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I still dont think alot of folks here understsnd the significance of the Shaun Rogers signing ( Corey Williams too )Beau Bell will also give us something we have lacked a BIG TIME hitter in the middle.
Shaun is a game changing IMPACT D Lineman. The fallout from this is that our linebackers will be wrecking havok on the oppositions (K W is a sack machine),  )Shaun being in there will unleash him because they will have thier hands full trying to keep SR out of the backfield.CB's and S will have an easier time of it as a result, as well. Also the Corners, and safties wont have to cover |
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I see our defense giving up 3.7 YPC this year. I think we could end up with 60 or more sacks. I am predicting 28 INTs. I don't think we will be the best defense in terms of YPG or total passing yards. I do think we will be a good run-defense. I do think we will be a good pressure defense. I think we will get sacks and force turnovers with our pressure on QBs. Expect good things.
------------------------------ Did you know: The Cleveland Browns were once known for their defense? |
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Thinking positive about it here as well. When you have vet QB's running scared because of the 3 linemen in a 3-4 eating up 4-5 guys each play it opens those 4 LB's up and allows you to send whoever you want. Id like to hear some of the guys mic'ed up!! I think that we have some sleepers that fit in to that up front 3 rotation that will make heads spin. Of course we keep the O rollin and eating clock and we can last all day!
I cant Contain myself!! Ready for the season! |
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I don't think you understand how little talent we have on defense. We were putrid. You sure have been on the Shaun Rogers bandwagon. Detroit wanted to get rid of him because he was fat, lazy, unmotivated, soft, and a problem in the locker room. I think he will have a good year this year, but I wonder about the next couple after that. You made some bold claims, so I went and looked up a few things. Defensive Stats: Yards per Game: Detroit was 32nd in the NFL, that is last. They gave 377.6 yds. per game. The Browns were 30th, giving up 359.6. The Steelers were first at 266.4. Kinda hard to believe that he did a lot of game changing w/the fallout being the linebackers wreaking havoc last year in Detroit. Points per Game: Detroit was last in this one too. They gave up 27.8 pts. per game. Cleveland was 21st, giving up 23.9 pts. per game. Indy led the league, surrendering just 16.4 pts. per game. Yep, Shaun made a huge impact.  Passing Yards per Game: Hey, this is better. Detroit was 31st. They weren't last. They gave up 258.2 yds. per game. Apparently, the corners and safeties did have to cover for long periods of time. Cleveland was 24th, giving up 230.1 yds. per game in the air. Tampa Bay led the league, allowing just 170.5 yds. per game. I think Rogers will help. But, let's not get carried away. He was sent packing by Detroit because he was the classic underachiever. The Lions defense was almost certainly the worst in the league. I just hope our defense can get itself off the field once in awhile this year. Watching several game tapes the last couple of days was extremely painful. The defense was pathetic. And to think.........Detroit's was even worse.  |
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Vers well said.
It's nice to have fantasies but until this product hits the field and is actually productive, please folks save the rave reviews, its meaningless. I have hard time believing that 2 guys can change the fortunes of the Browns defense. Folks like to point at the close of the season and say see they played better. Strange as it may seem but during the same stretch of the season when the weather was horrid the defense got better and the offense got worse. Lets see now 2 + 2 equals what ??? Time to shed the glasses and take on a strong dose of reality.. Thanks Vers Upbeat |
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Thanks Upbeat.
Now.......I want to clarify something. I think the defense will be better. I like what Savage did. I have no problems w/what we are doing philosophically. I think we are headed in the right direction. I am not down on the Browns in any way right now, and that is saying something. LOL I just think people are getting carried away. That could lead to bitter disappointments, and when that happens, heads usually roll. I think this team is close. Let's not get ahead of ourselves and ruin a good thing. We are still a few pieces short on defense. We'll get there, but let's not do something stupid and start calling for heads if we don't have a great year. |
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I wouldn't say dominate. I will say improvement over last year with a chance to finish the season with a top 15 D.
It will be nice though, when we can say the Browns have a top 5 defense. Lets hope everything works out this year and keep building and we can make it there.  |
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Versatile, I think you underestimate the upgrade we have on the defensive side of the ball.
