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All this talk a bout replacements here and there but you gotta ask yourself, who Besides Bernie Kosar would WANT to work for the Browns? It is either a Career ending move or it tarnishes your past accomplishments.
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You ca certainly see it that way, however having a yes man as a GM upsets the normal checks and balances that should exist between GM and coach in a "functional" team. This is but the first step in putting those checks in place, lets hope the next step ( the hire) is positive. ------------------------------------------------------------" I wuv triple time harch" - Madeline Kahn ( History of the World Part1) |
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Heres a question for all browns fans...How does a coach that noone respects or likes finds a way to bring talent to this team? Bottom line the only people who want to play for Mangini are players who get traded, and rookies, the rest want nothing to do w the guy....So how can he possibly ever rebuild a team? Bottom line hes the issue, I doubt Coweher will ever come to cleveland and honestly I would go with one of two coaches, Shanahan, or Gruden. Both can make and have super bowl resumes, and bottom line when was the last time the raiders were good, with gruden. If he can make it happen w al davis should be cake w Lerner.
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I could not agree more. |
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HOLMGREN or MARTY either one will work!!!
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If we don't at least speak to Mike Holmgren, I am going to rage out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Two Years, Two Pro Bowls. |
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Technically we have 11 picks next year. realistically we have 9. 2 of those picks are washes cuz we have to find 2 players that were as good as Edwards and K2.
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Agreed. I wonder though, does Holmgren want to coach or run a team as President? I'd take him either way of course. Just wondering if he still has coaching in his blood would he be happy running a team from behind a desk? Either way we SHOULD be talking with this guy. -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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Not exaclty... K2 = David Vekunai(sp) and the 5th pick this year. BE = 0 picks when he would have left at the end of this year anyway. |
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I wonder if being rid of Kokinis will help with getting Cribbs a new contract?
Lerner please find a way to fix this?!?!? I want Eric Berry!! |
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What is it with Cleveland that power grabs become the norm in the first few years of a regime? We had the Savage/Collins and Now Mangini/Kokinis in serious power struggles early in a regime. Must be something in the water. Weird.
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Everything says that Accorsi recommended another guy and NOT Mangini. Accorsi has nothing but a long track record of judging talent and helping build WINNING organizations. Regardless, Accorsi isnt going to be our GM/President it looks like so moot point. ----------------------------------------------------------- Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. --Albert Einstein |
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Yes, please keep Cribbs ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holmgren, Cowher, Dungy, Marty, Shanny, Gruden. They're out there, now go get one! |
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In order for there to be a power grab, there needs to be a transference of power. From what I understand, Kokinis never had any to begin with. This whole situation is suspect, and if I had to put my finger on it, something dirty is and was going on behind the scenes. I'm about 95% certain, Mangini will be done at the end of the year (or earlier, depending on when we hire a new GM). _________________________ Do it right the first time, so you don't have to do it right the second time. |
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Lack of power structure at beginning of tenures? |
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BE was gonna walk at seasons end ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Holmgren, Cowher, Dungy, Marty, Shanny, Gruden. They're out there, now go get one! |
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NFL.com
_________________________ Do it right the first time, so you don't have to do it right the second time. |
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Sounds like a guy who knows that he is hanging on by his fingertips. |
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After reading all these post I have come to one conclusion, WE ARE A MESS
For those who want the Chin, how long would you give him to turn this around? It took him quite a while to get Pittsburg to where they are. Our fans will not wait 5 or more years. For those wanting Bernie, really come on. He has a great mind for the game in the announcers chair but the sideline is a completely different animal. He needs to get experience coaching before he takes over the entire organization. The way I see it the only person of the ones mentioned in this post and the other one, would be Holmgren, only because he is the only one who may be ready. I would say Marty but he does have some personnel skill problems as evident by his departure from 3 organizations while posting winning records. As for all of the others they were good head coaches but that doesn't make them ready for GM or VP. (Bernie, I am still snickering on that one). Once more into the breach |
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I would like to know who fired Erin O´Brien and why (generally)???
