I seriously believe that he'd be one of the few college coaches who could be very successful at the next level. After seeing the outstanding adjustments he made in the game at LSU, there's no doubt in my mind that this guy is for real. He's shown the ability to adjust to wherever he goes, even if it is college. One would have to think that he'd be able to adjust in the NFL and make his offense work.
I know the Browns have gone the college route before and it didn't work, but that doesn't always mean it's going to fail. Hell, with as successful as the Wilcat formation is in the NFL now (and I promise, the Wildcat is here to stay), I'd be willing to bet that Meyer would be perfect for the NFL right now.
And hey, at the very least, at least the guy would bring a couple of elements to the Browns that has been severely lacking since they're returned... and those two elements are, SPEED and TENACITY.
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He is a smart guy, and that trouncing he gave OSU (what a heartbreaker) with all that SPEED was a big one. We do need to find those burners in the receiving corps. I bet he could find 'em.
Originally posted by katdaddy: We tried this with Butch Davis. Meyer does alot of trick plays that would'nt work in the NFL. Everybody in the NFL is FAST.
Every team in the NFL is fast, with the exception of the Browns and a few other teams.
I take it you didn't read my post, since I already made mention of Butch's shortcomings as a HC. However, the NFL has now transitioned into a young man's game. The NFL is collectively switching to spread offenses and allowing their QBs to throw out of the shotgun on first AND second downs now. Urban Meyer is a winner, he makes adjustments that play to his player's strengths, something every coach the Browns have had since they've returned hasn't done.
Meyer would most definitely make the Browns a lot faster and a lot more physical, which is needed in an AFC North division that is not only physical now, but also has dimensions of finesse and speed.
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not a big fan of the jump from college ball to the pros, not sure the coaching skill set in college dovetails into what is needed in the nfl. Not only x's and o's but also the way you get and keep players and how you need to deal with them.
That said, if there is any coach that could make the transition my vote would be him.
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yeah right Meyer is great in college cause he runs the show.... Carrol and Tressel would make better HC them him...but if you want a college coach i would go with Charlie Weis (Be great for Quinn) or Lane Kiffin ( be great for the RBs)
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Originally posted by Browns elite: yeah right Meyer is great in college cause he runs the show.... Carrol and Tressel would make better HC them him...but if you want a college coach i would go with Charlie Weis (Be great for Quinn) or Lane Kiffin ( be great for the RBs)
Yeah, you lose instant credibility by advocating Tressel and Weis. Neither one of them are in a conference that constantly features elite athleticsm, speed, and physicality. The SEC is probably close to NFL speed in terms of how fast the players are.
I would take Urban Meyer before I'd take any of those coaches you listed, it's not even close.
Plus, Meyer is constantly making adjustments, something Tressel and Weis never do.
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I just read an article on how the college game that he uses doesn't translate. They advocate that the field is narrower, players are faster, and the schemes don't work due to that.
Its just opinion, but it was based on a study and why what you are advocating hasn't worked well in the past.
They said while thr 10ft width difference isn't huge, its enough when not everyone is superfast and players/coaches exploit it. They said it doesn't translate.
I think you are off base, its the NFL, that means that everyone they have was a superstar in college....its not like players are hiding, and like players didn't run 40s and coaches don't have access to footage...or theirs a recruiting battle they lost. If they want a team of super fast guys, they could have it...its not a needle in a haystack.
Meyer wouldn't even have to bring that specific offense. The guy isn't an idiot, it's not like he can't adjust. That's one of the biggest reasons I'd be all for Meyer coming here, his ability to adjust to his player's strengths. That constant dive he ran against LSU had nothing to do with gimmicks or how defenses could cover it. Seriously, did any of you even read the posts in this thread? It's almost as if you start generalizing your posts around the thread title alone.
Also, not everyone in the NFL was a superstar in college. Some players go unheard of at the collegiate level, only to finally breakout in the NFL. But what I was saying was, the SEC conference as a whole is exceptionally fast, it's almost on the level of the NFL in terms of its playing speed. If anyone here watched the LSU/Florida game, there's no way you can dispute that... they looked like two legit NFL defenses out there.
