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I think the "message" that is underlying what Lerner is saying is "thanks, yea I want to win badly to but I have NO idea how to fix the Browns". He does a lot of good things and I know he wants to win as much as anyone. But I think his exasperation and total befuddlement is what I see and hear more than anything else. To be fair, I don't know how to fix the Browns anymore. Under Butch I felt like I knew how, under Crenel I thought I knew how... now? I have no idea. It's confounding how bad they are.
__________________________________ I might be wrong but I suspect the Cleveland Browns are probably not going to win the Super Bowl this year. Probably not, no. |
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This is an absolutely ridiculous gimmick that is being brought up by at least one individual that clearly isn't of sound mind. Are you going to really follow a guy that wore an outfit that looked like a large container of french fries to support a QB that had no business starting in the NFL. This same individual embraced the star WR for a division rival. I have no problems with mobile dawg other than the fact that he follows this Benedict Arnold that can figure out what he wants to call himself...is it Charlie's Fryes or Dawgpound Mike? I would never turn my back on my team. I have gone to M&T every year to watch my Browns play (I live in Maryland now). I have gone to Fed Ex. Both places I took verbal harassment from Ravens fans and Redskins fans. I would love to see this team be a perrenial playoff team just like every other fan but I WILL NOT TURN MY BACK ON THIS TEAM NO MATTER HOW BAD THEY MAY BE. It may take time to right this ship but once we do and only the real fans are still standing, we all can take pride in knowing we were the only ones that really backed this team. They will know who the TRUE BROWNS BACKERS are.
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one of them bundle of sticks comes up to me and tells me to protest ill protest him with a punch in the mouth
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You are lucky to still live in Cleveland. I want you all to go the game and cheer the players on....isn't that why you buy the tickets in the first place-to watch the players? The losses are not for lack of player effort...the losses are due to lack of skill. Why kick the team to the curb and embarrass them and the city on national tv? The late night comedians will have a field day with this......and one more lame Cleveland joke. I understand your frustration....I feel the same too, but please be in your seats at kickoff. You won't be showing the NFL anything. They'll show you by not scheduling a Sunday/Monday night game for a looooooong time. |
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I'm sicking of hearing "we are rebuilding." That is not why we are angry. We are angry because our team got worse, way worse, than last year. Rebuilding means you bring in a couple new guys, a new system, and your production might temporarily go down. You soon see improvement as the season moves along and the players have learned the system. There should be some tangible signs of improvement by a certain point.
Rebuilding is not trading down repeatidly in the first round for retarded second string jets, because you are afraid of premier players. Rebuilding is not trading your premier players, esp. winslow, because they are a little harder to coach, for a bunch of retarded second string jets. Rebuilding is not playing the worst qb in the leauge, while a QB with unknown potential rides the pine because he questioned you in front of the team, after he has only started 5 or 6 NFL games. Sanchez already has more starts. Rebuilding is not running the team like some despot, who thinks handing out fines for water bottles and tearing down murals builds up a positive team atmosphere. All said, i can handle the crap decisions on trades, the draft, and the QB, and even maybe agree with them at some point, if we weren't getting progressively worse and losing by bigger margins as the season goes on.  "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw |
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*sigh* When was the last time you affected a rebuild in the NFL? I didnt realize you had the 7 Steps to a Team Rebuild book on you. There is no accurate way to predict when a rebuild will start showing signs of success. 7 games in playing what is being called the hardest schedule in the NFL and you think we should be showing signs? :-/ ok...
Oh its not? You mean you dont build in the trenches and trade down to build up draft picks? Good teams dont build in the draft? Good teams only go for the BPA regardless of needs? ok...
Even when those premier players are leaving at the end of the year, nah dont trade them. Lets get what little success we can out of them right now and let them leave with 0 compensation. No dude, Winslow and BE were fed up with this team, bridges were burned and not by Mangini. They werent going to resign with us...Get over it.
I admit, I dont know what he is doing with the QB situation. Maybe he doesnt want to play Quinn so as not to ruin his trade value?
Nope but it shows the players who's boss. When the last creampuff coach was here, the players walked all over him. Mangini made a statement. There is a new sheriff in charge.