Holmgren might work with Mangini well, IMO, Mangini will have to lose the fat head he had with Kohonis but that´s going to have to happen anyway if Mangini values staying around here at all.. I like Manginis approach to coaching this team...several months ago most all of us did...although many said they liked the approach, many also added that we´ll wait and see.....well now we´re seeing.... I personally don´t like the idea of Bernie, Shanahan, Chin, or especially Gruden....for various reasons...there may be some names, not so well known flying under the radar for this position....Not sure if Dungy is the right fit... |
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Why do people keep bringing up Tony Dungy's name? Didn't he leave professional football so that he and his wife would have time to mentor young people? It seems to me that if he wanted to still be in football he would still be with the Colts.
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I can't imagine a situation where a new GM wants to keep Mangini after all of this.
how can you trust this guy after this? He is going the way of Bill Callahan......off to coach Marshall you go Eric. Two Years, Two Pro Bowls. |
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for those of you who thaught it was accorsi who told lerner to hire mangini. you are gravely misinformed, even lerner said he went on his own with that decision. as for kokinis, it was manginis idea to bring him in here. it was lerner who agreed....it was all created by mangini so that he could control this team, for he knew that with kokinis as the G.M. that he would be able to have free reign on all decisions and kokinis would basically be collecting a free check (kind of an inside scam against lerner). last, by firing kokinis, you will take that 'all-mighty' power away from mangini. leaving the TEAM decisions to a truely tested G.M. as soon as we find one. also, for all the deception, dont think for a minute that manginis job is safe. i look for him to get the axe before seasons end.......HOPEFULLY
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Do you have a link for that, because I've been scouring the internet for it? And if he did do it on his own. He lied to us when he said he was going to seek advice and take his time to get it right this time. -------------- Dawg Gone (I Miss using the term ManKok) |
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The 2 fans that have the planned protest had a 2 hour meeting with Lerner today and they were on All Bets Are Off and Lerner told them it was his call to hire Mangini and that he went through other candidates but, felt Mangini's plan was the best way to go at the time. I'm sure they were just lieing about what he said though  . You seem just intent on bashing everyone no matter who it is on almost all your posts i've seen. So, believe what they heard from his mouth or not but i think you would rather just argue.Holmgren GM/President and Mariucci or Gruden Head Coach. |
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Or Romeo Crennel saying we wouldn't trade for Hank Fraley after LCB went down? A week later he's a Brown. ------------------------------ We are NOT better without K2! We need a new OC, and maybe head coach too... |
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Go Randy Lerner. Fire everyone!
Remember when Patton's colonel couldn't portage that river and he sacked him summarily. He grabbed another guy on the spot and told him if he could find a way to cross the darn river, he'd fire him too! I for one love it. Our team is 1-7. And it ain't a good 1-7. Something is obviously wrong. Let the heads roll. It's ridiculous to give failure nine more chances (including the draft). |
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Holmgren. Yeah that would be a good move. Marty KNOWS how to build a winning team, he gets fired for not winning much in the playoffs, but I would take that in a heartbeat right now. Dungy also a winner. Cowher not so much. He got lucky drafting Ben. Most other QBs would be out of the league by that o-line that stills sucks to this day. Shannahan and Gruden I'm not sold on. I just want Accorsi for this ONE draft...I'm still gonna hold out some hope. ------------------------------ We are NOT better without K2! We need a new OC, and maybe head coach too... |
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Get Mike Holmgren here NOW to begin sorting through this mess. Because now it has officially become fully of toxicity. One level-head to look at everything and to right this ship. The Cleveland Show, I mean Browns' Soap Opera is in full swing. What do you do to get out of this? Move forward. |
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Randy Lerner's new advisory - the Dawg Pound. What is up with the investigations? That's the question of the day. |
