front office, that it was his wish to keep his condition quiet....then it was that Savage did't show concern by calling or visiting....then it's "I'm just frustrated with a lot of things...I'm under appreciated...I don't get treated right....it's not fair".

So, what should we believe? If he wanted the world to know about his illness, it was up to him to let it out--not the team. There are privacy laws that prevent them from disclosing health issues without his permission.

What we do know is:

a: He wants his contract to be renegotiated;

b: Drew Rosenhaus (remember him?) is his agent;

H-m-m-m-m-m.... Might either of these help explain his "frustrations?" And if you were Phil Savage, wouldn't you want to know what Winslow's value is around the league? He'd wouldn't be a very good GM if he didn't "shop" him--especially in light of Winslow's comment that he "considered asking to be traded."

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H-m-m-m-m-m.... Might either of these help explain his "frustrations?" And if you were Phil Savage, wouldn't you want to know what Winslow's value is around the league? He'd wouldn't be a very good GM if he didn't "shop" him--especially in light of Winslow's comment that he "considered asking to be traded."

He didn't shop Quinn and HE'S a bench warmer.
Does his agent mean there's no such thing as staff infections? Was JJ's staff infection a ploy to get a new contract too?
One thing is becoming evident, RAC is losing this team. You've got players going to the press and players openly fighting on the field? Not good.

Unbelievable.

Let me get this straight. His team is 2-4, virtually out of the playoof chase, and his offense is pathetic...embarassing even.

And Winslow is most upset about what? Well, he was sick. His immediate boss (the position coach)called the hospital. How many of our immediate bosses would have? Then, the boss of his immediate boss (Romeo) calls him. Would this happen to any of us? So he is upset that Savage (who is the boss of the guy that is the boss of his immediate boss) didn't call him in the hospital?

Is he a man or a little boy? You want some luv? Man, you get it every two weeks buddy when you cash a paycheck that is larger than virtually anybody else's on this earth.

Quit crying and win some games. And i waste time and money watching these little boys? What am I thinking?

Winslow is being rediculous. I have a guy who works for me that is the same way. Short of giving the guy the keys to my office, house, truck, he will NEVER be satisfied. I like K2's play and passion, but he is 1 of 53 and im sure Phil has allot of important items to attend to during the day. Romeo, TE coach called, what is the problem. Next he will be mad because Randy didnt go to visit.

The injury he complains of playing through is a result of his own accord. He has produced 1 maybe 2 good seasons and now he is suddenly wanting a new contract, wanting traded, wanting, wanting, wanting.

Guess what K2, Phil Savage wants WINS!!!!!!

This is what is on his mind 5 minutes after the game? What was on his mind during the game?

GROW UP AND PLAY FOOTBALL

Remember when football was played by MEN ! What does K2 want ? Savage to show up with a bowl of home made soup ? What do you think Turkey Jones or Eddie Johnson would tell K2 when he walked back into the locker room after this ? If K2 wants out then when his contract is up he can walk. Hopefully his agent (who I will not refer to by name--unless you want to call him scum) explains that K2 needs X-mas, birthday and valentines day card signed by the whole team so he knows he is loved. That the head coach, GM and owner must all kiss K2's boo-boos or he'll pout. Man K2 is a beast on and a DIVA off the field. He is becoming T.O. ya know love to watch him on the field but mute the TV during interviews. K2 please just play football.

I really don't know what to say.

One thing I do know is that this team is a mess. Staph infections, players fighting with each other during a game, receivers dropping balls, DA, poor playcalling and clock mismanagement, etc.

It is not a good time to be a Browns fan

It's like watching a soap opera. And the Giants game seems like a distant memory. Maybe it was a dream.

JULESDAWG...Any comment from you about this one?

Hey Spiritbro.....I'm not denying that there have been an inordinate number of staph infections among Browns players, but let's remember that most if not all--until KW2-- were contracted at the Cleve Clinic, not in Berea. This is not to dismiss the issue, but simply say that his explanations for going public are not at all focused. If letting the world know about the danger of staph infections was his motive for going to the press, say so. What he does by throwing in the "frustrated", "under appreciated", "not fair", stuff...well, what does any of that have to do with staph infections? And although we know he didn't get this infection at the clinic, how can we know for sure Berea was the source?

Don't remember JJ even suggesting a re-do contract....

For sure it was an ugly scene when Vickers and DA were scuffling, but sh** happens in the heat of high level competition. I don't know that it's a reflection of RAC's loss of control, but I my confidence in him has slipped because of some questionable in-game decisions throughout this season...but that's another matter.

Last point...After watching the TO / Rosenhaus act a couple of years ago, I would not think it unreasonable to believe that Winslow's discontent is being fueled by DR for contract leverage.

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but let's remember that most if not all--until KW2-- were contracted at the Cleve Clinic, not in Berea.

Did we actually find out that they were in fact contracted at the Clinic? I thought that was speculation?

Way to go, Savage! I swear, Cleveland does not have one front office staff that knows how to run things around here! No wonder nobody has won anything in this town in 44 years!