Gotta get worst to get better. Mangini is giving this team a dose of chemo. Gotta kill off the bad before it starts to heal. I'm glad we're not seeing a quick fix because we all know how bad this team was to start with (FO and player wise) You can either get on board, or choose to complain about it. Your choice and no one can talk you out of it. I'd rather be hopeful than belly ache about how life sucks as a Browns fan :-/ but thats just me. ----------------------------------------------------------- Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. --Albert Einstein |
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There is only 1 team getting rebuilt here and its not the Browns.
$84 million - buys Aston Villa! $13 million builds new villa training facility! $47 million spent on players alone this summer! Are you telling me we could not have got a better HC if he had offered more $? Better browns training facility with no infections? with more $? Bottom line Lerner has no idea how to run this franchise, his heart might be in the right place. Thats like me building youre new house - I have not got a clue what I am doing but I want to do it for you. It will look alright if a let the people who know what they are doing just get on with it. But when it comes down to it if the foundations are rotten it will never be the pride and joy you want it to be. Bottom line Lerner should of left when he bought Villa it is another sports team! Isnt that a conflict of interest? It is then impossible to give the Browns franchise the 100% time / dedication / passion and $ we deserve! Look at what has happened to the Buc's and then look at manchester united? This brown out will get media attention I guess, what you need are banners made and chants going directed at who you believe is responsible for this mess. Or this would take alot to do as we are so passionate- but not buy tickets. I think we are far to loyal to a point for our own good when we can clearly see there is a problem which needs solving for the better of the Browns. Its a good job there is no relegation/promotion in the NFL. As under this front office / leadership the Browns would have vanished off the face of the earth. I am with the fans that say the best way forward is for Lerner to sell the Browns and lets get things sorted from the roots up as he has no clue. Right thats my rant over I am going to sleep tonights night out off now. |
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I'm not going to the game, but I'd heed the Brown Out call. (This is the first year I'm not going to ANY games in a long time, by the way).
The whole point of the Brown Out is to say "THAT'S IT! We've had enough, we're tired of losing, tired of getting our hearts broken and being led on into a sinkhole!" I mean, come on now, we've sold out every game since the team returned in '99 and have very little to show for it. It's a public declaration to the rest of the country on national TV saying that we're not going to sit idly by and watch a train wreck occur before our eyes. By God, we're going to DO something about it, and that's what this is all about. To use a line from Thomas Jefferson: "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." The "tree of liberty" in this case is obviously the Browns organization itself, which is larger than any one player, coach, or any individual. In fact, it is an entity given life solely by us. I don't have to tell you that we're bleeding orange and brown every Sunday that we lose in horrible fashion. By protesting, we intend to draw blood from Lerner and the executives. God help them if they don't bleed orange and brown like we do. ==================== 100% Absolut Dawg since '89! |
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Exactly...just what are all the "fans" in the concourse going to be doing... buying beverages and food...lining Lerner's pockets. Doesn't make any sense. Until we season ticket holders stop paying the big bucks for this stuff, things will never change. I will not go to the game. My two seats can remain empty the entire game. I will not support Lerner with any type of money for food or otherwise until this team is NFL caliber once again! |
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Posted October 31, 2009 01:45 PM Hide Post
is this the current thread on this? sorry I didn't look everywhere so I will post here I sort of agree. I hate to see them lose too but demoralizing the players on a national telecast is not the way to go. People aren't losing on purpose, they want to win too. They just don't seem to know how. It's a sissy response I admit, but I think this boycott being KNOWN of nationally is enough. Point made point taken. Want to burn them? Buy no merch for a while. Just the basic soda and peanuts you need to get through the game. Drink up beforehand. But be seated at kickoff time, that's when the game still undecided and exciting. I always hated being late and missing kickoffs, that's my favorite time. |
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I like the idea to re-unify the fans that we are indeed 'the organization'. An owner, a GM, a HC surely helps in the definition of an organization, but they won't exist without the fans.
We the fans, the organization, have the power to make things happen. The power of our efforts during the Brown-out will just speak volumes of what we could do if we wanted to resort to it. I believe this Brown-out will be a very nice stepping stone to getting our franchise back on track. We are unselfishly loyal for our colors, this is good; however, we are losing the battle by allowing our franchise to lose year in and year out. A simple act of protesting shows we demand change. This is good. bc OUT |
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I've read this with interest and agree that DawgPound Mikey is just a goofus.