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You never know until you try it..I mean it could work out and plus he is from Ashtabula so he knows the area and is probably a Browns fan (but then again Mangini seems to love the Browns too.)
I'm willing to try anything at this point! I'm getting so desperate that I hope other teams starters are listed as out before we play them! MANKOK is horrible, they have never really accomplished anything in NFL. I can't understand why fans support them after getting rid of so much young talent? Do you really believe some of these JETS players they've brought in are better? Considering what the JETS have gained from us, I think it's 1st rate espionage! Mankok has to be getting their pockets lined by the JETS owner! I am about ready to strike against this Browns MANAGEMENT! Most PITIFUL display of coaching EVER!
Originally posted by Chris Phillips: I seriously believe that he'd be one of the few college coaches who could be very successful at the next level. After seeing the outstanding adjustments he made in the game at LSU, there's no doubt in my mind that this guy is for real. He's shown the ability to adjust to wherever he goes, even if it is college. One would have to think that he'd be able to adjust in the NFL and make his offense work.
I know the Browns have gone the college route before and it didn't work, but that doesn't always mean it's going to fail. Hell, with as successful as the Wilcat formation is in the NFL now (and I promise, the Wildcat is here to stay), I'd be willing to bet that Meyer would be perfect for the NFL right now.
And hey, at the very least, at least the guy would bring a couple of elements to the Browns that has been severely lacking since they're returned... and those two elements are, SPEED and TENACITY.
I believe you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! What posters are not seeing out of Myers is that he knows how to adjust his offense to his players strengths. The O you see with Tebow is not the same O he ran with Chris Leak.
I live near Gainesville and was at the campus for the OSU-Florida championship game. Trust me on this, Tressel is no Urban Meyer!
On a side note, for those that think Tebow will make a good NFL QB are DEAD WRONG! He would only succeed with the Dolphins with the 'wildcat'. He is not a pocket QB or a good passer.
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Originally posted by Soup: Meyer's game won't translate. The guy is far and away the best college coach there is.
For those advocating Tressel - he sucks at Ohio State - how in the world would he be good in the NFL?
Yeah, he sucks so bad, only been in 3 title games, and been 1-2 in them in the last decade...every program but one would kill for that level of suck....Say hes been disappoint or whatever, but suck...yeah right.
You want Mangini replaced, but people had to give Rich Rod more time at Michigan? Shouldn't Mangini be given more time to get his guys in here by the same logic?
Originally posted by Browns elite: yeah right Meyer is great in college cause he runs the show.... Carrol and Tressel would make better HC them him...but if you want a college coach i would go with Charlie Weis (Be great for Quinn) or Lane Kiffin ( be great for the RBs)
Yeah Tressel, lets kick a field goal, bahahahaha
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Originally posted by Chris Phillips: I seriously believe that he'd be one of the few college coaches who could be very successful at the next level. After seeing the outstanding adjustments he made in the game at LSU, there's no doubt in my mind that this guy is for real. He's shown the ability to adjust to wherever he goes, even if it is college. One would have to think that he'd be able to adjust in the NFL and make his offense work.
I know the Browns have gone the college route before and it didn't work, but that doesn't always mean it's going to fail. Hell, with as successful as the Wilcat formation is in the NFL now (and I promise, the Wildcat is here to stay), I'd be willing to bet that Meyer would be perfect for the NFL right now.
And hey, at the very least, at least the guy would bring a couple of elements to the Browns that has been severely lacking since they're returned... and those two elements are, SPEED and TENACITY.
He stinks...he just needs to stay in Gainesville for the next 20 years.
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If you had a spare $500 million you could buy the Browns and hire him as HC
Meyer is a good coach and seems intense and serious whereas the failed college coaches listed by NTSC all seem kinda of goofy except Saban and Butch. Plays well with collegians but not the pro's. And while none of us cares that much for Butch, he was the lastr coach to lead the Browns to the playoffs. Problem was he didn't understand the salary cap and had to dismantle the team in that offseason. I don't know if Meyer would do well or not or if he would leave Florida but we would need to make sure we had a player personnel guy who was salary cap savvy. College coaches are use to recruiting a lot of top players whereas in the NFL you get one pick per round.
