With the 3rd pick in the 2010 NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns select Eric Berry, safety from Tennessee....

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kylomite: You like Berry over Mays? Do you think this guy will be around in the 3rd round? If he is around that could open the doors to getting a power Rd in the first, RT or RG in the 2nd.
With the second 3rd round pick I would go with TE.

What TE are out there that would be avail in the 3rd or would we have to get one in the 2nd and go line in 3rd?
So many questions, is it April yet?

row jimmy: I meant the third pick overall in the draft. From the games that I've seen, I do like Berry over Taylor Mays. Mays is a thumper and a head hunter, but Berry is technically sound and knows how to wrap up and tackle. I think of Berry as a Ed Reed / Troy Polumulu / Barry Sanders type of impact player. Taylor Mays is a physical freak but he reminds me more of a Roy Williams (of the horse collar fame) or Rodney Harrison type. He'll make some big hits, but he'll also get a 15 yard personal foul penalty about once a game.

My first four picks look something like this right now:
Round 1: Eric Berry - S
Round 2: Jonathan Dwyer - RB
Round 3: Pat Angerer - ILB
Round 3: Chris Scott - RT

Anthony McCoy has played well at tight end.

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Originally posted by DawgsRule23:
we are gonna draft GARBAGE. think of the MILLIONS that will be wasted next season on terrible players. that money couldve gone to starving children in africa. BILLIONS have been wasted the last 10 years on your Gerard Warrens and William Greens and children are dying of hunger every day. makes me SICK

LOL - if stop feeding them they will stop starving

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Originally posted by kylomite:
row jimmy: I meant the third pick overall in the draft. From the games that I've seen, I do like Berry over Taylor Mays. Mays is a thumper and a head hunter, but Berry is technically sound and knows how to wrap up and tackle. I think of Berry as a Ed Reed / Troy Polumulu / Barry Sanders type of impact player. Taylor Mays is a physical freak but he reminds me more of a Roy Williams (of the horse collar fame) or Rodney Harrison type. He'll make some big hits, but he'll also get a 15 yard personal foul penalty about once a game.

My first four picks look something like this right now:
Round 1: Eric Berry - S
Round 2: Jonathan Dwyer - RB
Round 3: Pat Angerer - ILB
Round 3: Chris Scott - RT

I'd be super happy if we got Dwyer in the 2nd round but, i'm sure after the combine and everything i don't think he'll go past 20th pick overall. I hope he does slip to the 2nd to us though that would be great!

I would LOVE for us to have 2 1st rd picks and select Eric Berry and Rolando McClain. Talk about a defensive identity

Teams other than the Browns that would could potentially draft a RB in the first round next year...

Green Bay - Ryan Grant's only 100+ game this year was against us
Kansas City - Is Jamal Charles ready to take over?
New England - Fred Taylor is not the answer
San Diego - Is this LT's last year in SD?
Seattle - Julius Jones is not the answer
Tampa Bay - Can Cadillac Williams continue his comeback?
Washington - Portis will be 29 next year and is declining

Out of those 7 teams, I only see Green Bay, New England and Seattle as serious threats to draft a RB. That could leave us with a top 5 RB if we are very near the top of the second round. My top five RB's are in no particular order...

- C.J. Spiller
- Jonathon Dwyer
- Jahvid Best
- Charles Scott
- Joe McKnight

Depending on the team, their needs, how they rate out the RB, etc....we could end up with a shot to take Dwyer early in the second.

Eric Berry would be nice but if we want to have future success we need to trade down in the first. Assuming the NFl gets the cap reinstated these top 5 picks are real cap busters. Plus although I love Berry I think Spikes will be just as good down the road, is just as NFL ready, and would make a greater immediate impact than Berry.

Teams that are a few pieces away have "needs."

We need football players and faces of the franchise... Eric Berry with the 3rd pick... then we work from there trying to get an impact linebacker like Spikes (trade up) to solidify our identity on defense...