I see where some have brought up the issue of purchasing products,merchandise, tickets etc. and I would encourage anyone that's attending to inquire of the ushers as to where the concessions stands that are manned by civic and charitable organizations and buy only from them so that your money goes to a good cause and not to RL I know, I know it would be long waits if every one really did it but the gesture would be in the right place. I also feel that it when the team's down that they need your help. Hell anyone can cheer when they're winning real fans cheer when they're behind. This protest is some what misplaced. It needs to be directed straight at Randy Learner and where ever his office(s) are located. GO BROWNS!!!! |
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After reading these posts, I predict the brown out will backfire big time. A small minority will be so brave to miss the opening kickoff (wow, what a sacrifice, I'm sure RL will come crawling to you for forgiveness) but it's going to fire up everyone else. I feel sorry for the goons who will be setup like gestapo around the stadium trying to convince others not to go in. They will be tossed to the side, literally.
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This protest will mean nothing. All they gone be doing is embarrassing Cleveland by standing like idiots. I mean come on. If you wanna "protest" don't buy a ticket. You will be supporting them once they take your ticket and you walk through.
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The protest is part of the "process".
********************************************************************* “We want to win immediately. To say you're building is an incomplete sentence. ... You're building for a future coach and general manager.” - Marv Levy |
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It's about time we protested. It's LOOOOONG over due. And I think we shouldn't go to the games. Let Lerner know how we feel. We love our team and our city but why should we endure this week after week? Season after season? To sit inside and boo is nuts. If you want us to support the team then give us something to support.
I feel like the management of this team just simply doesn't care at all how we fans truely feel. I feel they just sit back in their ivory tower and get caluses on their thumbs from counting all the money they count as we shell out our hard earned money for a inferior product. Meanwhile they laugh and they laugh. Like the saying goes "There's a sucker born every minute." Get a clue Mr. Lerner. You can't win real football games while sitting in merry ol' England. Cheerio for now Governor. |
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The Brown-Out is good - the paper bags is ridiculous and makes the fans appear that way. The guys in the pound have it all going on. Show support, but also show your concern. Boycott the first quarter. Maybe the Browns will respond. |
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Yes to directed to RL but this is a good protest if everyone gets on-board. If at worst the Dawg Pound is empty - that begins it. The Monday Night is the perfect night to do this. Asking the ushers direct questions, um, I'm sure you'll get good direct answers. Post your findings. |
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Fat chance! At that time, you are already supporting them. Don't waste your time. |
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There is only 1 team getting rebuilt here and its not the Browns.
$84 million - buys Aston Villa! $13 million builds new villa training facility! $47 million spent on players alone this summer! ------------------------------------------------ That's chump change to what he has invested into the Browns in the last few since Al Pops Lerner passed away. First off, rule out the $84 mil he spent on buying Alston Villa. Buying isn't "rebuilding". He was allowed to buy them, no? Now try real hard to remember all the FA's Savage brought in. You also do realize he's paying Phil Savage, Romeo Crennell, George Kokinis, and Eric Mangini their salaries right now, don't you? You do realize that if he cans Kokinis and Mangini and goes with 2 new guys he'll be paying 6 guys as in 3 Head Coaches and 3 GMs, or in simpler terms, 3 football teams worth of Head Coaches and GMs, don't you? There's no doubt in my mind he'll do it but.....it just wouldn't be enough for fans like you now would it. MNFs Don Meredith on Fair Hooker: "I never met one". "Badges"? "Badges"? "We don't have to show you any stinking badges". |
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My God, you couldn't make this stuff up...this is bad. Browns fan 0-16 or undefeated |
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I just don't see how this will make things better. The protestors goal is to make the owner look bad and have Espn and other talking heads hate on Lerner.