As far as the trouncing Florida gave OSU in the BCS championship game, that wasn't as much Meyer's doing as it was Tressel's. Tressel was too stubborn to go from that wide open passing game with Troy Smith to the power run game. The gator DE's would sprint upfield and turn in. OSU OT's couldn't handle their speed and the 2 ends would meet right where Smith was taking all his 7 step drops. When we would run off tackle we would gain 10-15 yrds/play. Yet Tressel wanted to prove he could pass on the gators. That's why OSU lost that game.
We couldn't bring in a better guy to evaluate talent coming from the NCAA than Urban Meyer. With how active in recruiting this guy is... he knows how to find and groom talent.
Imagine all the recruiting he's done since his tenure at Florida. All the film he's studied of elite SEC defenses with guys like Eric Berry, Patrick Willis, Jerrod Mayo, Spikes, and the rest of the offensive and defensive stars from the LOADED Southeastern Conference...he'd be perfect in helping us draft and developing these guys.
Moreover, the guy just knows how to get the best out of all his players, he makes key in-game adjustments... (how does that NOT translate to the NFL?)
Urban Meyer has Ohio roots too, and all of this pains me to say this because I despise the Gators but can't help respect the program he's built...
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Originally posted by DawgTracker: Guys like Meyer, Butch Davis and Rick Pitino are always certain to do a good job when they move from college to the pros
I wouldn't want any of them. Carroll couldn't do anything the last time he was in the league. And as for Trussell and Meyers, Niether one of them can't even make their QB's into NFL QB's. Both have terrible mechanics. And I don't want to hear they could hire a QB coach to work with them. they aren't doing that now. We tried Butch and it didn't work. Cower, Gruden or Shanahan is the best ones out there. We don't need another experiment...........
Well...Im not so sure that he would make a good NFL coach
However, Im not sure that he would come out of a sweet deal in Gainesville to "maybe" coach a historic powerhouse back into success? Why would he do that when he is one of the highest paid coaches in college football and has a college located in a recruiting hot spot?
I would love him to bring his record to the NFL...but not sure the offensive scheme would translate
Im past counting our record....here is to bringing it every week and improving our team as a whole!
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Onu is right. The Gators are in the heart of primo recruiting...this guy has a chance to win another NC this year which would be 3 out of 4...that is a pretty good run with more talent waiting on the sidelines. I cannot see Urban leaving UF for any job...he has too many built in advantages.
We need an experienced and proven coach that the players will respect right away. Shannahan, Gruden, Shottenheiler, Cowher, or Holgren. Meyer seems like a good coach but he also gets primo talent every season.
Originally posted by Chris Phillips: I seriously believe that he'd be one of the few college coaches who could be very successful at the next level. After seeing the outstanding adjustments he made in the game at LSU, there's no doubt in my mind that this guy is for real. He's shown the ability to adjust to wherever he goes, even if it is college. One would have to think that he'd be able to adjust in the NFL and make his offense work.
I know the Browns have gone the college route before and it didn't work, but that doesn't always mean it's going to fail. Hell, with as successful as the Wilcat formation is in the NFL now (and I promise, the Wildcat is here to stay), I'd be willing to bet that Meyer would be perfect for the NFL right now.
And hey, at the very least, at least the guy would bring a couple of elements to the Browns that has been severely lacking since they're returned... and those two elements are, SPEED and TENACITY.
Sorry chief. Urban Meyer's gimmick shotgun offense would never work in the NFL. NEVER. He is a great college coach but if we brought him onboard we would set ourselves back 5 more yrs. God I could see it now Tebow running the option gets decapitated by any NFL LB'er.
The guy can't even develop a QB that can play in the NFL why would we want this supposed Offensive guru.
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