I do realize the issue with taking two defensive players when we rank last offensively in every category but...

1) I believe a running back can be had in the later rounds, I think 3rd round is appropriate
2) We have a whole in the right side, which should be supplemented by a draft pick and a free agent signing, other than that our oline is solid
3) I still believe in BQ if he has weapons

malauga dropped i can see spikes dropping to us depending who comes out.

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Originally posted by jacksondawg:
malauga dropped i can see spikes dropping to us depending who comes out.

Dont worry, we will probably pass on him as well.

I think we will have the first pick of the draft.

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Originally posted by pfm1963:
I think we will have the first pick of the draft.

We are probably the odds on favorite, but we have some work to do. We have to play the Chiefs and the Raiders and the Lions. I think we will make the chiefs and the lions look like playoff teams. The raiders game might be a slobberknocker though.

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Originally posted by kylomite:
row jimmy: I meant the third pick overall in the draft. From the games that I've seen, I do like Berry over Taylor Mays. Mays is a thumper and a head hunter, but Berry is technically sound and knows how to wrap up and tackle. I think of Berry as a Ed Reed / Troy Polumulu / Barry Sanders type of impact player. Taylor Mays is a physical freak but he reminds me more of a Roy Williams (of the horse collar fame) or Rodney Harrison type. He'll make some big hits, but he'll also get a 15 yard personal foul penalty about once a game.

My first four picks look something like this right now:
Round 1: Eric Berry - S
Round 2: Jonathan Dwyer - RB
Round 3: Pat Angerer - ILB
Round 3: Chris Scott - RT

Berry is giving every sign of being an exact mold of Reed. I would LOVE to get him, i just dunno if we will pull the trigger on him with our QB issues and a new staff likely coming in wanting "their guy".

Although with lockouts and rookie pay scale looming there is a strong chance all the underclassmen are coming out making this a very very strong class.

If that is the case this is the perfect draft to have all those picks. Mybe the QB depth would allow us to get Berry and wait till the 2nd where we could get Mallet/Pike or another QB that would be a 1st rd pick in most years.

There will be some 2nd rd calliber RB's and G's that slip to the 3rd as well. But the depth of this class will be QB and DL IMO

If all these kids come out for fear of rookie pay-scale Mangini (knowingly or not) may have stumbled into providing us with a great opportunity to fill a lot of holes in a very very strong draft class.

I dont normally get excited for the draft this early, not a lot of faith in our previous staffs, but if Lerner makes the right hire ( Please be Holmgren!!!) we could be set up to make huge personnel improvements with 11 picks!

PS~ SAY NO TO MAYS!!!!

Look past his size/speed/strength. We dont need to go Al Davis on this one. Mays IMO should be a 2nd round pick. He is a 2 down safety. Watch him play, he has zero coverage/ball skill. He is a clone of Roy Williams, huge hitter that will get u KILLED in the passing game. He has not improved any of his weaknesses in his time at USC, that is always a bad sign cuz u cant argue the staff has the ability to teach. In the 2nd heck yea id take him! The issue is that he needs to be paired with a ball-hawk FS like Reed or Berry type player. We dont have the players to be able to use him correctly. It would be a waist unless he slips to the 2nd or we trade up into late 1st

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Originally posted by jacksondawg:
malauga dropped i can see spikes dropping to us depending who comes out.

Mcshay and Kiper said his combine could hurt him, not expected to run well, and if that is the case he could drop to late 1st early 2nd...

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Originally posted by Young_Dawg28:

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Originally posted by kylomite:
row jimmy: I meant the third pick overall in the draft. From the games that I've seen, I do like Berry over Taylor Mays. Mays is a thumper and a head hunter, but Berry is technically sound and knows how to wrap up and tackle. I think of Berry as a Ed Reed / Troy Polumulu / Barry Sanders type of impact player. Taylor Mays is a physical freak but he reminds me more of a Roy Williams (of the horse collar fame) or Rodney Harrison type. He'll make some big hits, but he'll also get a 15 yard personal foul penalty about once a game.