I don't know which is worse.....Savage's lies or him signing DA to a 3-year contract.

For those of you that do not live in the area of know of some that work at the hospital, the word on the street is Winslow was NOT in for staph infection . . . I don't think K2 is telling the truth on this one

I read both articles. Is KW2 crying, yes. Do I think my CEO would call me in the hospital? NOPE! But than again, I'm not in upper mamangement or a HUGE player in the business. The door swings both ways? yeah right, me calling the CEO "hell CEO, this is Chris calling"...."WHO?"

I personally feel that K2 didn't want to use the Browns Clinic after all the problems, but the FO feels they are the go to people. I have never heard of so many stapf infections!!! Have you?

If K2 wants out, then let him out before he brings down more players. But I personally watched K2 yesterday and he is clearly not happy on the field with the offense!!!

By the way ... will everybody stop using this CEO and employee analogy. It is sooooo not even close it isn't even funny.

Hey BpG ... I'm guessing that they didn't hold a press conference when you started working for Wexner. Or maybe they did ...

I'm also pretty sure that if you suffered a work related illness or injury and your company asked you to keep it in the down low only for there to be numerous nasty internet rumors start popping up ... you may not be too thrilled either!

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Great. Way to be classy Phil. Now we have our best player angry.

Guys, K2 wants to be the best TE ever to play. I think he will not want a contract extension, and want out of cleveland. I beleive this because he realizes until we have a QB and an offensive system that can even get him the ball, he can be the best wtih another franchise.

This is why I am so angry that we are sticking with DA over BQ. Eventaully winslow and others will want out, if we can't get them the ball. BE is a different story, he keeps dropping the ball.

I love BE and K2, and want them here a long time. I don't want to see either player go. But we need our F.O. to step it up and treat our players nicely. Winslow has matured, he hasn't publically called DA out for BQ. I think all of us can make an educated guess that Winslow is frustrated and speaking out, and this is the more mature winslow, complaining about what he can that doesn't criticize his team-mates. I bet he is totally upset. He has only 187 yards this year. Do you think he will want to stay? I doubt it...

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I'm also pretty sure that if you suffered a work related illness or injury and your company asked you to keep it in the down low only for there to be numerous nasty internet rumors start popping up ... you may not be too thrilled either!

Right, I might not be too thrilled. But that's not the point. The point is that mature dudes do not go and cry about to the media, especially right after a loss in which the offense was putrid. Your mad about the illness and not getting the love you think you are entitled to...fine. Go into Savage's office today and talk to him like a man. In this regard, pro football and pro athletes need to be judged just as we all are. Your a man about or your not. It doesn't make a difference whether people do or do not have a press conference when they begin their job with a new employer.

Ever here of a thing called HIPPA?

Patients do have rights ya know.

nuff said

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yeah, that makes sense. He'll just pick up the phone and call Phil to say hi?... to talk about what?? his injury??

NOTHING... there is nothing to say except bad stuff b/c Kellen got the infection from the Browns facility, and when the MEDIA started rumors about K2's groin area, the Browns just threw K2 under the bus by NOT saying ANYTHING about K2. Think about that..
What is KELLEN supposed to say to Phil?? It's PHIL'S job to call Kellen to say he hopes he gets better fast, and to see if there is anything he can do for Kellen. It's a business after all. The browns should just hire me, and I'll teach these people about respect.

I could not agree more.

If I do not hear anything from the Brown's FO or Coaching staff on an injury to a Brown's player. It's a staph infection NO DOUBT! It's that easy to see now folks.

I'm beginning to think KW ......Just may....I'm saying....Just may, be starting to be a liability in the eye's of the Brown's FO. They are startiing to distance themselves from him and I see a possible trade at the end of his contract cycle. Just Saying.

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I love the way K2 plays on the field. He is a great talent. BUT he is a DIVA. He wants out of here. (and don't start the its all cuz of DA) Between the white lines the guy is an animal. Can't seem to get his head straight away. We don't know who is telling the truth. I think both sides are stretching things to make themselves look better. If you intend to keep K2 around-- make things right or look to unload him in the off season. Heiden is undervalued. Solid all around TE. WANT K2 to chill out tell him if he keeps up the 'tude we'll trade him in a package deal with DA. And as always.....Go BROWNS !!!!!

The DA situation is the biggest part of the reason Winslow wants out. I understand you do not want me to "start" with that, but the way the DA/QB position has been handled, I think speaks volumes to every Browns player, and it should have them concerned about the compententcy of our coaches. If the management picks Frye over DA, then now picks DA over BQ, and they burned a first round pick that apparently the organization feels was a mistake, then it is indicticative that the organization has some bigger issues. Why would that impress a player to stay? The way the DA/BQ and DA/Frye situations were handled (I am talking specifically about Frye being picked as last year's starter)...then that tells me at least a lot... Why would the players think that much differently than us fans? It is more important to the players, it is their livelyhood...

Anyone hear the rumor from Philadelphia that while Winslow was in the hospital, the Eagles wanted to make an offer to get him. Supposedly it didnt work out. Didnt know if anyone els