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Dumb thread gimme Jamal any day
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Yeah, firing Palmer was great. He had one of THE crappiest teams in the history of the NFL. And he STILL had a better record against the Steelers then RAC. *snicker* For those that want Harrison to get 15 touches....I'm cool with that. As long as Jamal gets 20-25 every game. If you can convince Chud to run the ball enough to get Lewis 20-25 carries every game and get Harrison 15 more? GREAT. But don't hold your breath because Chud is EXTREMELY pass happy. You won't get him to hand the ball off more than once or twice a GAME in the redzone. I doubt you'll get 40 touches to the running backs. -------------------------------- |
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Once again, people bashing this thread because they are not truely Sports saavy, or are not great at looking between the lines.
Some of you are comparing Jamal Lewis from last year against pathetic teams on the Browns schedule. I'm gonna say RIGHT NOW get off of last year!! DA-bots should've proved this point by now. I warned people what was gonna happen when DA faced top talented defenses all year. He hasn't showed up. A RB in Jamal who takes baby steps, isn't very fast, and is not a breakaway threat at all, is not gonna cut it against top defenses over and over and over. If he's 24 and completely healthy, then ok fine. Well he's not!! Which makes his kind of running even more detrimental to the team moving forward. Move him to FB and you still have your power, some running skill, and he's a very good blocker. Someone says keep Vickers on the field? You obviously enjoy losing. Vickers cannot rush the ball for more than 3 yards, and catching 3 yard screens from DA has gotten old and stale in a hurry. Get him off the field!! The Cleveland Browns offense is supposedly built on playmakers. Ok. DA - QB Harrison - RB Lewis - FB If Cleveland is gonna continue to live off Jamal Lewis and his 1 to 3 yd runs, and 3 yd screen passes to Lawrence Vickers, then enjoy your 6-10 season. And I'll enjoy laughing at you at the end of the season. But people we need to wake up as a fanbase, and start realizing what it takes to win. And that's adjustments!! Stop living off the same crap, and start adjusting. This year we have defense after great defense coming our way. MAKE SOME CHANGES!! Sig removed for smack |
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I like Harrison, but not for Lewis.
Harrison isn't even playing in front of Wright, yet. How can he move up to become a starter? I would LOVE to see of Harrison on the field...only time he sees the field is a screen pass or ST...which I might add he is playing well at. ------------------------------ Playoffs, are you talking playoffs? |
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i agree with dogpoundpound.. Give lewis 50 carries a game !! At least that will keep D-Anderson from throwing bricks all over the field please phil rac must go now !!!
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does it really make a different ????
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No dude, we're not sayin Harrison over Lewis, I'm saying get them on the field at the same time. Lewis is a FB with better running ability. Harrison is an actual RB. Both would be lethal, and Lewis is much stronger at the point of attack, rather than 5 yds deep. Sig removed for smack |
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I'm not sure what the depth chart looks like, but prior to the season when they were unsure of whether or not Lewis would play because of his hamstring issues, RAC did say that Harrison would start over Wright. "I could care less about the fans and the media... I've got a job to do and my job is to catch the football." - Braylon Edwards 12/16/08 |
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And you're basing your evaluation of Harrisons greatness based on what? You say get off last year, what are you on? Nothing. You have ZERO basis to think Harrison can carry the load. -------------------------------- |
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i ain't going to say he can carry the ball 25 times a game, but i will say he aint getting enough carries. the man aint got great high end speed, but he's got great vision and is extremely quick. we got joe thomas and eric steinbach and there our two best linemen but neither one of them are road graders like jamal lewis needs. there athletic and great in space and that's EXACTLY the kind of blocking that the ghost can make the most of instead of lewis. we ain't getting the most out of our players plain and simple and i don't know whether its rac or chud but we sure as hell are wasting our talent. |
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You need to watch the games. 4 times last week Anderson didn't audible and let Lewis run staright at a run blitz. Sorry, no one is getting out of that. Lewis isn't slow to the hole in the least. there hasn't been too many holes to choose from. On top of that you have to give him the ball to get yards - h barely gets carries in Chuds pathetic offense. Second, putting him at FB is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Lewis is NOT a BLOCKING back. He's not FB material which is why that's a silly suggestion. Give the ball to Lewis 20-25 times and give it to Harrison 15 and you got an offense. Unfortunately we have a clueless OC. ------------- Can we PLEASE stop rushing 3 and dropping 8 on defense? |
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Lewis averaged nearly 5 YPC vs the Cowboys. Against Pittsburgh, as I stated in another thread, Derek Anderson ran right into an obvious blitz 4 times (at least) rather than audibling away from the blitz. It's not possible to get positive yardage that way. running directly at a run blitz is the fault of the QB. One of the reasons they are the known as the field general is because they see the field and make adjustments to lead their team in the right direction. He doesn't have the brains for the position[/QUOTE]
I agree completley that is a reason BQ spends extra time after practice studing game films and has even studied qbs such as Peyton Manning to see how to change the play at the line and to read blitzs to avoid situations like that. I haven't heard anything about DA doing anything like that. But I do know that BQ worked in the film rooms most of the offseason. |
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Granted, Harrison is explosive, but has yet to show he can block. The real issue is that when you have a QB that is inept, as DA is (check out stats beginning second half of last season and you will see that the 57.1 rating is just about right) the defense cares nothing about the pass and stops the run. That's Football 101. Bench DA (who would want to trade for him anyway?) and give BQ the reigns.
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Well, has Winslow shown he can block? Has Lewis for that matter? I've seen enough of Harrison to believe that he should get more touches than he's been getting and in fact, if anyone gets more touches in the offense I'd rather it be Harrison than Cribbs. __________________________________________ Reality is for cowards too afraid to hope and dream. |
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Honestly if your talking pure blocking... Give me Cribbs.. And even on runs.. when he is healthy (unless last 2 seasons were fluke years for him).. Give me Cribbs anyday.. Id love to see him line up in a H-Back position and pull a screen or reverse.. even send him in motion from there to block outside.. he is a talented player and would make great down field blocker as he loves to light guys up.. |
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Harrison is our third best running back. And that is that.
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That's a ridiculous statement. Honestly, we haven't seen enough of him to know one way or the other. Lewis is a stud, a pounder. Harrison is the perfect change of pace to that. They need to get him out there and see what he can do. In the few times I've seen during the regular season, I was impressed. |
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 We've Built the Foundation. Will they come? Looks like we are leaning towards Formula Two: Mangini/Kokinis |
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When given the opportunity Harrison has averaged 6yds per carry.
He has made the roster as "a chnage of pace back". When is going to be used as such? What else does he have to do to get more reps? In combination with Lewis, in light of the struggling passing game, it would seem he would be a good alternative. This upcoming Ravens game would be a perfect time to give him more carries. He has the type of elusiveness to give their D fits. |
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you guys are crazy. Lewis is a beast. He's not the same type of back as LT or AP. He's not gonna break 80 yard runs all the time. We just dont use him right. So far this year we have had no D and no pass game which equals no run game. We need to establish the pass before the run like most other teams. We cant just RUN RUN PASS PUNT everytime.. Ive alays like harrison and he should get 10 touches a game, but not replace the tank we have already. I hate DA, and romeo and always have. I like vickers though
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Jamal Lewis is not a beast anymore. After his cocaine related arrest he was unable to be an elite back in this league anymore. He has averaged 3.6 YPC or unde |