My first four picks look something like this right now:
Round 1: Eric Berry - S
Round 2: Jonathan Dwyer - RB
Round 3: Pat Angerer - ILB
Round 3: Chris Scott - RT

Berry is giving every sign of being an exact mold of Reed. I would LOVE to get him, i just dunno if we will pull the trigger on him with our QB issues and a new staff likely coming in wanting "their guy".

Although with lockouts and rookie pay scale looming there is a strong chance all the underclassmen are coming out making this a very very strong class.

If that is the case this is the perfect draft to have all those picks. Mybe the QB depth would allow us to get Berry and wait till the 2nd where we could get Mallet/Pike or another QB that would be a 1st rd pick in most years.

There will be some 2nd rd calliber RB's and G's that slip to the 3rd as well. But the depth of this class will be QB and DL IMO

If all these kids come out for fear of rookie pay-scale Mangini (knowingly or not) may have stumbled into providing us with a great opportunity to fill a lot of holes in a very very strong draft class.

I dont normally get excited for the draft this early, not a lot of faith in our previous staffs, but if Lerner makes the right hire ( Please be Holmgren!!!) we could be set up to make huge personnel improvements with 11 picks!

Or we could use the pending possible rookie cap to our advantage. We use this year to load up on Eric Berry, RT, LB, WR, CB, etc. Then the following draft we can take a first round QB without near the same finanical commitment as it would be this year.

I like mays and berry. but this is a deep draft at safty.myron rolle, barry church,anderson russell, kurt colman, kam chancler. we can get two good safties later in the draft. it needs to be a qb or dl or mlb in the first round. we are so bad and need so much. I wouldn't be upsot if we drafted 3 safties,and 2 qbs , 1ot, 2dl, 2rb, 1lb

Honestly, unless we get a proven GM who knows what the hell he's doing, these picks are currently worthless. I just pray by some miracle we nab somebody who is for once qualified to do the job right.

I realy dont want a QB in this years draft. Dont get me wrong I think our current QB's stink but I dont think we are ready for a QB.Maybe in 2011, after we fix the OL, improve our D, develope a respectable running game, and give our WR's a year to develope. On second thought we may not be ready till 2012.
Any ways I think we should go BPA in the draft. We need upgrades every where except LT,C,LG,NT. I'd like to see us get an OT in the second.Eric Berry in the first or trade down to get Mays or spikes later in the first. Then BPA the rest of the way thru.

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I believe CBS kept all of their "DraftNiks" as they were that good. I did like the old site better, even though it was a "pay for yearly membership" to be a member.

Just an FYI.


MNFs Don Meredith on Fair Hooker: "I never met one".

There will be some pretty decent FA talent this offseason. I personally would love to bring in Lendale White, then if we end up with two 2nd rounders draft Spiller mid 2nd, I really dont see too many RBs going very high this draft.

Anderson needs to be traded, for anything we can get. Take a washing machine like "semi-pro" if we have to but the guy is getting way too much garunteed money to get our hopes up when he comes off the bench and then fall on his face as soon as hes named the starter. I agree with alot of you on building a team and then getting our QB. Im also not ready to write off Quinn just yet. If pike is available in the late 3rd or in the 4th Id take him, comes from a spread offense but the guy has a good arm and hes pretty versitale, Im a UC student and Ill be the first to admit that we are largely over rated but Pike would be a nice backup. Also maybe bring in an older vet backup for a season or two, I wouldnt mind David Carr sitting on our bench behind Quinn.