I would like to tell you a story. Just because I think it is surprisingly similar to what has been going on with the Browns defense. I played D-III football as a safety for a year and a half in college. My freshman year, our team sucked. Our offense was very hit or miss and our defense just struggled. We struggled against the run and we struggled against the pass. That year, both our starting CB and the starting safety opposite of myself graduated. The CB was pretty good and the safety was outstanding (at least for D-III players). We did, however, pick up a big guy (240 lbs) for the D-line and a pretty good LB. We changed our defensive strategy around considerably for the following year. Instead of floating between a 4-3 and a 3-4, we went to a straight 3-4. We simplified things significantly. Our DC basically told our D-line: "I want you to just try and shove your way as deep as you can and make plays if you can get to the ball." Our LBs were responsible for blitzing at least on man on most every down and just containing everything in the middle. Our only goals up-front were to: play physical, shut down the run, and scare the hell out of QBs. Even though we had severely struggled in the past 3 or 4 seasons to stop the pass, I got moved into the box on a very regular basis. We made it a point to win the battle up front and take the run away. We played remarkably well considering how poorly we had played the season before. What I was amazed at, however, was what happened to our pass-defense. In five games, I had six picks (and I was actually playing slightly less plays because I was also moved to special teams full time and I played some snaps at WR). 3 balls were literally thrown straight to me as if I had been the intended receiver. Our new, sophomore FS had at least 4 INTs in our first 5 games. I know our CBs made a few plays, but more often than not, the ball didn't even make it to them. QBs either tried to dump the ball somewhere underneath or, when they did try and go down-field, balls were thrown so far off-target that nobody had a chance to make a play. Being as we were a D-III team, I remember several plays that the coaches grilled us on because someone blew an assignment and a guy went uncovered. I don't think that in a single case, the guy was even thrown the ball. QBs just didn't have time or space to survey the field. Even when they did, they were obviously so uncomfortable they made bad decisions. It was really cool. I think it is possible that we will see this sort of transformation out of the Cleveland defense this year. At the very least, let's not knock them before we see how they look Week 1. Or at least the pre-season. ------------------------------ Did you know: The Cleveland Browns were once known for their defense? |
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You think this sounds like I am knocking them?
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Okay. I could have phrased that a better. But,
that sounds a bit like you are knocking them. Especially when you continued to try and claim that because Detroit had a bad team defense, obviously Rogers isn't any good. ------------------------------ Did you know: The Cleveland Browns were once known for their defense? |
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Our defense will transform just like our offense did last year. Just watch.
Im a man of my worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd. |
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And, Vers. Let's dive a little bit more in depth about the Detroit defense. They were right in the top half of the league in INTs. They were a good sack defense. What killed them? The fact that they were BY FAR the worst in completion percentage. That sounds like a coverage problem to me.
They had a bad run-defense. However, last year, everyone in their front-seven besides Williams was small, slow, and just bad. ------------------------------ Did you know: The Cleveland Browns were once known for their defense? |
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If you want to see how young CBs can play with some help up-front, look at the Tennessee Titans. They put together a good looking front seven, got pressure, got some sacks, played pretty solid run defense, and their young kids in the secondary played very well.
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I think top 15 D is a realistic opinion...I'm stoked to see what the new additions can do come gameday!!
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I have to chime in on this one, and have been hoping at some point the board would get around to talking about the defense, instead of always talking about the QB, although I will try to make a point about the defense and the effect it had on the offense last season.