NewsFlash, The only time they talk about us is when they are laughing at us or picking the other team to beat us. So, let's give them more ammo to laugh at us. Makes more sense to me that these guys want their 15 minutes of fame. Go catch 85 in Cincy's endzone Mike, I'll buy your seats in a heartbeat. |
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Excerpts from an email I sent to Dawg Pound Mike regarding the Brown Out:
I am a 37 year old Browns fan living in Toronto, Canada, who loves Browns football and has followed the team for as long as I can remember. I grew up in southern Ontario hearing stories about Jim Brown and the old Browns teams from my father. My parents would take my brother and I to a game in Cleveland once a year, and for a kid to be in the middle of the old stadium with 80,000 fans cheering on the Dawgs or Kardiac Kids, it was certainly an awesome experience. These days, I have Sunday Ticket at home, and season tickets in the Upper Dawg Pound, so I watch all the games and make it to a few in person. So as a passionate and disappointed fan, I read of your plans for the Brown Out on Nov 16 with interest. I agree with you that the team needs to be aware that, while we are loyal, we are not there to fill the coffers of an organization if it is not committed to continuous improvement and winning. I do believe Randy Lerner cares about the team and the fans, and do not believe that he is the problem. I do not have an issue with him shying away from media attention and not meddling in team (how quickly some fans forget Art Modell...), and appreciate his willingness to commit resources to the team. I hope that he is capable of putting a management structure in place that can guide the organization to victory. With respect to the protest, I have some observations/suggestions. Leaving the stadium empty at kickoff is an idea worthy of consideration, but it has its shortcomings. First, many fans are late getting to their seats anyway, so the contrast may not be as intended. Second, there will be fans there for whom it will be their first live Browns experience, and that is something they should have a great atmosphere for, whether or not the team is terrible... Third, I do not want the only fans in the place at the opening kickoff to be ones wearing purple and black. Fourth, you may miss seeing a Josh Cribbs TD, and perhaps the only bright spot of the game... I would propose that instead of boycotting the opening kickoff, all the fans at the game could turn their backs to the field during any Baltimore conversion attempt. That would be a very visible signal, and one that would have minimal effect on the fan experience and support of the team on the field (of course, they need all the help they can get...). |
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If you were smart what so ever you would burn your tickets and forget about even going at all !!!
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He probably got tired of waiting for a Brown to score to be able to jump into the Dawg Pound. That said, I do not believe in the "brown-out". I say the Browns fans should go out there and make noise. Non-stop! |
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From Atlanta here,
Do you realize that you (Browns fans) have a chance to make NFL history...? The day the fans took back their team... This will strike a cord with the Browns (and NFL) that they can't ignore. Fans drive the sport, just look at the WNBA. You pay their bills and you have a right to be heard. You have a right to say "OUR TEAM S*CKS" "OUR GAME PLAN IS WRONG"! Show up late to the MNF game and you will change your team, for better or worst it will change. Just 30 min of your life to be part of NFL history. Sit in your car and listen to the game, or hangout at the stadiums bar or whatever for 30 min after kick-off and when you die and move on people will still talk about that day as long as football is played. The Redskins have banned their fans opinion already. You can make a stand... or You can show up on time and it will only be another MNF game and just another regular day in your life. |
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Got what they wanted didn't they!!!!! LOL
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not really...and if they did, why still do it? They got appeased IMO- they wanted other things to which I totally agre with...just would have done it differently Forget hope! Show me some HEART! |
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I am fine with the brownout, whatever they call it. Why not? This only gets media attention before it happens because its the Browns fans doing it. All we have ever been known to do is sellout stadiums regardless of the performance. We are losing a whole new generation of Browns fans because of this poor play. My kids want nothing to do with the Browns, no matter how much I preach. Protesst.....good
My standards are pretty low, so I am never dissappointed. |
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Grow a pair and skip the kickoff. When ESPN pans the stadium and its empty, it will say something. It wont embarrass the players or the city, but it will embarass the people who cant put a quality product on the field.
Also, its not like you're abandoning the team (you'll be in your seats 2 minutes later), but you are sending a message and showing the national media that Cleveland fans are fed up. I would support protesting the entire game, but I understand that there are too many fans that will watch live, in their seats, regardless. Seriously, what other wide-scale chance are you going to get to say something to the organization while the whole country is watching?? |
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they fired someone and got brady back in. lol. We are contenders now......no need to boycott
probowl LT, NT, KR, WR, LS, QB*. And we are here still |
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You can have and put in all the money in the world, but if you dont know what you are doing with it and what you want it is pointless. George Kokinis gone already |
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i agree with everything that you said except the part about letting Mangini run this train. I would be more patient and content to wait for somebody like Cowher to build his team because he is a proven winner. Pay him the money he wanted in the first place and let him build a dominant physical winning Dynasty. Too much trouble and baggage associated with Mangini in just his first year, this guy cannot be trusted. |
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Yeah, that will show them. 
"I just spent $200 on tickets and food but, i won't sit down for the first 5 minutes" LMAO. A real protest is not buying tickets at all.