Its probably a pipe dream, but if the Colts for some reason let Bethea walk Id go after him hard, then we could draft Berry with our 1st and have 2 very solid young safties, Im for drafting Berry regardless of any FA signings though. We then could have the possibility of re-signing Pool to a cheap deal (I dont think hes going to generate a very high demand from other teams being such a poor tackling saftey) and maybe experiment with him at CB, hes a great athlete but he runs away from RBs once they break into the secondary. Thatd give us the option of trading Elam or keeping him for depth.

With our second pick we should look to address LB, DL, or OT.
I havnt heard of too many outstanding OT in this years draft but there are a few good FA names out there I wouldnt mind bringing in, if we could somehow get Mcneil or Justice Id be happy with them, and especially Mankins at OG.

If those guys are unavailable I wouldnt mind picking up Alex Barron from the Rams.

LB is a glaring need for this team, apart from DQ (who is also a FA that we HAVE to retain) theres no one IMO who isnt replacable, Wimbley is decent but we need an OLB on the other side and another ILB.
This FA has a number of LBs who may not be HOF caliber players but theyr certainly upgrades to what wer working with now. Shawn Merriman, Thomas Davis, Thomas Howard, Omar Gaither, any of these guys at our other OLB position would make this team better, maybe Matt Roth too.

IMO we should take our second pick and try to package it with whatever we can to move back into the mid-late 1st to take Spikes, hes a beast....however if Mangini or whoever is making decisions by then has no intention of that we should go after a guy like Kirk Morrison. Barret Rudd and DeMeco Ryans will both be re-signed.

We need some big time help at DE, if we didnt make a move for Spikes and the DT from Alabama is still available we could shift Rogers over. There arent very many FA DL guys that would really fit our system and make a big impact. If they came cheap Id like to see some depth added. Jarvis Green would be an upgrade over Coleman for a couple years, but hes getting old and would cost too much. Ryan Pickett or John Jolly would be nice pick ups, the Packers front 7 is doing really well dispite their teams struggles agaisnt anyone but us.

Another notable FA we may consider, at a position where wer weak, is Marlin Jackson. The Colts may not be able to afford re-signing Bethea and Jackson, also Jackson has had some injury trouble lately so they may see him as too risky to bring back.

WR- might be a position we look at in the later rounds maybe find someone we like in the 4th or 5th but I dont see us bringing in any big names like Brandon Marshall after using two 2nds last year on WRs and Stallworth coming back. Stallworth will probably be just as "Stallworthless" as he was a year ago though.
I do hope we find a guy at TE in maybe the 3rd or 4th round of the draft, or consider making offer to Tony Scheffler. Bo Scaife, Alex Smith, and Ben Watson are also FAs.

Now obviously its ridiculous to believe that any of this will pan out the way Id like it to and if any of it does theres no way we sign or draft all of the names I mentioned, Im just pointing out options at these positions, we'll be lucky if any of it were to happen.

My dream offseason- Sign Bethea, Thomas Davis or Thomas Howard, some kind of decent oline depth, and one of the TEs I mentioned. Re-sign DQ of course. Draft Berry, trade back into the 1st for Spikes, get another 2nd via trade or Edwards discovering those things attachted to his wrists and take Spiller, spend the rest of our picks moving up and down the board focusing on the trenches. And most important above all things GET A VP/GM/CZAR WHATEREVER YOU WANNA CALL IT WHO KNOWS WHAT THE HELL HE IS DOING! Holmgren please take this job, lure the chin off tv, and get us a qualified OC to call the plays! Im so sick of being a diehard Browns fan year after year after year and just getting let down time after time.

Randy Lerner you have so much money you couldnt blow it all away before you die if you tried, take the padlock off your wallet and bring in the personel who can do what it takes to finally turn this around!

Wow, I didnt realize my post was so ridiculously long until I saw it on the board.

I appologize! haha I got a little carried away guys.