Lets begin. Last season believe me don't believe me, I said we would score points by the bucket full, and give them up by the bucket full as well. I was right about both counts in this instance at least. The defensive side of the ball has been and continues to be somewhat talent starved. I saw how bad the defense was from 2006, and without any upgrade it was clear we were in for a ruff ride. Most people thought that if the offense could get up and start running the defense would be fine, so I have come to realize that fans as great as they are, sometimes have a hard time taking a realistic look at what they truly have. No question our biggest weakness was the defensive line. That problem has been addressed to a degree. But lets get real here folks. 2 players along our D line from last season are a part of our line rotation. RS was almost if ever double teamed, and niether was SS, so the key is can SR and CW be such a force that teams will have to double them, that will go a long ways towards helping RS and SS look and play better, but make no mistake here without SR and CW taking up double teams will get more of what we got last year. I don't for a momnet believe that there is anyone that can handle SR one on one, maybe not even 2 on one. So now you go to CW is he good enough to cammand a double team. I haven't seen enough of his play to say one way or the other yet. I did watch the playoff game that the Packers had against the Giants and tried to focus in on CW, but it truly is impossible to get a feel for how teams tried to handle him. Will see, hopefully he will command a double. If so we have a real real big upgrade to the line, but one player wasn't going to make the line from last season better, and perhaps 2 won't either, that remains to be seen at this point. Our LB will benefit from an improved line, no question there. Will they be good enough now that they should be more protected hopefully so, but again reality is they as a group did not stand out last season, and good players always show up, no matter how bad the players around them are. It's hard to look at the LB core we have and say this guy or that guy stood out, at any point during the season. I will say this tho KW was a much much better player last season then he was his rookie season, with this line in place I see no way that KW doesn't have a great season, and I think he would regardless of the line. If we have a player ready to begin his rain of terror on an offense, KW is primed and ready for that roll. From there we are talent starved at LB, we have a glut of OK players but nothing to write home to mommy about, their just well OK, nothing more. Our DB's are young, and still learning, and while I see real talent within this group I also realise that they lack experience, and to me one of the biggest factors in the developement of young CB's is experience. Like a WR they truly don't turn the corner until year 3, unfortunately both starting CB are in year 2. And while EW started most of last season BM has 2 starts under his belt and he played in 6 other games. As good as he did play last season he still is on the learning curve. We could really really use a solid Vet corner to help this group come along more quickly. Oh and yes the corners will benefit from a better line, no question, but they still have to be able to cover, no defensive line can take that assignment away from the CB's they have to be solid. I beleive that was a big big part of the reason why Detroit was so so bad on defense last season, and one of the prime reasons why they wanted LB so bad. Our safeties are young and while I believe SJ to be a star in the making form all appearances BP is headed in the opposite direction at this point. He did improve some to close the season, that learning curve hopefully is moving along more quickley and the light is beginning to shine more brightly, he wasn't very good last season, and should his struggles continue I believe he could be replaced next year. Save the he is young thing board, I agree on all points and Pool did have his moments then again he had his moments where he let the entire defense down, that cannot continue. The real strength if you will of this defense IMO at this juncture is RAC. The guy is just great at game planning. He can put a game plan in place I believe to take advantage of our teams strengths on defense, and he can also limit the exposure of our defensive weaknesses. The problem that RAC has had here since becoming the Browns HC has been and continues to be talent related. Will get better this season becuase we have better talent. Given our schedule, and given that teams do find ways to exploit weaknesses RAC and Tucker are going to have to be perfect in their game plan preperation, because we still have talent issues on defense, and the line isn't going to make up for all of the weaknesses. In sun total I agree with what Vers is saying our defense was terrible or maybe worse then terrible last season, and we were terrible in more then one area. lets put it this way the line was the biggest part of why we were horrible, but they weren't the only reason we were terrible. That brings me to my last point. becuase the defense was so so so bad last season it did impact the offense in a way that it caused the offense I believe to be a more high risk unit then most teams would be if they had a better balance, between the defense and offense. A defense that could hold it's own, or maybe make a play here or there. They did but they were few and far between, and their lack of consistancy caused the offense to be a high risk offense. But make no mistake folks if not for the stellar play of the offense last season no no no way we win more then 4 maybe 5 games. The offense carried the team. With our schedule the defense simply must play better or we are in for one dissapointing season. I believe they will play better, but will it be enough???? JMHO Dawg |
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I like the thread, but I gotta disagree on Beau Bell playing. I don't know if you were inferring that or not, but I don't see him playing at all this season. I would like to see it but I don't.
If he does play, it'll be at least after game 4... just my opinion. Overall: good assessment though.  Can't wait for o-eight! Get 'em Browns! Get 'em! |
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