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Yeah, I'm thinking after this he's out of Pro ball. He's burned a lot of bridges over the last few years. Unless Parcels still likes him I don't see a lot of teams vying for his services. And as you point out, how can anyone trust him? He's toast. Any Team President and or GM will want his own guy as head coach. Unless Randy flat out loses his mind and lets Mangini do both jobs, or lets Mangini hand pick the new GM like he did with Kokinis..... Mangini is toast. I guess we are starting to see why this team has been such a mess on the field. Mangini has been wearing two hats. Better men than him have tried that and failed. This is likely to get a lot worse before it gets better. I do believe now that Mangini NEEDS to go. I actually can't believe I'm writing that. A Coach needs to go at the halfway point of season one? If you had told me I'd be writing that three months ago I'd have said you were crazy. I wasn't thrilled with the choice and HATED the lack of process Lerner had when hiring him, but no way would I have guessed I'd be calling for his head this early. Man is it hard being a fan of this team. It's like work. HARD damned work being a Browns fan. We just can't get a break. Peace..... -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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Dude you are seriously challanged. You just can't grasp the fact that if you claim he did something then the burden of proof is on you. Just like innocent until proven guilty. You're claiming he got advise to hire Mangini so YOU need to prove it. Why would there be a link saying he "didn't" get advise? Do reporters usually write stories about things that DIDN'T happen? What an joke. Nobody needs to prove he didn't get advised to hire Mangini because it never happened so there's no stories or links. However there's plenty of stories about the guy he did get advise about which have been provided to you. Get a clue. |
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Oh and I remember seeing an interview with Mike Holmgren where he talked about being interested in a Bill Parcells type job. I'd really like to have him here in that type of role. I live in Seattle and I have a high regard for him.
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Yeah, me too! I'd get a big fat smile on my face on draft day if EA were running it. No way it happens, we aren't that lucky. We should look at worst case scenarios and figure on that. So we'll probably see Mangini running the entire thing. Wearing two hats as he has been all along and doing it all himself. yikes! -------------------------------------- Abandon hope, all ye who enter here. |
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Yeah that would be great the EA part! Like BPG and others have said do you think they'll be able to bring in an experienced well respected guy with the mess this team has become? I just don't think they will unless Lerner throws the bank at that person. I have a feeling it will be like the past where we get someone on the rise that has potential and we'll have to hope it works out unlike the last 5 times or however many times it has been since '99. GO BROWNS FOREVER THOUGH!! Holmgren GM/President and Mariucci or Gruden Head Coach. |
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we as fans have no one to blame but the owner of the browns. once the fans started talking about boycotting games he finally decides to show up. What he cares about is us butting more money in his packet. for years we wanted this team to suceed and all we got were players past there prime. He has made no effort to get big name players into the cleveland browns uniform. When are we going to see the light. He can bring in anybody we want to run this team but it wont matter until he spends some money. As much as i hate to say this learn from the yankees/ a dynasty in baseball and pay the money.(i hate the yanks go philly? we as fans can not hate the browns but we can hate the owner.
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If he does not go the Holgrem (presidint/Parcelss) route. My guess is he will lean to the Giant guy (Gettleman) that Accorsi recommended....I guess he should have took his advice last year when he told him about him..
Then he will let Gettleman decide on keeping EM or not- which I doubt he does, even though EM is the guy who got us those 11 picks! Forget hope! Show me some HEART! |
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The "lowly Browns" have been pounded by two middle of the road teams (maybe Pack makes a wildcard). To salvage this season the Browns need three or four wins but he likelihood is getting slimmer with the FO disarray. The lack of solid play of all phases of the ball has been abyssmal. This could be strike two of the reign of terror where heads are rolling. Was anyone accountable to anyone? They have to get three more wins to make it above horrendous. The schedule and the division do not help the cause. Now, it should, the second half. It's a mess. Make it better. Get Mike Holmgren on the line. |
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There is so much wrong with your comments. He doesn't spend money? REALLY? You can't be serious. Plus, there is no talk of boycotting games. The boycott is showing up to the game but, not sitting down until after the kickoff. That is not a boycott. He has the money if you show up to the game how is he losing money? Get your facts straight. Sorry but, you are just flat out wrong. Holmgren GM/President and Mariucci or Gruden Head Coach. |
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