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Originally posted by dawg nasty:
No one is saying Jhavid Best from Cal. I am no scout by no means, but should he be looked at say around Rd. 1 pick 4-6? IF we have no QB by then. I know we have many holes, an I know RB is one of them.

some drafts have him lasting till the second round then i take him

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Originally posted by michaelwillis:
just watching ESPN and noticed that FSU safety Myron Rolle, who skipped out on the 2009 draft to accept a Rhodes Scholarship to go to Oxford, will be playing in the 2010 Senior Bowl and likely putting his name in the draft.

Great athlete and very smart, this is going to be a guy Mangini looks hard at, possible 2nd round pick

what kind ave speed does he have ?

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Originally posted by Chris Phillips:
All I know is, with all of these picks, we better get some elite speed players on both sides of the ball.

I'm sick of watching this team run like they're in slow motion.

Just get faster and physical.

how about jahvid best or selves capers(ot ) both have top of the order speed

I think this 3 round mock draft is completely plausible: http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2010.php

I love Ryan Matthews, he has unbelievable production this year and his highlight videos leave you in awe. I would also like to see Toby Gerhart in a Browns uniform. He seems like a total beast, with great work ethic and character

I am not up on the guys in the upcoming draft as much as y'all. Thanks for the info.

I really feel as though our O could improve significantly if we could plug in a young RT. Then we could get away with an avg. RB in FA.

What is the highest you guys would pick a RT in this draft?

Im assuming we will pick in the top 5. There just arent many players worth that high of a pick not including QB I see only 3. Suh, Okung, and Berry. I wouldnt be mad about any of those 3 if we can not trade down

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Originally posted by All Heart:
Honestly, unless we get a proven GM who knows what the hell he's doing, these picks are currently worthless. I just pray by some miracle we nab somebody who is for once qualified to do the job right.

At this point our draft will be mostly dependent upon the current scouts and scouting system. It would be almost impossible for someone to come in and get enough tape to evaluate the players in the draft.

He might be able to evaluate some of the early players but that would probably be the extent. Or, maybe he tells the scouts to give two lists, who they think is the best player at their position and who is best player considering the browns needs.

But, we will be dependent upon the guys we currently have for the most part, imho.

I agree with slowmo, bpa, bpa, bpa, bpa, bpa, bpa, bpa, bpa, bpa, bpa, bpa within reason

First round: right offensive tackle

Second round: running back or cornerback

Third round: see round 2

Third round: tight end (second choice of round)

Fourth round: offensive guard

Fifth round: safety, wide receiver (2)

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Originally posted by mccormw58:
First round: right offensive tackle

Second round: running back or cornerback

Third round: see round 2

Third round: tight end (second choice of round)

Fourth round: offensive guard

Fifth round: safety, wide receiver (2)

I think whoever run the draft should make the offense better first and maybe get free agents to help the defense.
Depending on who out there.
We seen how far a good offense took us in 2007
We will need a good running game if we have
Brady throwing them 5 yard bombs.

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Originally posted by kylomite:
Teams other than the Browns that would could potentially draft a RB in the first round next year...

Green Bay - Ryan Grant's only 100+ game this year was against us
Kansas City - Is Jamal Charles ready to take over?
New England - Fred Taylor is not the answer
San Diego - Is this LT's last year in SD?
Seattle - Julius Jones is not the answer
Tampa Bay - Can Cadillac Williams continue his comeback?
Washington - Portis will be 29 next year and is declining

Out of those 7 teams, I only see Green Bay, New England and Seattle as serious threats to draft a RB. That could leave us with a top 5 RB if we are very near the top of the second round. My top five RB's are in no particular order...

- C.J. Spiller
- Jonathon Dwyer
- Jahvid Best
- Charles Scott
- Joe McKnight

Depending on the team, their needs, how they rate out the RB, etc....we could end up with a shot to take Dwyer early in the second.

I do Like Spiller and Best...they will be good. I hope one falls to us in the 2nd round.

Here's what I like so far...

1st-
DE Ndamukhan Suh
ILB Rolando McClain
OLB Sergio Kindle
S Eric Berry

2nd-
OT Ciron Black
TE Jermaine Gresham

3rd-
CB Perrish Cox
OT Jason Fox
OLB AJ Edds

3rd-
QB Dan LeFevour
FS Nate Allen

4th-
WR Marcus Easley
QB Jarrett Brown


We need RT, ILB, CB, TE
Need upgrade and depth at RB, WR, OLB, DE
Could add QB, S, RG

Ideal for me would be:
ILB McClain
RT Black
CB Cox
FS Allen
WR Easley

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Originally posted by kylomite:
I do like Berry over Taylor Mays. Mays is a thumper and a head hunter, but Berry is technically sound and knows how to wrap up and tackle. I think of Berry as a Ed Reed / Troy Polumulu / Barry Sanders type of impact player. Taylor Mays is a physical freak but he reminds me more of a Roy Williams (of the horse collar fame) or Rodney Harrison type. He'll make some big hits, but he'll also get a 15 yard personal foul penalty about once a game.

I think Mays is without a doubt more similar to Troy Polamalu than Berry and is a better overall athlete and defensive threat IMHO. LB size with CB speed and covering skills...you just do not find that combination often in a college prospect and when you do so, you must jump at the oppurtunity to draft this type of impact player.

Mays would have more of an immeadiate impact than Berry IMHO because as a safety he would be involved in EVERY play rather than being stuck downfield in coverage the majority of the time - not to mention his potential in safety blitzes. There are just soooo many ways in which you could utilize a Taylor Mays type safety in your defensive scheme. In coverage, on blitzes, and with his huge contributions to the run defense - Mays is the guy and the tackler that we must have.

The Steelers use Polamalu in this fashion and we all see how much of an impact he has on their defense. I mean the Steelers are a consistent Super Bowl contender WITH Polamalu but WITHOUT him, they really are not. We saw how different of a team they were when he was injured. This shows you just how vital a versatile, hard hitting, and playmaking safety
has on a team's defense nowadays and when utilized to their true potential.

Your assessment of Mays is exactly what most of the 'so called' experts said about Rey Mauluga. Because of this, many teams (including the Browns) were misguided and passed on him. I was screaming for us to draft him as we continued to trade down and truly thought that we knew that teams would pass on him because of this scouting report and were accumulating picks only to still get our guy in Mauluga in the late 1st round. I was shocked and extremely upset when we took a center instead of the impact player that our defense needed.

We can not afford to make the same mistake twice by letting this have an effect on whether we should draft Mays or not IMHO.

Personally, I like Taylor Mays over Eric Berry any day of the week and I think that whichever team is lucky enough to get this guy is going to see a HUGE immeadiate impact!

Like I stated above, it would be great if we could somehow find a way to trade a pick/player to move up and get both of these guys. Even tough we have to rebuild our entire offense, this would improve our defense by leaps and bounds and would lay the foundation for a rugged Browns defense like that of previous decades.

You would have to be crazy if you don't address the right side of the O-line in the 1st and 2nd rounds of the 2010 draft.

You have to look at the free agent market and see who can help you there and then build from that point. I think we could be able to get some help on the right side of the line in free agency. I love lineman but to add another first round pick on the line might be too much.

Possible Free Agents: http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/fa/ol.html

This team needs playmakers offensively and defensively. If we can get Eric Berry or even Mays (though I like Berry better), we will have added a playmaker on defense.

Then we can look at adding either a linebacker or running back in the second round. There should be a playmaker at either of those positions still around for us to draft.

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Originally posted by MetabolicOrange:
We need RT, ILB, CB, TE
Need upgrade and depth at RB, WR, OLB, DE
Could add QB, S, RG

I have to disagree. ILB is way further down the list.

Importance based on need:

1. RT
1. RB
1. WR1
4. CB
5. RG
6. ILB or OLB
7. TE
8. DL
9. WR2
10.S
11.ILB or OLB